Has The Defense Changed Your Mind About ICA's Guilt?

[PAXIMUS]

I just got around to catching up on today's events and I AM SHOCKED TO SAY THE LEAST!!!! What a <modsnip> (sorry guys). I cannot believe this!!! Throwing her father under the bus like that - I do not believe it for one minute. I could just puke.

Good defense strategy if I must say so myself but they have just been added to my list of <modsnip>.............

This is why a lot of females dont come forward with sexual abuse accusations, nobody believes them. Preverts love it when people ridicule the sexually abused, it helps them get away with it and keep on abusing more and more children.

The majority of the responses on this forum only confirm to someone like Casey that had she told the truth from the very beginning nobody would have believed her anyway.

 

[Atlanta PI]

I think I should post something about why I'm so convinced at the possibility that KC is NOT lying about being sexually abused by GA. Actually, a lot of really good points have been made already, and I'm not going to start repeating them. This is only about my own personal observation.

I skipped around when watching this. I watched a large portion of it on IS, until that ended. When a commercial was on, I would run to my laptop to see it on WFTV.com. Then someone posted that News13 was still playing it live, and I watched the rest of it there. I don't recall which station I was watching when GA was testifying, but I recall that it was a split screen. I could see GA, with sweat glistening on his head, but his face almost completely impassive. I could also see KC.

When JB asked GA if he had ever sexually molested his daughter, he denied it. Really, would we expect him to admit to it, even under oath, even if it were TRUE? Anyway, that's beside the point. When GA stonyface denied it, something instantly broke in KC. I mean BROKE. I swear to you, and yes I'm definately prone to over-exagerations, BUT . . . I swear I watched her soul tear. In that very second . . . . I felt in my heart that it was true.

This doesn't mean she's not a killer (I'm waiting for the jury to decide that one). It doesn't mean she hasn't lied about almost everything in her life. It doesn't mean she's the worst kind of friend, or daughter or mother.

It's totally my opinion. Maybe it's wrong. Maybe I should side with the masses on this one. So many people can't be wrong, can they? I can't shake it though. I know what I saw, and how I felt.

Anyway, there you have it.

I certainly respect your opinions, but I watched the entire thing myself, and IMHO she "broke" as called upon to do so, and as rehearsed by the defense team. Or perhaps reacted by being very very upset that he was not playing along? She is a consumate liar and plays for her crowd. If I thought she had any sort of heart at all, I would hope that her appearing to break was because she was putting her father through this in the hopes of saving herself.

 

[Blue Jackets fan]

I was actually embarrassed watching JB today. I can't imagine The State of Florida gave him a license to practice law. IMO he's done.

According to one lawyer in the other thread, asl ong as Casry told him she was sexually abused, then Beaz did not violate anything in that regard.

 

[CathyR]

Baez can only present the story Casey tells him as a defense. He isn't allowed to make one up. Defense attorneys do have some rules they follow. So comments about him killing her are absurd. He had to present what she told him happened. He has obviously some kind of forensic evidence that I'm still waiting to hear to back up his claims about Kronk. The rest of her story, the abuse the molestation could be a lie and meant to sensationalize her claims. I think she is guilty of neglect, and just plain immature behavior. I don't think she intentionally murdered her daughter. Tell lies, steal, etc. YES and probably more that we don't know about. I think the only thing I feel is 100% true is that Caylee drowned. The rest she could be making up to shift blame away from her to the people she fears the most her parents. They may never have abused her but she feared their judgment more than society's so she covered up the death. The Kronk story may be true if the forensics bear it out. Casey may have returned to where she dumped her only to find her missing thus she concocts the kidnapping story. I'm waiting to see what the defense experts say. Prosecution too. This case is just beginning and like a juror I'm not rendering judgment till I hear the whole case.

 

[Quiche]

One thing bothers the hello out of me now that I've had time to let it sink in. If ONE juror was/knows somebody that was sexually abused and has some unresolved issues about it, it could mean trouble for the State. It's been tossed out there and you can't un-ring a bell. In fact the more I think about it for a defensive move, it was way better than I want to give JB credit for.

Unresolved murderous issues of their own child? I know plenty of women who've been abused and the contrary seems to be the norm-- they are more careful with their girl children. jmo

eta: Oh, and they don't invite their abuser to watch them give birth. :thud:

 

[DaughterAlice]

Respectfully, I know what you are feeling but my feeling was that she was hurt and surprised that he didn't go along with her defense. All her life her parents have covered for her lies and her mistakes. This time, Daddy drew a line in the sand and stood up for Caylee.

MOO - and I really do respect your opinion too.

I had considered that, after the fact, but it was definately not what was in my heart at that very second. Thanks for your kindness. It's not easy speaking against what most everyone else is saying.

 

[minazoe]

wow...just wow...

I am usually just full of something to say..just WOW.

 

[Marple]

I think the defense has just sunk their own ship. I think the jury could have believed an accident, but when they introduced sex abuse, ding dong in mouth, you will go to jail for freaking forever, and Kronk hiding the remains for months they screwed themselves.

