Has Any Ramsey Defender Ever Given an Explanation for the Pineapple?

[UKGuy]

Their was a tupperware container in JonBenet's room; but given that BPD was incompetent, no one knows what was in it or why it was there.

HTH

Wudge,
There were a lot of things in JonBenet's room, and stuff not accounted for e.g. her pajamas.

So why bother about a tupperware container, when you do not know if JonBenet ever made it to her bed that night. She may have been in Burke's bed or the one upstairs prior to being brutally asphyxiated and whacked about the head.

If it really concerns you , then write or email to Lou Smit, he is the person that elevated the tupperware container from the mundane to evidence of import, bearing in mind his IDI theory now has the status of a Hansel and Gretel Fairy Tale!


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[Wudge]

Wudge,
There were a lot of things in JonBenet's room, and stuff not accounted for e.g. her pajamas.

So why bother about a tupperware container, when you do not know if JonBenet ever made it to her bed that night. She may have been in Burke's bed or the one upstairs prior to being brutally asphyxiated and whacked about the head.

If it really concerns you , then write or email to Lou Smit, he is the person that elevated the tupperware container from the mundane to evidence of import, bearing in mind his IDI theory now has the status of a Hansel and Gretel Fairy Tale!


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The tupperware is relevant, because fresh cut pineapple is sold in it.

More importantly, I'm not concerned about the case. I'm not concerned about John Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Burke Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Patsy Ramsey. She has passed on. I'm not concerned about the Ramsey family. They have been exonerated.

Rather, as a decent human being, I'm bothered because the McCarthy style attacks on the family continue despite overwhelming evidence that supports their proper exoneration. Yet people just toss aside clear and convincing evidence that supports reasonable doubt and latch onto a miniscule mouse fart or two so they can continue to villify one or more of the Ramseys online.

Appropriately, I am greatly reminded of the interchange between Senator Joseph McCarty and attorney Josepn Welch during a hearing of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations for Communist activities.

Senator McCarthy: I refer to the record, Mr. Chairman...to the news story on that.

Mr. Welch: Mr. Chairman. Under these circumstances, I must myself have something approaching a personal privilege.

Senator Mundt: You may have, sir --

Mr. Welch: Senator McCarthy, I did not know, Senator -- Senator, sometimes you say may I have your attention --

Senator McCarthy: I'm listening....

Mr. Welch: May I have your attention?

Senator McCarthy: I can listen with one ear and talk with --

Mr. Welch: No, this time, sir, I want you to listen with both. Senator McCarthy, I think until this moment --

Senator McCarthy: -- Good. Just a minute. Jim, Jim, will you get the news story to the effect that this man belongs to the -- to this Communist front organization....

Mr. Welch: I will tell you that he belonged to it.

Senator McCarthy: Jim, will you get the citation, one of the citations showing that this was the legal arm of the Communist Party, and the length of time that he belonged, and the fact that he was recommended by Mr. Welch. I think that should be in the record....

Mr. Welch: Senator, you won't need anything in the record when I finish telling you this. Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty, or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us. When I decided to work for this Committee, I asked Jim St. Clair, who sits on my right, to be my first assistant. I said to Jim, "Pick somebody in the firm to work under you that you would like." He chose Fred Fisher, and they came down on an afternoon plane. That night, when we had taken a little stab at trying to see what the case is about, Fred Fisher and Jim St. Clair and I went to dinner together. I then said to these two young men, "Boys, I don't know anything about you, except I've always liked you, but if there's anything funny in the life of either one of you that would hurt anybody in this case, you speak up quick."
And Fred Fisher said, "Mr. Welch, when I was in the law school, and for a period of months after, I belonged to the Lawyers' Guild," as you have suggested, Senator. He went on to say, "I am Secretary of the Young Republican's League in Newton with the son of [the] Massachusetts governor, and I have the respect and admiration of my community, and I'm sure I have the respect and admiration of the twenty-five lawyers or so in Hale & Dorr." And I said, "Fred, I just don't think I'm going to ask you to work on the case. If I do, one of these days that will come out, and go over national television, and it will just hurt like the dickens." And so, Senator, I asked him to go back to Boston. Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty, I would do so. I like to think I'm a gentle man, but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.

Senator McCarthy: Mr. Chairman, may I say that Mr. Welch talks about this being cruel and reckless. He was just baiting. He has been baiting Mr. Cohn here for hours, requesting that Mr. Cohn before sundown get out of any department of the government anyone who is serving the Communist cause. Now, I just give this man's record and I want to say, Mr. Welch, that it had been labeled long before he became a member, as early as 1944 --
Mr. Welch: Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers' Guild.

Senator McCarthy: Let me finish....

Mr. Welch: And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn?

Mr. Cohn: No, sir.

