FEATURED Help Find Marvin "Rusty" Holderman/ Police Reached out to Websleuths, 2008?

[amymarie]

I'm hoping this guy can be found! If he got stuck in Mexico somehow, that would def explain why he wasn't able to cash his checks. I'm hoping it is the guy in Mexico because that means he is alive.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Thank you, Tricia.

Can we agree to compile one working doc to keep it clean and not repeat information to him? Is anyone around tomorrow that can compile all the possibles into one document and send it to him? If not, I'll build out a nice spreadsheet on Monday and send it to him.

We need to also see if he'll share any info on Rusty's background, which can only help us hunt better. We need to get all up in the unidentified cases. We need to learn our timeframe.

Thanks all.

RBBM

I am particularly interested in finding out if there is any likelihood of Rusty having been in the Redlands, CA area any time between 2008 and 2015 (the latter of which is the "probable year of death" for the CA UID coffee first posted about).

I do think the UID is a strong possible match. If the reddish patch on his nose -which matches the red spot on Rusty's nose- was due to skin cancer, it might have metastasized, resulting in loss of weight (Rusty's weight was estimated to be 190 to 240 lb. at the time of his disappearance; UID's 106 lb., estimated), and eventually in his death.

Height: Rusty: 70 to 74"; UID: 72", measured

Location: At least two public records search sites indicate Rusty's sister, VJH, has lived within an hour of where the CA UID was found (56 road miles), and so has Rusty.

Records also indicate Rusty was charged with petty theft and resisting arrest in May of '03 (another arrest in July of that year also, but no offense description is given).

So perhaps Rusty wasn't in FL all that long before he decided to go back to CA. LE should at least be able to find out when he started having his checks sent (or cashing them) there.

As to the tattoos ...: According to his NamUs profile, Rusty had three, whereas none are noted in the UID's profile. Coffee mentioned the possibility of the ME mistaking them for decomposing sarcoma. Any other possible explanation as to why a tattoo may go unnoticed during an autopsy?

Would it be a good idea to contact the investigator in the CA UID's case about Rusty being a possible match? Perhaps Detective Hess can reach out to the case manager with the San Berdino County Sheriff's Department?

 

[Legally Bland]

RBBM

I am particularly interested in finding out if there is any likelihood of Rusty having been in the Redlands, CA area any time between 2008 and 2015 (the latter of which is the "probable year of death" for the CA UID coffee first posted about).

I do think the UID is a strong possible match. If the reddish patch on his nose -which matches the red spot on Rusty's nose- was due to skin cancer, it might have metastasized, resulting in loss of weight (Rusty's weight was estimated to be 190 to 240 lb. at the time of his disappearance; UID's 106 lb., estimated), and eventually in his death.

Height: Rusty: 70 to 74"; UID: 72", measured

Location: At least two public records search sites indicate Rusty's sister, VJH, has lived within an hour of where the CA UID was found (56 road miles), and so has Rusty.

Records also indicate Rusty was charged with petty theft and resisting arrest in May of '03 (another arrest in July of that year also, but no offense description is given).

So perhaps Rusty wasn't in FL all that long before he decided to go back to CA. LE should at least be able to find out when he started having his checks sent (or cashing them) there.

As to the tattoos ...: According to his NamUs profile, Rusty had three, whereas none are noted in the UID's profile. Coffee mentioned the possibility of the ME mistaking them for decomposing sarcoma. Any other possible explanation as to why a tattoo may go unnoticed during an autopsy?

Would it be a good idea to contact the investigator in the CA UID's case about Rusty being a possible match? Perhaps Detective Hess can reach out to the case manager with the San Berdino County Sheriff's Department?

BBM. Rusty has an arrest record (trespass) from 2004 in Osceola County, FL.

That doesn't mean he stayed there between 2004 and 2008, though.

I don't know if it's been mentioned but he's also been declared deceased by Osceola courts.

