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[kant]

And...had they checked the dumpster right away they might have found some other evidence: a blanket, maybe Haleigh's necklace, an earring, or something with DNA evidence on it. Possibly something was there the first day or two that could have pointed the investigation in a better direction from the get-go.

GOOD GRIEF, EXACTLY!!

I mean if they're stuck on the no-cadaver-dog-search notion, (which, btw, I didnt really buy) they could have done it without cadaver dogs and searched for any items that the perp wanted to get gone via the trash pickup.

Mission accomplished. (imo)

And taking a look would have been useful even if they ruled it out and found nothing; but it's especially important, imo, when you look at the location of the dumpster. IIRC, it was within walking distance of one or the other (or both?) of the Cummings/Croslin homes.

moo

 

[krkrjx]

GOOD GRIEF, EXACTLY!!

I mean if they're stuck on the no-cadaver-dog-search notion, (which, btw, I didnt really buy) they could have done it without cadaver dogs and searched for any items that the perp wanted to get gone via the trash pickup.

Mission accomplished. (imo)

And taking a look would have been useful even if they ruled it out and found nothing; but it's especially important, imo, when you look at the location of the dumpster. IIRC, it was within walking distance of one or the other (or both?) of the Cummings/Croslin homes.

moo

It's just a "given" in such investigations to check all dumpsters immediately. Any dumpster in the near neighborhood would be gone through, not because they are looking for a body but because they are looking for evidence. Evidence that is very hard or impossible to find after the dumpster contents are picked up and carted away.

Mistakes can be made, yes, but LE in this case messed up in some crucial areas, IMO. If this case goes any colder I will need to wear gloves just to post about it.

 

[lil momma]

Good point.

I cant recall exactly, but i remember thinking, "WHAT?" and being irked that it did not seem timely to me.

Also, it was discussed on one of those shows, NG, etc - (one of them.) and whoever was interviewed (LE... - IDK who) the person said something that I thought was just strange.

The interviewee was asked why the search of the dumpster was "late" and why they waited until after trash pickup day to search it.

The odd response was something to the effect of, "When a child first goes missing, no one wants to upset the family by bringing out cadaver dogs because the hope is that a live child will be found."

This struck me as absurd. There are cases when a child is deliberately reported missing on a day other than the actual day that whatever happened, happened. Wow really bad syntax; but you get the drift.

Also, why not go ahead and search the dang dumpster and if there's nothing there, then - great; but at least you freakin looked before it was too late and before the dumpster was emptied such that all that's left of evidence of a body being there is trace scent.

moo

I agree and this is one of my main frustrations about this case.... it seems as though LE doesn't want to find HaLeigh, call me crazy, IDK.

Didn't LE also take a bunch of sheets and throw them on the ramp for the dogs to sniff? WTH was that all about, and please i hope someone doesn't say to get HaLeigh's scent, b/c her scent would have been much stronger inside the home instead of on the sheets in the blowing wind outside on the ramp.....just blows my mind.....

The dumpster would have been one of the first places i looked and like you said if they found nothing, then great. I bet had they checked that dumpster that early morning, they would have found loads of evidence, maybe not HaLeigh, but they would have deemed this a homicide a long time ago.

IOW, and can't recall much conversation on it, but was the dump site (where all the garbage is dumped) searched? Wasn't it searched like a week or so after LE searched the dumpster? Or was it ever searched at all?

Poor HaLeigh....Where are you????


JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

And...had they checked the dumpster right away they might have found some other evidence: a blanket, maybe Haleigh's necklace, an earring, or something with DNA evidence on it. Possibly something was there the first day or two that could have pointed the investigation in a better direction from the get-go.

This has always irked me too. Also, if the dumpster had been dumped lately and since the dogs alerted to the dumpster, why wasn't the landfill searched for any evidence or a body? I trust the dogs. I too believe that Haleigh's body was temporarily placed at the dumpster until she could be picked up by someone and disposed of elsewhere.

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree and this is one of my main frustrations about this case.... it seems as though LE doesn't want to find HaLeigh, call me crazy, IDK.

