Henry Lee's comment on the Touch DNA

[Roy23]

True, backburner. Out of play. Good luck with that DNA sample finding its foreign owner who doesn't want to be found. Its going to take more than a computer database for that one! IOW if you assume the DNA owner is remote, then the only possible solution for the case is the RN. I also believe its not that complicated. The RN is political, to the left. JR is to the right. It was discussed and agreed between RDI and IDI on another thread that this is the case.

Hat,

I believe that the owner will of the DNA will be found. As a matter of fact, I know it will. The writer of the note would never be found, until they had a suspect. And I can guarantee you they will be looking at DNA before looking at an inexact science of Handwriting analysis.

 

[Ames]

Ames,

You can't fake DNA. It is time to let it go. Your article shows that it is over. If you want to make the Ramsey's guilty then do it by association. Some other person killed JBR. They have his blood. They have his skin cells. The police had it for 6 years trying to make excuses for it. You are too smart not to say that somebody else did not physically hurt JBR. They have proved that much.

Thanks for saying that I am too smart. I appreciate that...

Yes, they do have some skin cells, they do not have HIS blood, though. And nobody can say for 100 percent certain that those skin cells that were found, actually belong to the intruder/killer. IMO...they have not proved that somebody else physically hurt JBR. Until we know WHEN that touch dna was left...then we cannot say for certain that it belonged to an intruder.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Actually, you asked, and I answered. I hardly see how we agreed on anything.

Right, they didn't. Think about that.



It was an attempt to sound like a far-leftist by someone who had no idea what they were doing. Politics is one of my hobbies. I've never heard the extremist left sound like that. Although, I will grant that once you get to those fringes, the language starts to sound very familiar. I mean, Ron Paul's not that far away from Ward Churchill, but I digress.

We do agree that it was left, only you think it was fake left while I believe it is real left. We agreed its left, no?

 

[BBB167893]

US Secret Service stated "no evidence to indicate that Patsy Ramsey executed any of the questioned material ...

Larry Schiller stated "they start from the ransom note which the BPD believe through their experts and certain scientific evidence which I can't discuss on the air, that PR may have been the author of that note. They've had linguistic experts that have compared things that have been said within the Ramsey families previous writings."

Chet Ubowski stated "The analysis of the handwriting samples obtained from Patsy Ramsey showed 'indications' which suggest that Patsy Ramsey may have written the reported ransom note." He also stated the Secret Service failed to examine "the full range of her handwriting." Out of 100 people he analyzed for the Boulder Police Department, he found ONLY ONE person whom he thought may have authored the document, Patsy Ramsey. "Investigative sources tell Fox News that the disguised letters and bleeding ink from the felt tipped pen used to write the note kept him from 100 percent ID of Mrs. Ramsey." "The police never bothered to ask Ubowski if he had put his entire analysis of the ransom note into his report. Either way, Ubowski was prepared to say, 'Patsy wrote the note.' The CBI saw this as another missed opportunity" He also told Pete Mang, his boss at the CBI, that his gut told him it was her handwriting"

Speckin reportedly was ready to testify that "there was only an infinitesimal chance that some random intruder would have handwriting characteristics so remarkably similar to those of a parent sleeping upstairs."

I can keep this up quite a while!

 

[BBB167893]

We do agree that it was left, only you think it was fake left while I believe it is real left. We agreed its left, no?

Glad you remembered!

If it's fake left, than that's hardly an agreement, wouldn't you say?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hat,

I believe that the owner will of the DNA will be found. As a matter of fact, I know it will. The writer of the note would never be found, until they had a suspect. And I can guarantee you they will be looking at DNA before looking at an inexact science of Handwriting analysis.

I don't believe the DNA owner will be found by DNA match alone. The DNA owner will never be found until they have a suspect and then test his DNA. This is because the DNA owner is remote, doesn't want to be found, and isn't in the database.

Handwriting analysis isn't the only thing you can do with the RN. It has a wealth of information because of its length and unusual expressions.

 

[BBB167893]

Handwriting analysis isn't the only thing you can do with the RN. It has a wealth of information because of its length and unusual expressions.

Wow, that's twice in one day!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Glad you remembered!

If it's fake left, than that's hardly an agreement, wouldn't you say?

Its clear to both of us the note is left and JR is right. You could even add that to your case facts thread if you want. Whether or not its real left or fake left is another argument.

 

[BBB167893]

Its clear to both of us the note is left and JR is right. You could even add that to your case facts thread if you want.

You mean the one at the top of the forum? If so, it's not really MY thread, you know.

Whether or not its real left or fake left is another argument.

Isn't that the truth!

Incidentally, I came across a story about the FALN. They're Puerto Rican radicals who operate in the US. In 1975, they committed the Fraunces Tavern bombing. Here's what they said:

FALN bragged about the bloodbath, calling the victims "reactionary corporate executives" and threatening: "You have unleashed a storm from which you comfortable Yankees can't escape."

I just bring that up to show what a real leftist radical sounds like. Take it or leave it.

 

[Ames]

it would be more likely an intruder would kill the person he was jealous of,or his son...who might follow in his father's footsteps someday.
but yet the 'ransom note' says they respect his business,but not the USA..hmm,so why kill his daughter,why not the President's, or anyone w some political power, JR wasn't some famous person or someone high in authority!

Right on! Or kill PATSY! Why JB? And yeah..you're right, its not as if he was some Hollywood celebrity, or the President.