Can't direct link, but you can search from here.

https://courts.osceolaclerk.org/BenchmarkWeb/Home.aspx/Search

 

[Steleheart]

RBBM

I am particularly interested in finding out if there is any likelihood of Rusty having been in the Redlands, CA area any time between 2008 and 2015 (the latter of which is the "probable year of death" for the CA UID coffee first posted about).

I do think the UID is a strong possible match. If the reddish patch on his nose -which matches the red spot on Rusty's nose- was due to skin cancer, it might have metastasized, resulting in loss of weight (Rusty's weight was estimated to be 190 to 240 lb. at the time of his disappearance; UID's 106 lb., estimated), and eventually in his death.

Height: Rusty: 70 to 74"; UID: 72", measured

Location: At least two public records search sites indicate Rusty's sister, VJH, has lived within an hour of where the CA UID was found (56 road miles), and so has Rusty.

Records also indicate Rusty was charged with petty theft and resisting arrest in May of '03 (another arrest in July of that year also, but no offense description is given).

So perhaps Rusty wasn't in FL all that long before he decided to go back to CA. LE should at least be able to find out when he started having his checks sent (or cashing them) there.

As to the tattoos ...: According to his NamUs profile, Rusty had three, whereas none are noted in the UID's profile. Coffee mentioned the possibility of the ME mistaking them for decomposing sarcoma. Any other possible explanation as to why a tattoo may go unnoticed during an autopsy?

Would it be a good idea to contact the investigator in the CA UID's case about Rusty being a possible match? Perhaps Detective Hess can reach out to the case manager with the San Berdino County Sheriff's Department?

I agree with the plausible match on the CA UID and Rusty. Along with the lesion on the nose I also see a barely discernible mole off the lower corner of the right eye which could be precancerous and would correspond with the lesion on the UID.
Also the eye distance, size and shape are close but difficult to tell with decomp. The nose bridge looks wider but the length looks comparable. The nostrils are difficult to compare and there may be damage from the lesion on the UID.
The distance between the eyebrows on the UID and the lowest forehead crease are similar IMO. As are the distances between the top lip and the nose ( as near as I can tell.)

I did a quick side - by side. The UID has been posted before so we know it is GRAPHIC.


Again **GRAPHIC** so scroll on if it's not your thing.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Steleheart - Yes, I think this poor gent is our #1 possibility.

 

[Steleheart]

BBM. Rusty has an arrest record (trespass) from 2004 in Osceola County, FL.

That doesn't mean he stayed there between 2004 and 2008, though.

I don't know if it's been mentioned but he's also been declared deceased by Osceola courts.

Can't direct link, but you can search from here.

https://courts.osceolaclerk.org/BenchmarkWeb/Home.aspx/Search

I'm not sure exactly what it means but it says the case is still open? Formal Probate but status still open

Case # 2016 CP 000214 PR

 

[Steleheart]

Steleheart - Yes, I think this poor gent is our #1 possibility.

One other conspicuous point is the lack of eyelashes in Both the CA UID and Rusty. The eyebrows are present and bushy in both photos but the lashes are scant if present at all. Red is often difficult to see but a quick search lists this article from NIH;

"There are numerous terms used to describe the isolated loss of eyelashes. Milphosis refers to the falling out of eyelashes.1,2 Although a synonymous term often used to describe eyelash loss from any cause,1,2,3 madarosis was originally used to describe eyelash loss resulting from a destructive process.4 Madarosis may also be used to describe loss of brow hairs."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2884829/

 

[Legally Bland]

I'm not sure exactly what it means but it says the case is still open? Formal Probate but status still open

Case # 2016 CP 000214 PR

I can only assume that he has been declared dead - death certificate issued in March this year, but probate hasn't been granted yet.

But it's a bit of an aside. I don't want to distract you guys from the great job you're doing trying to locate Rusty.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

BBM. Rusty has an arrest record (trespass) from 2004 in Osceola County, FL.