Didn't LE also take a bunch of sheets and throw them on the ramp for the dogs to sniff? WTH was that all about, and please i hope someone doesn't say to get HaLeigh's scent, b/c her scent would have been much stronger inside the home instead of on the sheets in the blowing wind outside on the ramp.....just blows my mind.....

The dumpster would have been one of the first places i looked and like you said if they found nothing, then great. I bet had they checked that dumpster that early morning, they would have found loads of evidence, maybe not HaLeigh, but they would have deemed this a homicide a long time ago.

IOW, and can't recall much conversation on it, but was the dump site (where all the garbage is dumped) searched? Wasn't it searched like a week or so after LE searched the dumpster? Or was it ever searched at all?

Poor HaLeigh....Where are you????


JMO

I believe that a majority of us believed that the searching of the dumpster immediately following a missing child report was standard procedure for LE?????????? Then we find that "they didn't want to upset the family?????" The entire first year IMO was a total "Cluster". An unsecured crime scene, bed linens thrown out for the scent to be blown all over the neighborhood, not searching all the family's homes and land, not drug testing the father and his girlfriend, not taking Jr. from the scene to question before Grandma took control over him, letting people come in and out of the mobile home at will, not taking Ronald's vehicle and Teresa's vehicle in for processing, the dumpster is at the top of the list of screwups, TES being sent away, FBI's help rejected.........................way too many to list................:banghead:

 

[twall]

I agree and this is one of my main frustrations about this case.... it seems as though LE doesn't want to find HaLeigh, call me crazy, IDK.

Didn't LE also take a bunch of sheets and throw them on the ramp for the dogs to sniff? WTH was that all about, and please i hope someone doesn't say to get HaLeigh's scent, b/c her scent would have been much stronger inside the home instead of on the sheets in the blowing wind outside on the ramp.....just blows my mind.....

The dumpster would have been one of the first places i looked and like you said if they found nothing, then great. I bet had they checked that dumpster that early morning, they would have found loads of evidence, maybe not HaLeigh, but they would have deemed this a homicide a long time ago.

IOW, and can't recall much conversation on it, but was the dump site (where all the garbage is dumped) searched? Wasn't it searched like a week or so after LE searched the dumpster? Or was it ever searched at all?

Poor HaLeigh....Where are you????


JMO

I agree the bedding should not have been placed on the ramp for scent purposes. It would have been better if the scent dogs would have been provided with an object specific to Haleigh, shoes, shirt, etc.
The reason her scent was not acquired by the dogs from inside the home is because more than Haleigh lived there, how would the handler know whose scent the dog picked up to track? It could have been anyone who had previously been in the home.

The dumpster that the cadaver dogs hit on was searched early in the case. That is SOP. I don't think LE is that incompetent to not search it. There are many media pieces stating the dumpster was searched early on and the cadaver dogs were brought in 2 weeks later to go over areas to make sure nothing was missed. There are several threads here discussing the dumpster.
It was not the type of dumpster the residents of the community throw their personal trash in like what is used in an apartment complex. The dumpster in question is a construction dumpster and not emptied when the residents trash is picked up. LE has also stated the landfill where the residential trash was taken was searched, too.

~snip~
Putnam County Sheriff's Major Gary Bowling said they had cleared a large construction dumpster located about a quarter of a mile from the home where Haleigh Cummings was last seen just over two weeks ago.

Major Bowling said the dumpster had been checked before but not as thoroughly as the search conducted Thursday evening.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/022609Haleigh_Search

From Greta show:

VAN SUSTEREN: Have there ever been cadaver dogs at that dumpster after February 9 other than today?

COURSEY: They have had canines out here and bloodhounds, but this is the first time they have had cadaver dogs out. There was seven dogs out today. There will be 12 dogs out tomorrow.

VAN SUSTEREN: I take it the dumpster has been dumped since February 9. Is that right?

COURSEY: No. This was the first time the dumpster was emptied. The area, this lot behind me, has been searched three or four times, police say. But they had bloodhounds out But they never got a hit on the dumpster. They said before tonight's there was really no reason to empty it. Tonight was the first time it was emptied.

