Has Any Ramsey Defender Ever Given an Explanation for the Pineapple?

[Ames]

Wait, wait! Let me beat Wudge to the punchline...it's because.....(drum roll please) - HE'S A FRUITCAKE!

:Banane57:

I'm beginning to think he means it literally....:rolling:

LOL..yeah, I wonder if the investigators looked for any little pieces of that nasty fruit lying around? I HATE fruitcake! I think that actually there is just one of them in the world, and people just keep passing it around.

 

[Wudge]

LI Mom,

It's no use. Logic doesn't apply to people who think the Ramseys are innocent. You could have a video of the crime showing which Ramseys is guilty and it wouldn't matter.

Don't mean to insult the posters. Just their posts are illogical. Makes no sense.

The only thing that logically makes any sense is that it was a family member. In fact, it is a fairly easy case other than trying to figure out who did what that night. But to say it was one of the three inside that night is an easy conclusion. One that is supported by the evidence.

What is totally illogical is reasoning that LE could use the DNA evidence to clear suspects whose DNA did not match, but the D.A., Mary Lacy, could not use the same DNA evidence to clear the Ramseys whose DNA did not match either.

HTH

 

[Ames]

I'm just an IDI theorizer, and I can tell you what I believe the pineapple was all about.

It was about keeping JBR hydrated.

If (emphasis here is on the 'if') JBR was to be kidnapped and removed from the US, there would be problems facing her captors. There is evidence of captors coping with these problems all over the crime scene. JBR was redressed in long johns, suitable for transporting her in cold weather, correct? There was duct tape and wrist cord in place, suitable for moving her unwillingly from the house to a car, correct?

And there was pineapple. Some to be fed to JBR. and some already fed to JBR. The alternative, I suppose, would be to drive thru McDonalds for a Happy Meal??

As you can see it becomes more complicated when you start to include the facts of the case, instead of the claims. IOW, just because there were only PR's and BR's prints on the bowl doesn't mean the bowl wasn't owned by an intruder.

Hydrated? Yeah, I am sure that JB being hydrated was first on their list of priorities. How in the world would Patsy and Burke's fingerprints be on a bowl that belonged to the intruder?? Your theory, gets more complicated everytime I read one of your posts.

 

[Medea]

Thats almost as ridiculous as the RDI claims of parents who wrap their victim child up 'lovingly as only a parent would do', after sexually assaulting, garroting, and headbashing them. You're making fun of one of RDI's biggest claims, really, because an intruder can be fickle and suddenly assault and kill instead of kidnap, if they want.

:boohoo:

You will have to tell it to the FBI profiler who said the scene was staged and suggestive of a parent or loved one having been the killer.

I don't think a kidnapper turns into a pineapple feeding uncle and then into a pedophile and then into a murderer and then back into a loving uncle who wraps up the body in a blanket.

Kidnapper's kidnap. If they want to kidnap you for ransom, that's what they do, they grab the victim and get the victim to a secure place. Afterwards, they may assault, rape, torture and murder the victim, but first things first: you want a ransom you get control of the victim, you don't forget to write a ransom note, feed the victim pineapple, tote her around to various rooms and then all of a sudden have an unbearable urge to attack and kill her, then full of remorse, cover her up after redressing her.

 

[Medea]

What is totally illogical is reasoning that LE could use the DNA evidence to clear suspects whose DNA did not match, but the D.A., Mary Lacy, could not use the same DNA evidence to clear the Ramseys whose DNA did not match either.

HTH

My position is that the DNA does not exonerate or inculpate anyone since nobody knows whose DNA it is or how it got on the murder victim.

It might be the DNA of a fruitcake killer, it might be primary or secondary transfer and be from someone who could NOT have killed her. Nobody knows.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

It makes no sense.

Rewards? The object of the exercise was to KIDNAP her.... grab the little kid & leave.

You don't spend an extra second in an operation that is not essential... remember we are not dealing with amateurs.... this is a "small foreign faction" for crying out loud.