That doesn't mean he stayed there between 2004 and 2008, though.

I don't know if it's been mentioned but he's also been declared deceased by Osceola courts.

Can't direct link, but you can search from here.

https://courts.osceolaclerk.org/BenchmarkWeb/Home.aspx/Search

Thanks for the link, Bland.

So the death certificate was issued only months ago, on 3/24/2017, but it says the case is still open.

It also says the case is re: "THE ESTATE OF: HOLDERMAN, MARVIN L." It appears the younger of Rusty's two sons, CH, was the one who filed the petition in March, 2016. He is one of the two people who is listed as an "heir" to Rusty's estate, with the other being GH (whom I didn't even realize existed until now; he appears to be the oldest child of Rusty's, and has a different mother than CH - GH's mother's initials: AH; CH's mother's initials: VH).

So perhaps there is a conflict between the two sons as to who should inherit Rusty's estate, and the first step in trying to resolve the conflict was to have Rusty declared legally dead.

https://www.globaldiscoveries.com/E...an as heir to the Estate of Marvin Holderman

https://unclaimed-money.globaldisco...man as heir to the Estate of Marvin Holderman

But according to Detective Hess, it is "[Rusty's] sister [who] is looking for him and would like to bring him home." So, at least, Rusty the person hasn't been forgotten completely.

Now back to looking for a possible match ....

 

[Deleted member 202271]

I have seen several mixed-up situations like this in my work as an estate accountant. I'm not connected with LE in any way, but have dealt w/ hundreds of families as they settle estates of deceased relatives.
Something strikes me in a weird way about this case. There are some unusual "disconnects" and illogical assumptions with our premise (which has been handed to us by LE).
Maybe it's the fact that there's already a death certificate, or that essentially out of the blue there's an interest in either "bringing him home," or verifying whether he is in fact deceased.
Rusty is, IMOO, dead, wandering as a result of a confused mental state (dementia or drug-related confusion being the prime choices), or in hiding.
When I viewed the Mexico photo it left a distinct "in hiding" impression.
In Missouri back in the 60s there was a sort of similar case (I'll try to locate a citation for this and/or a name of the subject) where an old man "disappeared" because he felt someone was trying to cause him to have an "accidental" death. As a drifter, he was worth, via a trust fund, quite a bit of money. Alive, he was only able to draw a quarterly trust-fund check for living expenses. Upon his death, about a dozen people stood to have access to the entire fund amount, if I remember correctly appx $10k, a sizeable chunk of cash at that time. He disappeared into the Ozark woods bec/ he felt someone was, to put it bluntly, trying to knock him off and make it look like an accident.
Highly improbable that sort of thing is related to the present case, but I wanted to mention it bec/ whenever anyone with an active trust fund goes missing, there are always multiple scenarios to consider.
Not saying he's hiding in Mexico, but my gut tells me he is alive somewhere and probably very confused and/or frightened. Whether the fright is based on paranoia or reality, we'll find out eventually.

 

[rosesfromangels]

These are all very interesting insights.
While I agree that the motivation of family members raises eyebrows where money is involved, ill intent isn't always the case.
I knew a guy who passed away five years ago who was immensely gifted, a genius in his field. Unfortunately, he was also drug addicted, and ended up living that lifestyle and eventually became homeless, despite many other living options.

His family and large network of friends tried absolutely everything to get him help. There were periods of time where it looked like there was hope, but eventually he would go back out and resume his homeless lifestyle despite the pleas of the many that loved him. I think his pride would not let him surrender, or perhaps fear. We'll never know. When he became too ill to care for himself his family was able to scoop him off the streets and he spent his last week in a hospital surrounded by scores of adoring friends and family. There is still an active FB page where people post frequently.

So not all situations with money/homeless people result in family members trying to get their hands on their assets. Or in the case of the fellow I mentioned, they did, but it was for the many attempts for specialized care at various high end rehab centers.
So you never know.