Inside all they found was construction debris and leaves and branches, things like that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,501724,00.html

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree the bedding should not have been placed on the ramp for scent purposes. It would have been better if the scent dogs would have been provided with an object specific to Haleigh, shoes, shirt, etc.
The reason her scent was not acquired by the dogs from inside the home is because more than Haleigh lived there, how would the handler know whose scent the dog picked up to track? It could have been anyone who had previously been in the home.

The dumpster that the cadaver dogs hit on was searched early in the case. That is SOP. I don't think LE is that incompetent to not search it. There are many media pieces stating the dumpster was searched early on and the cadaver dogs were brought in 2 weeks later to go over areas to make sure nothing was missed. There are several threads here discussing the dumpster.
It was not the type of dumpster the residents of the community throw their personal trash in like what is used in an apartment complex. The dumpster in question is a construction dumpster and not emptied when the residents trash is picked up. LE has also stated the landfill where the residential trash was taken was searched, too.

~snip~
Putnam County Sheriff's Major Gary Bowling said they had cleared a large construction dumpster located about a quarter of a mile from the home where Haleigh Cummings was last seen just over two weeks ago.

Major Bowling said the dumpster had been checked before but not as thoroughly as the search conducted Thursday evening.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/022609Haleigh_Search

From Greta show:

VAN SUSTEREN: Have there ever been cadaver dogs at that dumpster after February 9 other than today?

COURSEY: They have had canines out here and bloodhounds, but this is the first time they have had cadaver dogs out. There was seven dogs out today. There will be 12 dogs out tomorrow.

VAN SUSTEREN: I take it the dumpster has been dumped since February 9. Is that right?

COURSEY: No. This was the first time the dumpster was emptied. The area, this lot behind me, has been searched three or four times, police say. But they had bloodhounds out But they never got a hit on the dumpster. They said before tonight's there was really no reason to empty it. Tonight was the first time it was emptied.

Inside all they found was construction debris and leaves and branches, things like that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,501724,00.html

Haleigh's shoes were still in the home so the shoes would have been an ideal thing to use for scent dogs. Yes, the dumpster was a construction debris container and scent dogs were supposedly used earlier in the search. Cadaver dogs alerted on the dumpster, meaning that dna had to have been present in that dumpster. IMO, it was not a band-aid or sanitary napkin that the dogs alerted on. Something connected to Haleigh could have been put into that dumpster after it was searched the first time and the dogs alerted to it.

 

[suspicious1]

Haleigh's shoes were still in the home so the shoes would have been an ideal thing to use for scent dogs. Yes, the dumpster was a construction debris container and scent dogs were supposedly used earlier in the search. Cadaver dogs alerted on the dumpster, meaning that dna had to have been present in that dumpster. IMO, it was not a band-aid or sanitary napkin that the dogs alerted on. Something connected to Haleigh could have been put into that dumpster after it was searched the first time and the dogs alerted to it.

So when Haleigh first went missing, scent dogs did not alert on the dumpster..but after 2 weeks, the cadaver dogs hit on it?:waitasec: Is it just me or does that seem pretty strange...I would think that if the scent dogs did not pick up on Haleigh's scent at the dumpster, she was not there. But if the cadaver dogs alerted on the dumpster, then wouldn't that mean that decomposition fluids or the smell of death was left at the dumpster?

If the dogs did not pick up on Haleigh scent at the dumpster...but cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster....could there possibly be someone else "missing"? Has anyone ever seen Teresa's boyfriend?

 

[Crosby87]

So when Haleigh first went missing, scent dogs did not alert on the dumpster..but after 2 weeks, the cadaver dogs hit on it?:waitasec: Is it just me or does that seem pretty strange...I would think that if the scent dogs did not pick up on Haleigh's scent at the dumpster, she was not there. But if the cadaver dogs alerted on the dumpster, then wouldn't that mean that decomposition fluids or the smell of death was left at the dumpster?

If the dogs did not pick up on Haleigh scent at the dumpster...but cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster....could there possibly be someone else "missing"? Has anyone ever seen Teresa's boyfriend?

NTMK. I wonder if he attended Ron and Misty's wedding? I don't recall seeing a wedding picture of R&M with his family members only Misty's.