More rules.

Kidnapper rule no. 3: Kidnappers are required to 'grab & go.'
Kidnapper rule no. 4: Kidnappers are forbidden from spending extra seconds doing anyting that is not essential.

How can you ever have any free, original ideas with all these nonexistent 'rules'? You know they're imaginary, right?

 

[robotdog]

Hydrated? Yeah, I am sure that JB being hydrated was first on their list of priorities. How in the world would Patsy and Burke's fingerprints be on a bowl that belonged to the intruder?? Your theory, gets more complicated everytime I read one of your posts.

its CRAZY :bang:

 

[Ames]

I feel pretty stupid right now because I'm not sure if you're serious or being sarcastic - ? It's pretty funny one way or another....

Oh trust me ....Holdon is serious. Holdon believes that some foreign faction kidnapped JB, to be taken back to another country...and to be married. Oh, her ripe old age of 6 doesn't matter, because they were going to hold her captive until she reached the marrying age...whatever the heck that is. Even John and Patsy Ramsey didn't actually believe that it was an actual foreign faction...and they should know...since Patsy, with help from John...IMO...penned the RN.

 

[robotdog]

has there ever been in the history of kidnappings be a case like this where the "INTRUDER" kills and molests and leaves the child in the house in a different room

thanks, i didnt think so

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You will have to tell it to the FBI profiler who said the scene was staged and suggestive of a parent or loved one having been the killer.

Uh, that is really old news. Since then, cord fibers were found in JBR's bed, which debunks the whole basement staging theory. RDI clings to it anyway. YOU ask that FBI profiler what he thinks TODAY, now that cord fibers were found in the victim's bed, and the same DNA belonging to an unknown male was found in two conspicuous places in two forms on the victim's body.

 

[Ames]

Ah..thank you JMO8778 - I have a feeling 'HOH' will remain an enigma for me for the next while, though.

Can't wait 'till Wudge hears the pineapple as hydration theory!:rolling:

Now I know why Superdave said 'oh, boy' & hasn't posted since....

I actually had Holdon on my Ignore list for awhile. Now, I just skip over his/her posts...because they are just way to ridiculous.

 

[Ames]

Yes, the kidnappers would want to keep her hydrated & looking healthy to get her through security to fly her out. That'd be easy to get her through security in airports & into another country - here in the usa, they could just distract them because they're foreign -they'd have to deal with them & forget about the girl. And for those of you who think they could've just got a bottle of water - it's too expensive considering it's really just tap water.

Yes, holdontoyourhat, I see your point....

:bang:

:laugh: LOL...way too funny!

 

[LI_Mom]

More rules.

Kidnapper rule no. 3: Kidnappers are required to 'grab & go.'
Kidnapper rule no. 4: Kidnappers are forbidden from spending extra seconds doing anyting that is not essential.

How can you ever have any free, original ideas with all these nonexistent 'rules'? You know they're imaginary, right?

The Kidnapper rules are every bit as logical as the 'such nice parents would never kill their kid' rule.


The RN is what tells you the OBJECT of the game.... it's not our 'rules' we are going by it's the kidnapper's OWN rules that are being laid out.

Demand money. Kidnap kid.

 

[Medea]

Uh, that is really old news. Since then, cord fibers were found in JBR's bed, which debunks the whole basement staging theory. RDI clings to it anyway. YOU ask that FBI profiler what he thinks TODAY, now that cord fibers were found in the victim's bed, and the same DNA belonging to an unknown male was found in two conspicuous places in two forms on the victim's body.

Since when? The cord had to have been found early on in the investigation and the BDP for YEARS considered the Ramsey's as the prime suspects.

So, now the intruder assaulted her and tied her up in her bedroom? And then carried her downstairs? When did he feed her the pineapple? OMG. Do you think he tied her up in the bedroom and then took her downtairs, untied her and fed her pineapple? And then took her to the basement and tied her up again?

