Has the defense created reasonable doubt?

[Hot Dogs]

I thought diatoms were not collected from Caylee

AFAIK, there was no attempt to detect or collect any diatoms from Caylee's bone marrow.

But there shouldn't be any living diatoms in a sterilized swimming pool anyway.

 

[Trident]

I believe Jeff Aston did a good job of going over the prosecutions case by point also. Oh, what does "actual evidence" mean to you. Is it all evidence or only evidence that you believe true?

Evidence, like something tangible, I need something that can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before I would even consider voting to take someone's life. So far, to me, the SA did not give me anything more than a theory, and some questionable circumstancial evidence. The only thing I know for sure, aside from Caylee being dead, is that no one reported Caylee missing for 31 days. In fact, if we had taken everyone's statement at face value, the As said June 9 was the last time they saw Caylee, it would have been longer than 31 days.

Something smells - bad :cow:

 

[GeekyGirl]

But if they scooped her out of the pool wouldn't they place her in the grass right next to the pool and try to revive her? Because there were no alerts NEAR the pool.

Cadaver dogs scent decomposing bodies. Someone who had just drowned would not put off this scent.

 

[GeekyGirl]

Maybe because they would find some diatoms but would have no way to tie them to the Anthony pool? I don't know but if anyone whats to claim "junk science" this could be it.

It's not exactly junk science, there are cases where it's very useful. Just wouldn't have been helpful in this one, more than likely. MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I would think so, yes. A pool that's been freshly treated with an algaecide like Baquacil (which is what they used) should have very few, if any, diatoms. But as the algaecide wears off, diatoms could grow (that's why you have to retreat pools) so I think it's reasonable to think you couldn't say what the water would have contained 31 days earlier, especially if the pool had been treated during that time.

Wait. Are you talking about a quantity of diatoms or a unique identifier? Uh, Oh I'm starting to sound like JB.

 

[sappysoul]

Evidence, like something tangible, I need something that can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before I would even consider voting to take someone's life. So far, to me, the SA did not give me anything more than a theory, and some questionable circumstancial evidence. The only thing I know for sure, aside from Caylee being dead, is that no one reported Caylee missing for 31 days. In fact, if we had taken everyone's statement at face value, the As said June 9 was the last time they saw Caylee, it would have been longer than 31 days.

Something smells - bad :cow:

So what is another reasonable explanation for how Caylee ended up dead in the swamp?

 

[Hot Dogs]

A lack of diatoms in the bone marrow would not automatically indicate a non-drowning death.

 

[GeekyGirl]

AFAIK, there was no attempt to detect or collect any diatoms from Caylee's bone marrow.

But there shouldn't be any living diatoms in a sterilized swimming pool anyway.

Good point, though I think it does depend on how recently a pool has been sterilized. The algaecide does wear off, so a pool that's nearing the end of the effective treatment window might show some diatoms.

 

[gngr~snap]

JB could have used you in closings, you are just as much confusing as he is
What is your point here?

"MOCK JURORS"
- sorry! forgot to add that little tid bit!:crazy:

I thought a few people might like to know what someone's opinion was about the case who's brain wasn't oversatured with 3 yrs of sleuthing...
what they are thinking about the trial... The lawyers the family and ICA

 

[ZsaZsa]

I would never expect a cadaver dog to alert on a pool in which somebody drowned and then was soon removed. Besides that, the Baquacil could confound the situation because it oxidizes organic compounds.

I didn't hear any cadaver dog handler or expert say that cadaver dogs cannot scent if a body is 'soon removed' and I don't believe it applies to pools...
pool bacquacil does not mask the smell of human decomposition from a trained dog.
They alerted to spots in the backyard where it's likely Caylee was put down for just a short period. The smell is either there or its not..

 

[katydid23]

My understanding is that she is no longer a member of the team.

NOPE. Just a week ago she was listed as a DT consultant. She is still part of the team. She is going on all of the media outlets as their mouthpiece, as is her husband. He is saying incorrect things purposely.

Why didn't the DT do that diatom test when they did their own autopsy with the world famous Dr. Spitz?

 

[cuppy199]

They can argue it was a drowning all they want. I dont care how messed up a family it is it still does Not make sense for her to cover it up. The only reason to cover up anything is because you know it can be proven other wise. ICA got lucky in the sense that it took them so long to find the baby body. They can spin it anyway they like its still not logical to believe that Caylee drowned and with in a few hours ICA was with her boyfriend renting movies. If ICA was such a great mother as the defense wanted everyone to believe then why not show some emotion for her daughter death. If ICA can show emotion about being a great mom she surely can show something other then partying and carrying on for 31 days.

 

[katydid23]

Cadaver dogs scent decomposing bodies. Someone who had just drowned would not put off this scent.

That would depend upon a lot of variables. How long she was at the bottom of the pool and how long she laid on the lawn and how hot it was--correct?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Cadaver dogs scent decomposing bodies. Someone who had just drowned would not put off this scent.

The dogs hit on several areas in the yard, so if she was newly drowned and not yet emitting the smell of death, why would they alert there....?
The answer is because she didn't drown in their pool.

 

[GeekyGirl]

Wait. Are you talking about a quantity of diatoms or a unique identifier? Uh, Oh I'm starting to sound like JB.

LOL, well both really... Like I said, I just don't think it would have been useful in this case, but I'm certainly not an expert.

 

[cuppy199]

She may have thought she'd never get caught but she knew she would have to have some explanation for why Caylee wasn't around any more. Regardless, I just don't see her leaving the rag or any signs of making chloroform lying around when they can be easily tossed. That makes no sense at all.

Not much about ICA makes sinse :crazy:

 

[katydid23]

they can argue it was a drowning all they want. I dont care how messed up a family it is it still does not make sense for her to cover it up. The only reason to cover up anything is because you know it can be proven other wise. Ica got lucky in the sense that it took them so long to find the baby body. they can spin it anyway they like its still not logical to believe that caylee drowned and with in a few hours ica was with her boyfriend renting movies. If ica was such a great mother as the defense wanted everyone to believe then why not show some emotion for her daughter death. if ica can show emotion about being a great mom she surely can show something other then partying and carrying on for 31 days.

thank you.

 

[GeekyGirl]

The dogs hit on several areas in the yard, so if she was newly drowned and not yet emitting the smell of death, why would they alert there....?
The answer is because she didn't drown in their pool.

I don't think she drowned, but that's not a logical conclusion... In theory she could have drowned, been laid by the pool, and later had her decomposing body placed at other places in the yard. The dogs still could have hit those places and not by the pool.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Evidence, like something tangible, I need something that can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before I would even consider voting to take someone's life. So far, to me, the SA did not give me anything more than a theory, and some questionable circumstancial evidence. The only thing I know for sure, aside from Caylee being dead, is that no one reported Caylee missing for 31 days. In fact, if we had taken everyone's statement at face value, the As said June 9 was the last time they saw Caylee, it would have been longer than 31 days.

Something smells - bad :cow:

Ok. That's why I asked. To me tangible means to be able to hold or touch. I don't need evidence to be that physical.I can take people statements in relation to the evidence and weigh it.Then I form an opinion. IMO.

 

[smithjrsgirl55]

Apparently these diatoms are naturally occurring organisms found in bodies of water.

Would these diatoms be present only at the actual time of drowning? I know they said the body was submerged in water for a period of time. Could these diatoms attached while the body was still decomposing? If that is possible then would the diatoms in the swampy water override any diatoms that could have been present in the pool water if it really was a drowning? And also would there be diatoms present if she swam in the pool or only if she drowned would they become present? Just curious..never heard of this and I'm a little confused. Thanks