Henry Lee's comment on the Touch DNA

[DeeDee249]

There was only JBR's blood in the panties. The intruder DNA was mixed with her DNA, but there was NO other blood in the panties or anywhere else that did not belong to JBR. That foreign DNA could easily have gotten mixed with hers if she put her hands on a toilet seat or toilet handle, or doorknob in the White's home (or even her own home) and then, because JBR was known to dislike washing her hands (PR's own admission), transferred the foreign male skin cells to her own clothes. There were kids over playing Christmas Day in the R home- there were lots of people in that home for the R party on the 23rd. Every male known to be in the R home since the 23rd and at the White's that day, including children, needs to be matched to that "foreign male" DNA. DON'T call it the "killer's" DNA. It could belong to someone who was in either home in the days before the murder.

 

[Roy23]

There was only JBR's blood in the panties. The intruder DNA was mixed with her DNA, but there was NO other blood in the panties or anywhere else that did not belong to JBR. That foreign DNA could easily have gotten mixed with hers if she put her hands on a toilet seat or toilet handle, or doorknob in the White's home (or even her own home) and then, because JBR was known to dislike washing her hands (PR's own admission), transferred the foreign male skin cells to her own clothes. There were kids over playing Christmas Day in the R home- there were lots of people in that home for the R party on the 23rd. Every male known to be in the R home since the 23rd and at the White's that day, including children, needs to be matched to that "foreign male" DNA. DON'T call it the "killer's" DNA. It could belong to someone who was in either home in the days before the murder.

This option got trashed away as nonsense when the touch DNA came back as a match. Don't listen to my expertise on it but the article that Ames brought to us today. Real sleuthers have to pay attention to the evidence and be reasonable but it is not happening here. Dave thinks a ton of other evidence is being ignored at least by myself but he has totally discounted FBI and private labs that are experts in their field. I would be open to be a part of the Ramsey lynching crew if it were not for the FACT that explaining away MAJOR DNA evidence as toilet seats and inspector 13 from Haynes. It was a possibility at one time but not anymore.

 

[Roy23]

You might not like the answers.

Given what he has said in the past, including in his own books, then placed against what he is saying here in the article, it's clear to me that he's saying that it's only the DA's interpretation of this new evidence that it came from an intruder. And given what we know about the DA in this case, (an issue you have avoided thus far), that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

Dave,

Friend to friend. A publisher will not give you the time of day until you respect the DNA evidence from the experts perspective. That is my opinion.

 

[BBB167893]

This option got trashed away as nonsense when the touch DNA came back as a match.

Not necessarily, according to the criminologist Bill O'Reilly talked to.

Real sleuthers have to pay attention to the evidence and be reasonable but it is not happening here.

I'll say.

Dave thinks a ton of other evidence is being ignored at least by myself

Not only you. The DA as well.

but he has totally discounted FBI and private labs that are experts in their field.

What are you talking about? The FBI told the cops to arrest them. The FBI was one of the agencies working with the police who the DA has cut out of the action. I'm not the one discounting anything. You won't even address my points.

I would be open to be a part of the Ramsey lynching crew

If there is a lynching crew, I assure you I know nothing of it. I know a lot of people interested in justice.

if it were not for the FACT that explaining away MAJOR DNA evidence as toilet seats and inspector 13 from Haynes. It was a possibility at one time but not anymore.

There are still multiple possibilities.

 

[BBB167893]

Dave,

Friend to friend. A publisher will not give you the time of day until you respect the DNA evidence from the experts perspective. That is my opinion.

Don't change the subject. You've avoided discussing the DA's conduct in this case up to now. If you knew about the kinds of things being pulled here, you might not be so quick to tout this "new" DNA finding.

And I have respected it from their perspective: several forensics experts have weighed in on this, saying that it's not nearly enough to prove an intruder.

It can't be dated. That is a fact. There's still no test that can tell when it was left or how.

 

[JMO8778]

Don't you find it odd..that an "intruder" singled out John and his family...because the "intruder" was jealous of him. Of all the rich people in this country...the intruder singles out John..and kills his daughter...WHY? Wouldn't you think that someone out for revenge or that was jealous...would want John to KNOW that they were the one that killed his daughter. The reason that there is no DNA in the National DNA Database, is because this person has only struck once?? No other case even resembles this one...don't you find that strange. What about all of the other rich people out there with kids...why hasn't the intruder targeted them? Because there was NO intruder....that's why.

it would be more likely an intruder would kill the person he was jealous of,or his son...who might follow in his father's footsteps someday.
but yet the 'ransom note' says they respect his business,but not the USA..hmm,so why kill his daughter,why not the President's, or anyone w some political power, JR wasn't some famous person or someone high in authority!

 

[Roy23]

it would be more likely an intruder would kill the person he was jealous of,or his son...who might follow in his father's footsteps someday.
but yet the 'ransom note' says they respect his business,but not the USA..hmm,so why kill his daughter,why not the President's, or anyone w some political power, JR wasn't some famous person or someone high in authority!

It doesn't matter. Making sense of the ransom note that doesn't make sense to begin with doesn't prove a thing. It is just irrelevant right now to LE.

 

[BBB167893]

It doesn't matter. Making sense of the ransom note that doesn't make sense to begin with doesn't prove a thing. It is just irrelevant right now to LE.