 

[Roy23]

I don't believe the DNA owner will be found by DNA match alone. The DNA owner will never be found until they have a suspect and then test his DNA. This is because the DNA owner is remote, doesn't want to be found, and isn't in the database.

Handwriting analysis isn't the only thing you can do with the RN. It has a wealth of information because of its length and unusual expressions.

That is a possibility. Codis is a long long way from being complete. You say the owner is remote and you may or may not be right. Obviously, he is not in the system but many are not as of yet. We don't even know if a match has been made to another crime or not. The real world is not like a CSI episode and Codis is still a work in progress. Besides Zodiac, eventually his mouth or something stupid will happen. And they will test his DNA or it will just happen to be put in the system.

Now my opinion is that you are right in that he is remote. I think he was very young and lives in the boulder community. I guess we have to wait and see. I long for the day.

 

[Ames]

That is a possibility. Codis is a long long way from being complete. You say the owner is remote and you may or may not be right. Obviously, he is not in the system but many are not as of yet. We don't even know if a match has been made to another crime or not. The real world is not like a CSI episode and Codis is still a work in progress. Besides Zodiac, eventually his mouth or something stupid will happen. And they will test his DNA or it will just happen to be put in the system.

Now my opinion is that you are right in that he is remote. I think he was very young and lives in the boulder community. I guess we have to wait and see. I long for the day.

My guess is that you will be dead and buried before ANYONE is arrested for this crime, and it probably will not happen even then.

 

[Roy23]

My guess is that you will be dead and buried before ANYONE is arrested for this crime, and it probably will not happen even then.

Ames,

I really don't believe that. Not many killers or sex abusers perform one act and are finished. They either talk or get caught. I also believe that we are two months into a whole new investigation even though they have had
one form of a foreign DNA for some time now. No matter what any of us believes, the focus on the case has narrowed to a suspect besides the Ramsey's. And they will continue to investigate it as such. For those who want justice, I think we will get it.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

My guess is that you will be dead and buried before ANYONE is arrested for this crime, and it probably will not happen even then.

Uh, no. I'm far more optimistic than that. There's a ton of evidence. DNA, handwriting, the murder victim, the murder weapon. Its only a matter of time, and not that much time.

 

[Ames]

You might not like the answers.

Given what he has said in the past, including in his own books, then placed against what he is saying here in the article, it's clear to me that he's saying that it's only the DA's interpretation of this new evidence that it came from an intruder. And given what we know about the DA in this case, (an issue you have avoided thus far), that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

EXACTLY!!! Thank you! I have been trying to tell him this, and he will not listen.

 

[Ames]

Ames,

I really don't believe that. Not many killers or sex abusers perform one act and are finished. They either talk or get caught. I also believe that we are two months into a whole new investigation even though they have had
one form of a foreign DNA for some time now. No matter what any of us believes, the focus on the case has narrowed to a suspect besides the Ramsey's. And they will continue to investigate it as such. For those who want justice, I think we will get it.

If they haven't talked or gotten caught in 12 years....then they never will. IMO

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

That is a possibility. Codis is a long long way from being complete. You say the owner is remote and you may or may not be right. Obviously, he is not in the system but many are not as of yet. We don't even know if a match has been made to another crime or not. The real world is not like a CSI episode and Codis is still a work in progress. Besides Zodiac, eventually his mouth or something stupid will happen. And they will test his DNA or it will just happen to be put in the system.

Now my opinion is that you are right in that he is remote. I think he was very young and lives in the boulder community. I guess we have to wait and see. I long for the day.

Its very likely the perp is foreign, and that makes him remote. ESL student predominates the note, and the themes are adult. The author is whatever age 'fat cat' would make sense in referencing a rich republican. I have never, ever heard any young person using that term for anything. Its an expression of an older person. So is 'attache'.

 

[JMO8778]

Thanks for saying that I am too smart. I appreciate that...

Yes, they do have some skin cells, they do not have HIS blood, though. And nobody can say for 100 percent certain that those skin cells that were found, actually belong to the intruder/killer. IMO...they have not proved that somebody else physically hurt JBR. Until we know WHEN that touch dna was left...then we cannot say for certain that it belonged to an intruder.

not only that,but if it's the killer's dna mixed w JB's blood..then shouldn't the LJ's be bloody,too?! after all,said intruder pulled them back up,in the IDI scenario....can anyone explain this? can anyone explain why on earth an intruder would bother to hang around long enough to do this anyway,after JB screamed? and to be so tidy as to put the flashlight back upstairs,and the grate back into position? devoid of all common sense,is the only way I could buy this scenario!

 

[JMO8778]

Its very likely the perp is foreign, and that makes him remote. ESL student predominates the note, and the themes are adult. The author is whatever age 'fat cat' would make sense in referencing a rich republican. I have never, ever heard any young person using that term for anything. Its an expression of an older person. So is 'attache'.

..Patsy was almost 40..not a young person.

 

[JMO8778]

Right on! Or kill PATSY! Why JB? And yeah..you're right, its not as if he was some Hollywood celebrity, or the President.

Clinton was Pres. at the time...so why wouldn't this said intruder go after his daughter instead? heck,she was said to be a few blocks away from the WTC on 9/11...but no one was interested in her.
for that matter,they weren't even interested in Hillary! (no jokes,please,I'm just trying to prove a point here,thanks ),or former Pres. Clinton.