Has Any Ramsey Defender Ever Given an Explanation for the Pineapple?

  • #661
Ok, I need how many small deer heads???

-Corner of a dresser-
-mag-lite-
-golf club-
-baseball bat-
-spiral staircase-
-faucet in bathroom-
-side of tub in bathroom-
-ag doll head-
-mt doll head-
-headboard of bed-

???:confused:???

(This may label me a Nutcase for Life.)

Don't worry, we'll tell everyone you did it for science... just like coloradokares. lol
 
  • #662
OMG! :crazy: Coloradokares, You receive the Most Dedicated Sleuther Purple Heart Award for your injury in the line of sleuthing...

Thank you thank you very much!!
 
  • #663
CK, I am very sorry for laughing...but....:laugh:that is funny. Not that you broke your toe, and lost your toenail...I am sorry for that. BUT...the way you told your story was .....priceless. I don't even know what you look like, but I can just imagine you taking down that maglight (I almost typed magpie for some reason)...to swing it at a pumpkin. Were you going to see if if left a triangular hole?? You get an A + for effort.

Obviously this was not one of my more stellar moments. I had the pumpkins for the baking of pies. The small childs head size. Who can explain how the mind works....
 
  • #664
One more thing it did capital D damage to my toe!!!!!

It never did cure me of running abound barefoot. I could not wear shoes for a long time.
 
  • #665
obviously this was not one of my more stellar moments. I had the pumpkins for the baking of pies. The small childs head size. Who can explain how the mind works....

lol!!!
 
  • #666
One more thing it did capital D damage to my toe!!!!!

It never did cure me of running abound barefoot. I could not wear shoes for a long time.

I salute you.

SD, if you were willing to test a stungun, this 'myth buster' would be a lot less painful...

Already did, Ames! Tested it on me! Several times. What a glutton for punishment I am.
 
  • #667
I agree; I'd forgotten that it was fresh pineapple (rather than canned).

In that case, I think it's possible that JonBenet did something she knew her mother would regard as naughty: she took one of those sealable containers of fresh pineapple up to her bedroom up to a few days before she died.

The night she was killed, I theorise she was put to bed and then woke up after everyone else had gone to sleep. She was all excited because she thought she was going to get a special visit from Santa, so she takes the pineapple downstairs with her, put it in a bowl, eats a few pieces herself. Lots of families make a big deal out of putting a snack out for Santa--it's a common and traditional thing to do.

"Santa" comes in and finds her, wipes the bowl and spoon clean.

During the chaotic morning that followed, both Patsy and Burke handled the bowl and/or spoon (depending on where their prints were found) but don't recall doing so. There were people coming in and out, they were trying to do a dozen things at once and they were what the military calls "task saturated." Meaning there was so much going on that they were no longer remembering events accurately.

If the intruder brought the pineapple (which I don't regard as highly likely) the only motive I can think of would be to use it to drug JonBenet, knowing that she liked it.

Who would know JonBenet liked pineapple? Well, her family, obviously. But there were people outside the family who could know or find out--she was a cute little girl, I can easily imagine her telling someone hired to do yardwork that she liked pineapple or someone helping with the remodelling or, really, anyone she came into contact with.

Kids are usually either very quiet or very outgoing with strangers, not many in the middle. I think going to pageants taught JonBenet to be unusually outgoing and "sparkly" with strange adults and perhaps overly trusting.

"I mean, JonBenet was a smart, strong little girl. And if she had the opportunity to scream and to kick and fight, she would have done that. No question in my mind. So I don't buy that, you know, an intruder sat her down and fed her pineapple." John Ramsey, June 23, 1998
 
  • #668
"I mean, JonBenet was a smart, strong little girl. And if she had the opportunity to scream and to kick and fight, she would have done that. No question in my mind. So I don't buy that, you know, an intruder sat her down and fed her pineapple." John Ramsey, June 23, 1998

Wah wah wah!
 
  • #669
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Already did, Ames! Tested it on me! Several times. What a glutton for punishment I am.

It was me, "angelwngs", not "Ames" and I know you tested a stungun. That's why I said that.

What fruit, vegetable would most simulate a 5 year old child's skull?

How would a crime scene investigator try to replicate JBR's injury to her skull, by test various weapons to determine which one could cause similar injury without breaking the skin on her scalp?