Let me guess "killers are crazy...there's no telling what they will do"

 

[Ames]

pineapple fruitcake = patsy

seems like the killer had to have some lights on in the basement or use a flashlight to be moving things around in the basement

and i think that light would be seen from the outside of the house
which the "INTRUDER" might not want the light to be seen

unless of course John errrrrrrr uhhh i mean the killer were to be using the
night vision binoculars which would allow him to roam around in the darkness
with no lights on


amazing- night vision binoculars were in the house

that pesky intruder sure was lucky
he found a pen, a notepad, pineapple, night vision binocs and other things right in the house

Head over to FFJ and check out my thread.."Patsy Ramsey...things that were strange or out of place". I have one on John too.....its very interesting...and based on their interviews. The night vision binoculars was one of the things mentioned...among many.

 

[robotdog]

Head over to FFJ and check out my thread.."Patsy Ramsey...things that were strange or out of place". I have one on John too.....its very interesting...and based on their interviews. The night vision binoculars was one of the things mentioned...among many.

strolling over

thanks

 

[LI_Mom]

Uh, that is really old news. Since then, cord fibers were found in JBR's bed, which debunks the whole basement staging theory. RDI clings to it anyway. YOU ask that FBI profiler what he thinks TODAY, now that cord fibers were found in the victim's bed, and the same DNA belonging to an unknown male was found in two conspicuous places in two forms on the victim's body.

So if we are to believe a mystery intruder was with JB in TWO locations (or more)..... we cannot believe it's also possible that the parents STAGED in 2 places?

Makes no sense. Not even a little.

 

[LI_Mom]

Since when? The cord had to have been found early on in the investigation and the BDP for YEARS considered the Ramsey's as the prime suspects.

So, now the intruder assaulted her and tied her up in her bedroom? And then carried her downstairs? When did he feed her the pineapple? OMG. Do you think he tied her up in the bedroom and then took her downtairs, untied her and fed her pineapple? And then took her to the basement and tied her up again?

Let me guess "killers are crazy...there's no telling what they will do"

Is it possible, mystery intruder assaulted her, tied her up, carried her downstairs & JB said, "Hey! I'm getting real dehydrated here.... give me some pineapple NOW or I'll scream for my mother?" lol

 

[Wudge]

My intention was NOT to list EVERY suspect & then go through them one by one by one to see IF there was anyone you thought was excluded too quickly. I wanted to cut to the chase & ask you directly..... IF there were ANY that YOU could name.


Wudge:

More importantly, I'm not concerned about the case. I'm not concerned about John Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Burke Ramsey. LE did not have him targeted. I'm not concerned about Patsy Ramsey. She has passed on. I'm not concerned about the Ramsey family. They have been exonerated.


LI_Mom:

Wudge, I'm curious.... are you perfectly comfortable with ALL the suspects that have been excluded? If not, which ones do you think are still potential suspects?



Oh and btw, LE DID have all the Ramseys "targeted" (your word) from the start (like they do in EVERY crime scene) & over the course of time excluded them one by one... sometimes for very sound reasons but in some cases (John Ramsey) for less than logical reasons.

I support the use of properly tested DNA to exclude people. It's reasonable to do that, and Courts recognize that fact. Therefore, those people in this case who have been excluded on the basis of DNA can logically be excluded from having left the DNA that was found in JonBenet's blood smear on her underpants. Since that DNA excludes all of the Ramseys, the entire family is logically cleared.

It could be argued that there were two intruders. If so, one intruder could have left their DNA while the other intruder did not.

It could also be argued that one or more of the Ramseys invited someone in to molest JonBenet. I have seen that argued. To say the least, that is not, in any way, reasonable in my mind.

 

[daffodil]

My question regarding the basis upon which prior suspects -- like Fleet White and Bill McReynolds -- were eliminated as suspects remains unanswered.

Handwriting,DNA,palm prints.......