Regardless, I hope all this great research that is being conducted proves useful in finding this fellow, and that his story has a better ending than the aforementioned.

 

[evelezrn]

Local here. 7 miles from Kissimmee. Y'all let me know if you need "legwork".

 

[coffeeandacig]

Just FYI (for whomever is doing the running spreadsheet):

07/09/2017
Namus UD #16019 https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/16019 Submitted to Det. Hess ( [email protected] )

Update for the spreadsheet:

7/10/2017
Received an email response from the detective, saying he "will look into it".

Just wanted to add my gratitude in receiving a response to a submission... (It almost never happens.)

 

[Spellbound]

Update for the spreadsheet:

7/10/2017
Received an email response from the detective, saying he "will look into it".

Just wanted to add my gratitude in receiving a response to a submission... (It almost never happens.)

Nice work, coffeeandacig, and all the rest of you who have put so much effort into this. Keep us updated on the progress.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Sorry, late as usual and probably already been posted but found these: http://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/l...dical-examiner/me11-6840finalfacial.jpg?la=en http://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/l...ments/medical-examiner/10-06799-(1).png?la=en

 

[Traymar]

Any possibility these remains could be related? It's not too far from Kissimmee.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20170703/osteen-man-finds-human-remains-while-mowing-lawn

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[GigTu]

Work interfered, so I didn't finish the spreadsheet today but I will tomorrow. Anything already posted will be included.

 

[NadirCake]

One other conspicuous point is the lack of eyelashes in Both the CA UID and Rusty. The eyebrows are present and bushy in both photos but the lashes are scant if present at all. Red is often difficult to see

RSBM

For what it's worth, my hubby has red hair very similar to Rusty's (as shown in the NamUs photo,) and his eyelashes are pale to the point of being white. They're extremely difficult to see in most photos.

 

[proctorelites]

Hey guys, I'm pretty new at searching for matches. I've expanded my search options to include earlier possible dates of death. I'm not sure who says they saw him, but it's possible someone else was cashing his check for years. I am interested to hear when his trust fund checks started. I ask bc if this was new to him he may have simply walked away from it, not wanting their money anymore. You know how ppl get w/ family. But if he'd been cashing them for years and years I'd be less inclined to consider that. Unless, they were pressuring him more recently for some reason & possibly pushed him to avoid the check & family. So here are my questions & maybe they can help while I'm searching databases. The states associated with his unclaimed estate are: WA., OR, CA. & Fl.

▪When was that picture of Rusty taken?
▪How did Rusty travel to Kissimmee,Fl. from California?
▪ How long was Rusty receiving.
& cashing his trust checks?
▪ When was he actually seen last, are we positive?
▪ What locations did Rusty actually live & visit over his lifetime (even as a small child or vacations)?
▪Did Rusty ever discuss a place he dreamed of visiting?
I'm scanning unclaimed & unidentified databases. Also glanced over Miracle Messages just in case. I'm only a year into searching matches for UID. So please everyone search as well bc I may totally overlook mounds of info. Idk if anybody knows these answers. I hope so, thanks everybody.

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[Skully]

I just want to say thank you to all of the WS people how that the time to help match the missing with IUD. I can tell you that you may be the only ones looking for some of these people. Not because LE doesn't care, far from it. The amount of work and time these detectives put into the cases are amazing, I know first hand. Many times cases go cold or get put back on a shelf are because at the time there was no evidence, DNA, leads, and time is so scare in so many of these departments. So a current murder, rape, drug deal, .... it gets the attention. These guys care, but when you have 10 or 15 major crimes a yr, and for some that is low, you can't spend all you time digging into some of the cold ones, if you don't have a dedicated cold case detective on staff. So you guys rock. And all of the cases you submit, even if it is not a match, NAMUS will check to see if there is DNA or a relative to submit, if it hasn't been done. Many times it give a new look at an old case. So thank you again for all the ones that can't speak.