Mr. Welch: I meant to do you no personal injury.

Mr. Cohn: No, sir.

Mr. Welch: And if I did, I beg your pardon. Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator.

Senator McCarthy: Let's, let's --

Mr. Welch: You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

 

[robotdog]

The tupperware is relevant, because fresh cut pineapple is sold in it.

More importantly, I'm not concerned about the case. I'm not concerned about John Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Burke Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Patsy Ramsey. She has passed on. I'm not concerned about the Ramsey family. They have been exonerated.

Rather, as a decent human being, I'm bothered because the McCarthy style attacks on the family continue despite overwhelming evidence that supports their proper exoneration. Yet people just toss aside clear and convincing evidence that supports reasonable doubt and latch onto a miniscule mouse fart or two so they can continue to villify one or more of the Ramseys online.

Appropriately, I am greatly reminded of the interchange between Senator Joseph McCarty and attorney Josepn Welch during a hearing of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations for Communist activities.

Senator McCarthy: I refer to the record, Mr. Chairman...to the news story on that.

Mr. Welch: Mr. Chairman. Under these circumstances, I must myself have something approaching a personal privilege.

Senator Mundt: You may have, sir --

Mr. Welch: Senator McCarthy, I did not know, Senator -- Senator, sometimes you say may I have your attention --

Senator McCarthy: I'm listening....

Mr. Welch: May I have your attention?

Senator McCarthy: I can listen with one ear and talk with --

Mr. Welch: No, this time, sir, I want you to listen with both. Senator McCarthy, I think until this moment --

Senator McCarthy: -- Good. Just a minute. Jim, Jim, will you get the news story to the effect that this man belongs to the -- to this Communist front organization....

Mr. Welch: I will tell you that he belonged to it.

Senator McCarthy: Jim, will you get the citation, one of the citations showing that this was the legal arm of the Communist Party, and the length of time that he belonged, and the fact that he was recommended by Mr. Welch. I think that should be in the record....

Mr. Welch: Senator, you won't need anything in the record when I finish telling you this. Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty, or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us. When I decided to work for this Committee, I asked Jim St. Clair, who sits on my right, to be my first assistant. I said to Jim, "Pick somebody in the firm to work under you that you would like." He chose Fred Fisher, and they came down on an afternoon plane. That night, when we had taken a little stab at trying to see what the case is about, Fred Fisher and Jim St. Clair and I went to dinner together. I then said to these two young men, "Boys, I don't know anything about you, except I've always liked you, but if there's anything funny in the life of either one of you that would hurt anybody in this case, you speak up quick."
And Fred Fisher said, "Mr. Welch, when I was in the law school, and for a period of months after, I belonged to the Lawyers' Guild," as you have suggested, Senator. He went on to say, "I am Secretary of the Young Republican's League in Newton with the son of [the] Massachusetts governor, and I have the respect and admiration of my community, and I'm sure I have the respect and admiration of the twenty-five lawyers or so in Hale & Dorr." And I said, "Fred, I just don't think I'm going to ask you to work on the case. If I do, one of these days that will come out, and go over national television, and it will just hurt like the dickens." And so, Senator, I asked him to go back to Boston. Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty, I would do so. I like to think I'm a gentle man, but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.

Senator McCarthy: Mr. Chairman, may I say that Mr. Welch talks about this being cruel and reckless. He was just baiting. He has been baiting Mr. Cohn here for hours, requesting that Mr. Cohn before sundown get out of any department of the government anyone who is serving the Communist cause. Now, I just give this man's record and I want to say, Mr. Welch, that it had been labeled long before he became a member, as early as 1944 --
Mr. Welch: Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers' Guild.

Senator McCarthy: Let me finish....

Mr. Welch: And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn?

Mr. Cohn: No, sir.

Mr. Welch: I meant to do you no personal injury.

Mr. Cohn: No, sir.

Mr. Welch: And if I did, I beg your pardon. Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator.

Senator McCarthy: Let's, let's --

Mr. Welch: You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

 

[magnolia]

Putting aside the question of whether she even ATE any pineapple...

we still have Patsy denying that those things should have been on the table at all.

And didn't she also say, they didn't even HAVE any pineapple in the house.


It's GOT to be a mystery intruder who came into the house.... bringing his own pineapple BUT using the Ramsey's bowl, spoon & glass for the snack.

Yeah! He brought his own pineapple, but winged the ransom novel at the Ramsey home:crazy:

SuperDave you friggin' rock! You answered all his questions.

But the very bottom line here, Wudge, is that Patsy claimed to not have any pineapple in her home at that time. And NO I'm not going to give you a link, do your own work. If you had read any of the interviews you would already know this FACT.

BTW they both tried to say she would sit down with Santa and eat pineapple.

she bought it at saveway,already cut.