I remember a pig being discussed as being very close to human in some respect. Do you remember that discussion and what it was about?
 
  • #670
http://www.tulane.edu/~sbc2003/pdfdocs/1161.PDF

"Histologically, the fetal calf skull is more

like a four-year old child than a neonatal child"

Anyone live close to a farm where a calf might be still-born, a taxidermy for a young deer or a veal meat packing plant?

....Got a mag-lite flashlight?

SD, if you were willing to test a stungun, this 'myth buster' would be a lot less painful...

We have a mag-lite, I'm thinking of where I can get a skull...

How long was the flashlight? Any records?

I remember JR saying 'his' he thought was smaller than the one in the picture that they showed him, but I don't remember seeing the exact size of the flashlight...

(You all realize that hubby is going to freak out and call the men in white coats to take me away if he comes home and sees me hitting a deer head w/ his mag-lite!)





:laugh:Tell him you got hired by Mythbusters!
 
  • #671
I remember a pig being discussed as being very close to human in some respect. Do you remember that discussion and what it was about?

Mythbusters use pig flesh all the time, especially in the tattoo episode!
 
  • #672
  • #673
snip~

It was me, "angelwngs", not "Ames" and I know you tested a stungun. That's why I said that.

What fruit, vegetable would most simulate a 5 year old child's skull?

How would a crime scene investigator try to replicate JBR's injury to her skull, by test various weapons to determine which one could cause similar injury without breaking the skin on her scalp?

I remember a pig being discussed as being very close to human in some respect. Do you remember that discussion and what it was about?

Oh, my! Does anybody have a glass of water? I need to wash the taste of foot out of my mouth!

I didn't mean anything by it, angelwngs. I get confused myself! Like I said, nobody's perfect!

Okay, now that I've groveled enough...

Fruit or vegetable? Well, watermelon is the exact tensile strength of human flesh, but that wouldn't account for the bone underneath.

As to how the experiment to replicate the head wound, I'll give you what I know about Werner Spitz's attempt. He took a skull and hit it with a rubber-coated Maglite.

The discussions about pigs were in reference to the stun gun marks.
 
  • #674
SD,

What was Spitz's conclusion? Could he replicate the wound with the maglite?

The part that bothers me is that the scalp was not cut or damaged enough to bleed but the skull had a triangular hole and the 8 inch fracture. I want to test both... What object could do that much damage to the skull, especially the triangular hole, without breaking the scalp???
 
  • #675
Angelwngs, Dr. Spitz claimed that the maglite produced a wound almost identical. He said the lens end fit the hole in JB's skull perfectly.

Well, Maglite can be extremely heavy, because they're so heavily reinforced to be tough, like on their commercials. If there was some kind of padding involved...
 
  • #676
Angelwngs, Dr. Spitz claimed that the maglite produced a wound almost identical. He said the lens end fit the hole in JB's skull perfectly.

Well, Maglite can be extremely heavy, because they're so heavily reinforced to be tough, like on their commercials. If there was some kind of padding involved...

Thank You, SD! (..and yes, our maglite is seriously heavy)

Hubby said to tell you all that he is thankful that he will not be 'required by marriage' to dispose of calf heads due to Dr. Spitz's findings and to SD's excellent memory!
 
  • #677
Hey, I'm a superhero. Helping's my business.
 
  • #678
I have a regular rubber coated flashlight,and a maglite...but do mags come rubbercoated as well? if so, can that cover be removed?
 
  • #679
"I mean, JonBenet was a smart, strong little girl. And if she had the opportunity to scream and to kick and fight, she would have done that. No question in my mind. So I don't buy that, you know, an intruder sat her down and fed her pineapple." John Ramsey, June 23, 1998

Maybe she was too dehydrated to scream? lol

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)
 
  • #680
As to how the experiment to replicate the head wound, I'll give you what I know about Werner Spitz's attempt. He took a skull and hit it with a rubber-coated Maglite.

Is a "hit" the same as a dropping from a long distance???

I'd think angle & velocity would play a part in the outcome.

But still, the absence of skin breakage is curious.


Here's a thought..... a golf club usually is put into a bag AFTER some time of protective cover has been placed on the head.

I'm not a golfer.... which clubs, if any, might have caused the same size/shape fracture that was found on JB's skull?
 

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