It's so crazy that I started laughing (not disrespect to Caylee) It's so absurd and I was so happy that JB nailed the last nail into ICA's coffin. Thank you JB! I was scared he was going with the accident defense and she tried to cover it up. Thanks again, JB!

Me too, Mary. I thought "This will make a good Lifetime Movie." Then they threw the meter reader into the plot and I thought, "okay, that is NOT believable."

 

[tehcloser]

Unresolved murderous issues of their own child? I know plenty of women who've been abused and the contrary seems to be the norm-- they are more careful with their girl children. jmo

eta: Oh, and they don't invite their abuser to watch them give birth. :thud:

No Quiche, I simply meant their sympathy's might lie with someone else who was "saying" they were abused. I'm not even touching GA being there watching the birth.......some things are just too da%n wacky even for me........:floorlaugh:

 

[BD1]

I thought pancake meant the head and the body. I only ever see two circles on an ultrasound.

Not to be crude, but ultrasound techs call female organs 'the cheeseburger' on baby ultrasound.

 

[goldleaf]

I'm very confused because to cover up the many gaps in his story, JB keeps stating that we will never know because law enforcement didn't follow up, etc. However, the answers to those questions can all be answered by his client, ICA!

 

[3doglady]

Magpie at HM wrote about her day in court. http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/0...ase-magpie-reports-on-trial-052411/#more-6915 Hope it's ok to post this.

 

[Nikki 01]

I think I should post something about why I'm so convinced at the possibility that KC is NOT lying about being sexually abused by GA. Actually, a lot of really good points have been made already, and I'm not going to start repeating them. This is only about my own personal observation.

I skipped around when watching this. I watched a large portion of it on IS, until that ended. When a commercial was on, I would run to my laptop to see it on WFTV.com. Then someone posted that News13 was still playing it live, and I watched the rest of it there. I don't recall which station I was watching when GA was testifying, but I recall that it was a split screen. I could see GA, with sweat glistening on his head, but his face almost completely impassive. I could also see KC.

When JB asked GA if he had ever sexually molested his daughter, he denied it. Really, would we expect him to admit to it, even under oath, even if it were TRUE? Anyway, that's beside the point. When GA stonyface denied it, something instantly broke in KC. I mean BROKE. I swear to you, and yes I'm definately prone to over-exagerations, BUT . . . I swear I watched her soul tear. In that very second . . . . I felt in my heart that it was true.

This doesn't mean she's not a killer (I'm waiting for the jury to decide that one). It doesn't mean she hasn't lied about almost everything in her life. It doesn't mean she's the worst kind of friend, or daughter or mother.

It's totally my opinion. Maybe it's wrong. Maybe I should side with the masses on this one. So many people can't be wrong, can they? I can't shake it though. I know what I saw, and how I felt.

Anyway, there you have it.

I respect your opinion, but to me trying to read someone's reactions is like reading tea leaves. I just re-watched his testimony and I see nothing to indicate that she 'broke' or her 'soul tore'. Casey shown hardly any emotion other than shaking her head so I really have no idea how anyone could arrive to that conclusion, no offense.

I will say I did entertain the possibility he did molest her because I think Baez did a good job spinning the Anthony's dysfunction and their ability to live in denial into a positive for the defense. I thought that there was a possibility that their craziness and their willingness to stick behind Casey no matter what was because she had something on them.


However, that left my mind when GA took the stand. To me he was credible. While there is Casey who has zero credibility and would say anything to go free. It's a pretty easy choice who to believe.

As you basically said this is also a completely separate issue from Casey's guilt. Even if the molestation is true it doesn't mean the rest of the story is. Personally I don't buy for a second it was an accident because people don't panic and hide a body over an accident. They just don't. Their story also makes no sense. They claim George molested her and forced her into a cover up of an accident, but why would he hang her out to dry for murder if he molested her knowing she could out him at any time? He could have cleared it up as soon as she was arrested and she would have went free and his dirty little secret would have remained hidden. This story is a load of crap.

 

[Chanler]

Baez can only present the story Casey tells him as a defense. He isn't allowed to make one up. Defense attorneys do have some rules they follow. So comments about him killing her are absurd. He had to present what she told him happened. He has obviously some kind of forensic evidence that I'm still waiting to hear to back up his claims about Kronk. The rest of her story, the abuse the molestation could be a lie and meant to sensationalize her claims. I think she is guilty of neglect, and just plain immature behavior. I don't think she intentionally murdered her daughter. Tell lies, steal, etc. YES and probably more that we don't know about. I think the only thing I feel is 100% true is that Caylee drowned. The rest she could be making up to shift blame away from her to the people she fears the most her parents. They may never have abused her but she feared their judgment more than society's so she covered up the death. The Kronk story may be true if the forensics bear it out. Casey may have returned to where she dumped her only to find her missing thus she concocts the kidnapping story. I'm waiting to see what the defense experts say. Prosecution too. This case is just beginning and like a juror I'm not rendering judgment till I hear the whole case.