I'm confused!!

A couple of posters on this thread posted that Patsy stated there was not any pineapple in the house.

JMO, You posted that Patsy bought it from Saveway, already cut.

Help me out here. What exactly did Patsy have to say in regards to pineapple being in the house?

Anyone have a link to the true and correct statement by Patsy regarding Pineapple in the house?

 

[Solace]

The tupperware is relevant, because fresh cut pineapple is sold in it.

More importantly, I'm not concerned about the case. I'm not concerned about John Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Burke Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Patsy Ramsey. She has passed on. I'm not concerned about the Ramsey family. They have been exonerated.

Rather, as a decent human being, I'm bothered because the McCarthy style attacks on the family continue despite overwhelming evidence that supports their proper exoneration. Yet people just toss aside clear and convincing evidence that supports reasonable doubt and latch onto a miniscule mouse fart

I'm concerned about your color descriptions of what is being latched on to. If you want to be taken seriously, you should probably pick a better description.

And the evidence against the Ramseys is more along the lines of circumstantial to the point of conviction - and they would have been most certainly separated and interrogated THAT DAY AND EVENING if had they been arrested in a fair and balanced place unlike Boulder.

 

[LI_Mom]

I'm confused!!

A couple of posters on this thread posted that Patsy stated there was not any pineapple in the house.

JMO, You posted that Patsy bought it from Saveway, already cut.

Which is it?? What exactly did Patsy have to say about Pineapple being in the house?

I'm also confused....


As far as I knew... Patsy said she didn't even have any pineapple in the house & she had NO IDEA how it could have gotten there.

And she said the bowl, spoon & glass were NOT on the table when they went to bed.

She's sure these are important clues that point to an intruder.


Not a big deal.... except she also didn't recognize or outright said they do NOT belong in this house:

the flashlight
the baseball bat
the Santa Bear
footprint from a Hi-Tec shoe

 

[LI_Mom]

The tupperware is relevant, because fresh cut pineapple is sold in it.

More importantly, I'm not concerned about the case. I'm not concerned about John Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Burke Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Patsy Ramsey. She has passed on. I'm not concerned about the Ramsey family. They have been exonerated.

Rather, as a decent human being, I'm bothered because the McCarthy style attacks on the family continue despite overwhelming evidence that supports their proper exoneration. Yet people just toss aside clear and convincing evidence that supports reasonable doubt and latch onto a miniscule mouse fart

I'm concerned about your color descriptions of what is being latched on to. If you want to be taken seriously, you should probably pick a better description.

And the evidence against the Ramseys is more along the lines of circumstantial to the point of conviction - and they would have been most certainly separated and interrogated THAT DAY AND EVENING if had they been arrested in a fair and balanced place unlike Boulder.

Solace, do you know if it was an actual Tupperware container or was it a disposal type container they use in supermarkets?

 

[Solace]

I'm confused!!

A couple of posters on this thread posted that Patsy stated there was not any pineapple in the house.

JMO, You posted that Patsy bought it from Saveway, already cut.

Help me out here. What exactly did Patsy have to say in regards to pineapple being in the house?

Anyone have a link to the true and correct statement by Patsy regarding Pineapple in the house?

Patsy said she bought pineapple with the rind on it and that it did not last very long. She does not know how the pineapple got there and she said she never would have used such a large spoon nor would the children. She also said she never would have used the bowl as it was for display; however, she did use the bowls for the christmas party two days prior and they were not for display then. She was never questioned about that.

As far as using a large spoon, that is more than likely what a child would pick, wanting as much as she could get - her eyes being bigger than her stomach - imo, it is totally in line with what a child would do.

Also, Magnolia, a very good book is the book of depositions of Patsy and John put out by the National Enquirer. To look at the front of the book, it looks shear tabloid, but it is only the interviews of them in 1997 and some in 2000 and she speaks of the pineapple, etc.

 

[Medea]

Patsy said she bought pineapple with the rind on it and that it did not last very long. She does not know how the pineapple got there and she said she never would have used such a large spoon nor would the children. She also said she never would have used the bowl as it was for display; however, she did use the bowls for the christmas party two days prior and they were not for display then. She was never questioned about that.

As far as using a large spoon, that is more than likely what a child would pick, wanting as much as she could get - her eyes being bigger than her stomach - imo, it is totally in line with what a child would do.

And this is why people reasonably suspect that Patsy Ramsey was a fruitcake and a liar.

She knows her 6 year old daughter would "never" have used such a spoon, ergo the spoon and the bowl are evidence of an intruder...

Again, the pineapple would be a total non issue if it wasn't for Patsy Ramsey's obvious lies and extremely unlikely opinion that a pedophile killer served her daughter a bowl of pineapple from the fridge but he used the wrong spoon and bowl...