 

[suspicious1]

NTMK. I wonder if he attended Ron and Misty's wedding? I don't recall seeing a wedding picture of R&M with his family members only Misty's.

I don't know if he attended the wedding or not...but it just seems odd that we've heard about him but never seen him..where was he when Haleigh went missing? Wasn't there talk of Teresa's boyfriend writing a bad check on the day Haleigh went missing? Teresa wanted people to believe that he funded Misty's trip to Orlando but then we later found out that Tim Miller had something to do with Misty going to Orlando. So why did Teresa want people to think her boyfriend paid for it? strange. IIRC, when Teresa got evicted from the place that her and this guy shared, this guy could not be located to serve him his eviction papers:waitasec:.

Where is this guy? In the police report Teresa used the Rita Ln address...at first I thought maybe she was trying to account for how quickly she showed up at the mh but....what if she was trying to keep LE from finding out who she lived with? just a thought.

 

[kant]

I don't know if he attended the wedding or not...but it just seems odd that we've heard about him but never seen him..where was he when Haleigh went missing? Wasn't there talk of Teresa's boyfriend writing a bad check on the day Haleigh went missing? Teresa wanted people to believe that he funded Misty's trip to Orlando but then we later found out that Tim Miller had something to do with Misty going to Orlando. So why did Teresa want people to think her boyfriend paid for it? strange. IIRC, when Teresa got evicted from the place that her and this guy shared, this guy could not be located to serve him his eviction papers:waitasec:.

Where is this guy? In the police report Teresa used the Rita Ln address...at first I thought maybe she was trying to account for how quickly she showed up at the mh but....what if she was trying to keep LE from finding out who she lived with? just a thought.

I know, right?

I've followed this case since, "day one;"

Tho im sure i've missed some random newscasts and random posts here and there, i've kept up fairly closely and I dont recall the subject of TN's boyfriend coming up.

Is it just me or does this seem like a significant sleuthing direction that may be worth some looking into?

 

[suspicious1]

I know, right?

I've followed this case since, "day one;"

Tho im sure i've missed some random newscasts and random posts here and there, i've kept up fairly closely and I dont recall the subject of TN's boyfriend coming up.

Is it just me or does this seem like a significant sleuthing direction that may be worth some looking into?

That's a good idea, Kant. I would love to find out more about this guy. I am really curious about him...I also wonder if LE knows anything about him..was he ever interviewed? just thinking out loud.

Where's Whisperer?

 

[lonetraveler]

NTMK. I wonder if he attended Ron and Misty's wedding? I don't recall seeing a wedding picture of R&M with his family members only Misty's.

Feel stupid asking this but what the heck does NTMK mean? I thought I pretty much had figured out what these acronyms mean but I guess I missed this one. TIA.:woohoo:

 

[lonetraveler]

So when Haleigh first went missing, scent dogs did not alert on the dumpster..but after 2 weeks, the cadaver dogs hit on it?:waitasec: Is it just me or does that seem pretty strange...I would think that if the scent dogs did not pick up on Haleigh's scent at the dumpster, she was not there. But if the cadaver dogs alerted on the dumpster, then wouldn't that mean that decomposition fluids or the smell of death was left at the dumpster?

If the dogs did not pick up on Haleigh scent at the dumpster...but cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster....could there possibly be someone else "missing"? Has anyone ever seen Teresa's boyfriend?

MY simplistic theory of this is that something pertaining to Haleigh was put into the dumpster after the scent dogs had searched the dumpster. Then days later the dumpster was re-searched and the cadaver dogs (three of them I beleive) hit on the dumpster. Makes me think that debris cleaned from either the location of Haleigh's demise or the clean up of vehicles was deposited into the dumpster. This was the first time that cadaver dogs had been used. It would not take very much evidence to make a cadaver dog alert.

 

[Crosby87]

Feel stupid asking this but what the heck does NTMK mean? I thought I pretty much had figured out what these acronyms mean but I guess I missed this one. TIA.:woohoo:

Hi Lone, It means NTMK: not to my knowledge

If you type 'Websleuths lingo' in the search bar, it brings up the thread that lists all the abbreviations and what they stand for.