Hi, Casey. Lawyers aren't obliged to follow the story that the defendant tells them. In fact, in this case, Baez isn't: He's asserting that she has lied most of the time about most things. In fact, the best supposed "evidence" that her father sexually abused her is that she is so radically dysfunctional.

We don't know who or how the drowning story was constructed; it might have been spawned by the story about the missing pool ladder.

If Casey feared her parents' judgment more than anything else, she would have confessed after her first lies were exposed.

It is doubtful that the Kronk story is based on "forensics." It is more likely that it is based on the fact that the corpse was not seen in earlier walk-throughs. "Forensics" won't explain why a person unconnected to the people involved found a corpse and then, for some reason, felt obliged to move it.

 

[Oakley]

Yes the defense has changed my mind about Casey's guilt. Prior to today I was 99% certain she did it alone and unsure of the DP. After today, I am now 100% convinced that she is guilty of the charges against her and I think she has a very good chance of being put to death. I don't believe for a minute that George molested her, nor Lee. How evil to implicate so many innocent people to save her own butt. Casey is evil. JMO

ETA: Oh and I think George was targeted by Casey as payback for his GJ testimony and his candor about the decomp smell. She really is a spiteful *****.

 

[Krisy]

I had the thought today that ****IF this was an accident, Casey would have told. She would have been the center of attention again...she would have been that "poor Mom". I think she would have liked the attention.

*In NO WAY am I thinking a NORMAL Mother who lost a child would love the attention. NEVER...I have a friend who lost their 3 year old and he would have given anything to have his little girl back. He didn't want the attention at all.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

Not a chance......They just made me even more certain that this is not going to end well for her! Perhaps if they really want to " so called save their client " from Death ( although I think they are only trying to set her free first, Baez pipe dream for his career and all that ) they should have miss evil-doer
plead to her murdering crime and serve her punishment. I think Mason being and old dog professional could tell that Baez wasn't selling the Jury on his Rantings.........JMO

What keeps popping into my mind vis-a-vis JB and his ludicrous opening statements is a recent episode of L&O: SVU. A man with a website for high-end purses sold shoddy merchandise or didn't follow through at all. He did so DELIBERATELY because the more people posted to WARN about how bad he was, the higher up in Google his rating went so when people searched for purses, his name would bubble up near the top. He would then stalk the people who complained, terrorizing them, to get even more bad reviews. ALL he cared about was his name popping up because he only had to sell a couple of "high end" purses to make a LOT of money.

Is that what JB's doing? Never mind if he's a bad lawyer -- in the years to come, people will remember his name while in stress mode and want him as their attorney. Name recognition must be the ONLY important thing for JB, 'cause it sure ain't his lawyerin' skills.

 

[DaughterAlice]

I respect your opinion, but to me trying to read someone's reactions is like reading tea leaves. I just re-watched his testimony and I see nothing to indicate that she 'broke' or her her 'soul tore'. Casey shown hardly any emotion other than shaking her head so I really have no idea how anyone could arrive to that conclusion, no offense.

I will say I did entertain the possibility he did molest her because I think Baez did a good job spinning the Anthony's dysfunction and their ability to live into denial into a positive for the defense. I thought that there was a possibility that their craziness and their willingness to stick behind Casey no matter what was because she had something on them.


However, that left my mind when GA took the stand. To me he was credible. While there is Casey who has zero credibility and would say anything to go free. It's a pretty easy choice who to believe.

As you basically said this is also a completely separate issue from Casey's guilt. Even if the molestation is true it doesn't mean the rest of the story is. Personally I don't buy for a second it was an accident because people don't panic and hide a body over an accident. They just don't. Their story also makes no sense. They claim George molested her and forced her into a cover up of an accident, but why would he hang her out to dry for murder if he molested her knowing she could out him at any time? He could have cleared it up as soon as she was arrested and she would have went free and his dirty little secret would have remained hidden. This story is a load of crap.

It was what I perceived that I saw, and what I write is honestly and completely what I felt. The fact that you or anyone can go back & rewatch it doesn't mean that I'll change what I know I perceived at the time. Also, GA did NOT at ALL seem credible to me. Tea leaves or not, think of me being on the jury. They don't have the benefit of someone like you laying it out for them; advising them on what a "load of crap" this is.

I'm not trying to sell you the accident scenario, in fact, you will see that I'm only just mentioning it for the first time as it relates to the abuse. As for him knowing he could "out" her at anytime, well there are things I can't explain. I'm not qualified to explain it, but I think maybe an abuser has a strange power over the victim. Maybe he felt assurred that his dirty little secret would be safe. Maybe he degraded her to the point that he knew she would be too ashamed to say it, though she did. I don't have all the answers.

 

[passionflower]

Oh after Jose's language, I needed a shower..........yuck is all I can say!

 

[gawdess]

Did people seriously not see the "Everybody else is guilty but Casey" defense coming from the DT? LOL.

I think Baez is doing a good job given the situation he has to work with; however, I do not feel the case he presented today will be enough to get Casey out of this. I don't believe 90% of what he said today in court.