I can only imagine what the Boulder PD must have thought of a woman who appears to be lying about the most mundane of issues.

 

[Solace]

Solace, do you know if it was an actual Tupperware container or was it a disposal type container they use in supermarkets?

Hi LI Mom,

I don't know. Sorry.

 

[Solace]

Wudge,
There were a lot of things in JonBenet's room, and stuff not accounted for e.g. her pajamas.

So why bother about a tupperware container, when you do not know if JonBenet ever made it to her bed that night. She may have been in Burke's bed or the one upstairs prior to being brutally asphyxiated and whacked about the head.

If it really concerns you , then write or email to Lou Smit, he is the person that elevated the tupperware container from the mundane to evidence of import, bearing in mind his IDI theory now has the status of a Hansel and Gretel Fairy Tale!




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Yeah, keep that in mind at all times when dealing with Lou Smit.

 

[LI_Mom]

Hi LI Mom,

I don't know. Sorry.

Thanks.


IMO, I suspect Patsy was very condescending & belligerent with investigators early on & that set the tone for how they looked at the Ramseys.

We saw this when they appeared on CNN... she sounded less like a frightened or grieving mother & much more like someone who was confrontational.

Patsy really was her own worst enemy.... guilty or not she sure ACTED guilty from the very beginning.... with a LOT of encouragement from the lawyers who gave them AWFUL advise.

That's why I have no sympathy for the Ramseys... if they're guilty OR innocent... they brought the negative reactions/treatment on themselves.

 

[Ames]

i wish the police would have check for prints on the tea bag

the bag usually has string and a little piece of paper to pull it out of the bag

prints were on the bowl, they were probably on the tea bag

:biggrin:

Burke's fingerprints were found on the tea glass, for some reason. I couldn't imagine a nine year old drinking hot tea.

 

[Ames]

don't know if this has been mention ...

ok couldn't she have just eaten it as a midnight snack? my little sister was quite mischievous and was lurking around the kitchen looking for late night snacks at the age of 2 or 3. all by herself. makes sense a 6 year old could then?

and in that case -- could the intruder have found her when she was in the kitchen getting her snack? or right after she ate?

i don't know the facts about this case too well ... so tell me if this is impossible !!!!

Well, Patsy's prints...not JB's or an intruders...were on the pineapple bowl. And John was questioned about this in his 98 interview..and said that she was scared to go down to the kitchen at night, by herself, so she had NEVER done that in the past.

 

[Solace]

Burke's fingerprints were found on the tea glass, for some reason. I couldn't imagine a nine year old drinking hot tea.

Its possible though. I've been in homes where kids have coffee. Does he deny having the tea, do you know?

 

[Solace]

Burke's fingerprints were found on the tea glass, for some reason. I couldn't imagine a nine year old drinking hot tea.

They do sometimes though Ames; I have seen children drink coffee. So Berke has his tea and there is pineapple there and he says he knows nothing but hearing noises that night. He has to know that Patsy said she did not give anyone pineapple and does not know how it got there. So Berke is lying again; he lied about her walking in - we know she did; John said he removed her jacket on the bed and it was found in the car. Get the shrinks ready because Berke is going to need them or a rehab - thats for sho.

 

[Ames]

<<SNIPPED>>
There is a picture of the bowl out there somewhere, and the spoon is a small one, and there is cream in the bowl, that was how JonBenet liked her pineapple.


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You are right, I have seen that picture. I THINK that its on www.acandyrose.com but, I am not positive. The pineapple spoon is the size of the teabag, it looks like a teaspoon.

 

[Ames]

They do sometimes though Ames; I have seen children drink coffee. So Berke has his tea and there is pineapple there and he says he knows nothing but hearing noises that night. He has to know that Patsy said she did not give anyone pineapple and does not know how it got there. So Berke is lying again; he lied about her walking in - we know she did; John said he removed her jacket on the bed and it was found in the car. Get the shrinks ready because Berke is going to need them or a rehab - thats for sho.

Yeah, I know they do...its just hard to imagine. And Patsy said that JB hated tea, so it wasn't hers. I believe that Burke sat down with his tea, and JB sat down with her pineapple bowl, that her mom placed on the table.

 

[Solace]

Yeah, I know they do...its just hard to imagine. And Patsy said that JB hated tea, so it wasn't hers. I believe that Burke sat down with his tea, and JB sat down with her pineapple bowl, that her mom placed on the table.

And ate the pineapple with her fingers, yes? No that is wrong if there were cream in the bowl, she would use a spoon.

 

[Solace]

You are right, I have seen that picture. I THINK that its on www.acandyrose.com but, I am not positive. The pineapple spoon is the size of the teabag, it looks like a teaspoon.

Oh, I thought Patsy said the bowl was too big and that they never would have taken a spoon that big?