 

[Crosby87]

That's a good idea, Kant. I would love to find out more about this guy. I am really curious about him...I also wonder if LE knows anything about him..was he ever interviewed? just thinking out loud.

Where's Whisperer?

I read through ‘Haleigh Cummings Timeline and Player Information’ thread and TN’s ex-husband is listed but not her boyfriend. According to Whisperer, TN has lived with her BF for many years. I also read the ‘Welcome Friends, Family and Locals in the HaLeigh Cummings case’ and TN’s boyfriend was never mentioned. Now I am going to go back to the beginning of this case and see if I can find anything on this guy.

 

[kant]

I read through ‘Haleigh Cummings Timeline and Player Information’ thread and TN’s ex-husband is listed but not her boyfriend. According to Whisperer, TN has lived with her BF for many years. I also read the ‘Welcome Friends, Family and Locals in the HaLeigh Cummings case’ and TN’s boyfriend was never mentioned. Now I am going to go back to the beginning of this case and see if I can find anything on this guy.

This is interesting.

Is it just me, or does the lack of any relevant or significant mention of him seem pointed... as in oddly conspicuous absence-of-mention?

things that make ya go hhmmmm....

moo

 

[Crosby87]

This is interesting.

Is it just me, or does the lack of any relevant or significant mention of him seem pointed... as in oddly conspicuous absence-of-mention?things that make ya go hhmmmm....

moo

kant, I’ve been studying information available on Lake County Clerk of the Circuit Courts website about TN and JH and I am beginning to see the case from a new perspective; with a set of fresh eyes so to speak.

LE said Haleigh wasn't abducted by a stranger but by someone who knew the family's schedule and whereabouts so Jeff should be a POI in this case.
JH and TN have been involved for some time so JH was not a stranger to HaLeigh. HaLeigh was Ron and Teresa's 'heart' but we don’t know how JH felt about HaLeigh. Misty believes someone cleverly picked the lock to get inside the home and Ron believes someone stole his child right from under his nose. There are tools designed to pick a door lock.

Unlike Misty who said she was home and Ron who said he was at work, TN and JH have chosen not to disclose this key information. I doubt JH was 'working' the night HaLeigh disappeared.

JH is not a law-abiding citizen. He has an extensive criminal history which stretches back over many years. JH and TN were legally evicted from a place they shared together in Lady Lake early in 2010 and JH is bankrupt and homeless.

105 Rita Lane is now TN & JH permanent residence but JH is currently staying in Daytona Beach.

http://www.lakecountyclerk.org/

 

[Whisperer]

This is another coincidence but now the main property in Lady Lake has been foreclosed. The paperwork was given to TN because they could not locate JH. Last update was November 5, 2010. This property has been associated with TN, JH, CC and I am pretty sure AS has this house at one time but I can't get to my research. :banghead:

I can't get the connection but at some point this property fell solely into JH's hands.

Regardless, it has been around for years and it has recently been going through foreclosure...wth?

 

[Crosby87]

This is another coincidence but now the main property in Lady Lake has been foreclosed. The paperwork was given to TN because they could not locate JH. Last update was November 5, 2010. This property has been associated with TN, JH, CC and I am pretty sure AS has this house at one time but I can't get to my research. :banghead:

I can't get the connection but at some point this property fell solely into JH's hands.

Regardless, it has been around for years and it has recently been going through foreclosure...wth?

TN & JH were handed their eviction notice in February 2010.

The foreclosure on 203 Anne Street occurred in May 2010. Was a trailer moved onto this property after a house fire? Are there neighbors living close by? Is there a picture of this property?

It is my understanding JH whereabouts is known because he is on Probation and had to give a DNA sample.

I have very little knowledge or background on this stuff so it is a challenge for me to read JH records and understand what they all mean.

Why was JH ordered to pay restitution? Did he injure this person?

07/22/2010
2010-CF000063201
State of Florida vs Jeffrey Hankins (Defendant)
Restitution Order
$3500
Jeff ordered to pay restitution order for medical treatment and care etc.