Are you honestly trying to tell us that the DA should ignore the ransom note?

I got to hear this!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

It doesn't matter. Making sense of the ransom note that doesn't make sense to begin with doesn't prove a thing. It is just irrelevant right now to LE.

How do you know its irrelevant to LE? I know its irrelevant to RDI theorists, those who have made up their mind that the RN is 'bogus' because 'JBR was found dead so it wasn't a kidnapping'.

I've heard of LE and FBI who have stated that the RN is the single most important piece of evidence. It is handwritten, and even RDI believes it was written by someone who was there that night and was involved in JBR's murder. Like the DNA, the RN and its expressions and handwriting could someday be matched to its owner. Then the RN would probably make more sense to you.

 

[BBB167893]

How do you know its irrelevant to LE? I know its irrelevant to RDI theorists, those who have made up their mind that the RN is 'bogus' because 'JBR was found dead so it wasn't a kidnapping'.

I've heard of LE and FBI who have stated that the RN is the single most important piece of evidence. It is handwritten, and even RDI believes it was written by someone who was there that night and was involved in JBR's murder. Like the DNA, the RN and its expressions and handwriting could someday be matched to its owner. Then the RN would probably make more sense to you.

Holdon, for once I'm with you!

Trouble is, LE already has a pretty good idea as to who wrote it.

And the fact that JB was found is only ONE reason why we (including the FBI) say it's bogus.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdon, for once I'm with you!

Trouble is, LE already has a pretty good idea as to who wrote it.

And the fact that JB was found is only ONE reason why we (including the FBI) say it's bogus.

Fact is, those most closely involved in the case, those responsible for the investigation, and those who have access to unreleased information, and myself, now believe an intruder came into the R household and murdered JBR. I realize that once bitten, its almost impossible to see the other side ever again.

 

[BBB167893]

Fact is, those most closely involved in the case, those responsible for the investigation, and those who have access to unreleased information, and myself, now believe an intruder came into the R household and murdered JBR.

That might mean something if they weren't all hand-picked by a pro-Ramsey DA who made up her mind on Day One without viewing any evidence. And that's not just my opinion.

Larry Schiller: What do they have against the Ramseys? Well they have their inconsistent statements, which one need not go into because they're numerous, they have the fact that they start from the ransom note which the BPD believe through their experts and certain scientific evidence which I can't discuss on the air, that PR may have been the author of that note. They've had linguistic experts that have compared things that have been said within the Ramsey families previous writings.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Ames,

You can't fake DNA. It is time to let it go. Your article shows that it is over. If you want to make the Ramsey's guilty then do it by association. Some other person killed JBR. They have his blood. They have his skin cells. The police had it for 6 years trying to make excuses for it. You are too smart not to say that somebody else did not physically hurt JBR. They have proved that much.

You're right, Roy. They reported that the DNA was mixed in with JBR's blood. If the report is true then it should prove to any reasonable person that JBR was hurt by the owner of the DNA.

 

[Roy23]

How do you know its irrelevant to LE? I know its irrelevant to RDI theorists, those who have made up their mind that the RN is 'bogus' because 'JBR was found dead so it wasn't a kidnapping'.

I've heard of LE and FBI who have stated that the RN is the single most important piece of evidence. It is handwritten, and even RDI believes it was written by someone who was there that night and was involved in JBR's murder. Like the DNA, the RN and its expressions and handwriting could someday be matched to its owner. Then the RN would probably make more sense to you.

I am not saying it is not important. I am saying that with the new evidence, it is so far on the backburner as far as solving this case. At this point, the DNA is a single factor that dominates this case. Until that is resolved, the note is out of play

 

[BBB167893]

I am not saying it is not important. I am saying that with the new evidence, it is so far on the backburner as far as solving this case. At this point, the DNA is a single factor that dominates this case. Until that is resolved, the note is out of play

So, it means nothing to you at all who the most likely writer is?

 

[Roy23]

So, it means nothing to you at all who the most likely writer is?

Absolutely not. I just don't think that Patsy is most likely the writer.

 

[BBB167893]

Absolutely not. I just don't think that Patsy is most likely the writer.

Well, the police and FBI who investigated the case do. I know that.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I am not saying it is not important. I am saying that with the new evidence, it is so far on the backburner as far as solving this case. At this point, the DNA is a single factor that dominates this case. Until that is resolved, the note is out of play

True, backburner. Out of play. Good luck with that DNA sample finding its foreign owner who doesn't want to be found. Its going to take more than a computer database for that one! IOW if you assume the DNA owner is remote, then the only possible solution for the case is the RN. I also believe its not that complicated. The RN is political, to the left. JR is to the right. It was discussed and agreed between RDI and IDI on another thread that this is the case.

 

[BBB167893]

True, backburner. Out of play. Good luck with that DNA sample finding its foreign owner who doesn't want to be found. Its going to take more than a computer database for that one! IOW if you assume the DNA owner is remote, then the only possible solution for the case is the RN. I also believe its not that complicated. The RN is political, to the left. JR is to the right. It was discussed and agreed between RDI and IDI on another thread that this is the case.

Actually, you asked, and I answered. I hardly see how we agreed on anything.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Well, the police and FBI who investigated the case do. I know that.

US Secret Service stated "no evidence to indicate that Patsy Ramsey executed any of the questioned material ...