Henry Lee's comment on the Touch DNA

[angelwngs]

LOL. Ames, wanna meet me later for a drink?



I'd like to discuss with you how often I have observed males open the refridgerator and look inside it and say, "Where is the _________?", (fill in the blank). It never stops amazing me how, in general mind you, males continuiously ask a female where something that they last had in their hands is..."Where is my key to the lawn mower?", etc., knowing fullwell that the female hasn't touched the item that they are looking for... Amazingly, the female almost always knows exactly where the item is or can find it within a span of 2 minutes.

And to think, 99 point something % of all detectives in this case are males.

I wonder if there has ever been a study done on crime scene investigation by gender with the results of 'found evidence' statistics tallied....

I am not 'male bashing', here. I am just observing and taking note of what I see.

(On the other hand, in the onset of LE entering and securing a crime scene for its duration, it seems that most often a male in charge seems to be more forceful in properly securing the scene and handling the public at the scene than a female alone with a group of onlookers actively contaminating a crime scene...) Humm...

 

[Ames]

LOL. Ames, wanna meet me later for a drink?



I'd like to discuss with you how often I have observed males open the refigerator and look inside it and say, "Where is the _________?", (fill in the blank). It never stops amazing me how, in general mind you, males continuiously ask a female where something that they last had in their hands is..."Where is my key to the lawn mower?", etc., knowing fullwell that the female hasn't touched the item that they are looking for... Amazingly, the female almost always knows exactly where the item is or can find it within a span of 2 minutes.

And to think, 99 point something % of all detectives in this case are males.

I wonder if there has ever been a study done on crime scene investigation by gender with the results of 'found evidence' statistics tallied....

I am not 'male bashing', here. I am just observing and taking note of what I see.

(On the other hand, in the onset of LE entering and securing a crime scene for its duration, it seems that most often a male in charge seems to be more forceful in properly securing the scene and handling the public at the scene than a female alone with a group of onlookers actively contaminating a crime scene...) Humm...

LOL...sure!

Hey, my DH does that all the time (does DH, on message boards, stand for darling husband..or da*n husband, LOL...just wondering). He can never find his wallet or keys, so of course, he asks ME what I did with them.

 

[angelwngs]

LOL...sure!

Hey, my DH does that all the time (does DH, on message boards, stand for darling husband..or da*n husband, LOL...just wondering). He can never find his wallet or keys, so of course, he asks ME what I did with them.

:crazy: .

So do you think that it can be generalized that it is gender specific that males often are more innately talented than females at certain tasks and vice versa?

If so, then WHY don't male detectives secure the crime scenes...and whatever and then turn the search and retreval of evidence over to their obcessively, analytical female counterparts????

(BTW, everyone, I am not quite as stupid as my posts appear. LOL. My keyboard is shot and dropping letters right and left... Time for a new one!)

 

[Ames]

:crazy: .

So do you think that it can be generalized that it is gender specific that males often are more innately talented than females at certain tasks and vice versa?

If so, then WHY don't male detectives secure the crime scenes...and whatever and then turn the search and retreval of evidence over to their obcessively, analytical female counterparts????

(BTW, everyone, I am not quite as stupid as my posts appear. LOL. My keyboard is shot and dropping letters right and left... Time for a new one!)

Oh FOR SURE!

 

[BBB167893]

Nancy Grace not giving a straight out opinion, huh. To you that may not say much. She is really so good at apologizing. Those Duke boys can attest to that. :crazy:

Weird, isn't it? It might have something to do with Wood.

 

[BBB167893]

Holdon, even EXPERTS said that she was wrapped "lovingly, like someone that CARED for her would wrap her", that is not something the RDI's just pulled out of thin air. You have NEVER explained to me, how Patsy's fibers ended up UNDERNEATH the tape over JB's mouth, in the paint tote...and ENTWINED in the garotte? OH BUT YET...no other fibers from Patsy were found any other place on JB. What about Johns shirt fibers found inside her crotch area? I guess the members of the Foreign Faction...that came to kidnap her and take her away to be married (at 6 years old ), planted all of that fiber evidence to frame the parents?

Damn, you beat me to it.

 

[Ames]

Damn, you beat me to it.

Great minds......

 

[angelwngs]

...and she knows LW.

Weird, isn't it? It might have something to do with Wood.

SD to Ames-

Damn, you beat me to it.

So did I... Nanner-Nanner...boo-boo... Just goes to show there is a 1st for everything. :crazy:

 

[BBB167893]

SD to Ames-

So did I... Nanner-Nanner...boo-boo... Just goes to show there is a 1st for everything. :crazy:

Always nice to know I'm in good company.

 

[Ames]

SD to Ames-

So did I... Nanner-Nanner...boo-boo... Just goes to show there is a 1st for everything. :crazy:

:floorlaugh:

 

[Roy23]

Weird, isn't it? It might have something to do with Wood.

I guess so.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdon, even EXPERTS said that she was wrapped "lovingly, like someone that CARED for her would wrap her", that is not something the RDI's just pulled out of thin air. You have NEVER explained to me, how Patsy's fibers ended up UNDERNEATH the tape over JB's mouth, in the paint tote...and ENTWINED in the garotte? OH BUT YET...no other fibers from Patsy were found any other place on JB. What about Johns shirt fibers found inside her crotch area? I guess the members of the Foreign Faction...that came to kidnap her and take her away to be married (at 6 years old ), planted all of that fiber evidence to frame the parents?

I'm not disagreeing with that. In fact, I already posted that the intruder perp coveted JBR, so the idea that she appeared taken care of or wrapped in a caring way doesn't surprise this IDI. But where, for the nth time, does the duct tape fit in? Its not staging for a murder, like RDI says the 2nd ligature, garrote, and everything else is. Its an outcast to the RDI theory, and for good reason: It belongs in the 'wrap her up, keep her quiet, and take her to the car' theory.

 

[DeeDee249]

:crazy: .

So do you think that it can be generalized that it is gender specific that males often are more innately talented than females at certain tasks and vice versa?

If so, then WHY don't male detectives secure the crime scenes...and whatever and then turn the search and retreval of evidence over to their obcessively, analytical female counterparts????

(BTW, everyone, I am not quite as stupid as my posts appear. LOL. My keyboard is shot and dropping letters right and left... Time for a new one!)

Everyone knows the uterus is a tracking device. That explains it, for sure!

 

[JMO8778]

I'm not disagreeing with that. In fact, I already posted that the intruder perp coveted JBR, so the idea that she appeared taken care of or wrapped in a caring way doesn't surprise this IDI. But where, for the nth time, does the duct tape fit in? Its not staging for a murder, like RDI says the 2nd ligature, garrote, and everything else is. Its an outcast to the RDI theory, and for good reason: It belongs in the 'wrap her up, keep her quiet, and take her to the car' theory.

that square bit of tape that had lip print impressions on it that showed JB never even fought against it??? despite the fact that a scream was heard??and it had Patsy's fiber evidence on it as well??? you admitted at one point her fiber evidence was important.
it was obviously applied after death,as a prop,and it wouldn't have stopped her from screaming;it wasn't done as a real criminal would have done it..it would have taken 30 secs. or less to bound and gag a small,sleeping child..with the gag or tape going ALL the way around her head,not just a square piece over her mouth only..that's just silly.it's as silly as thinking an intruder wouldn't have had a firm plan in place and executed it accordingly,getting JB OUT of the house,ASAP!

 

[Ames]

I'm not disagreeing with that. In fact, I already posted that the intruder perp coveted JBR, so the idea that she appeared taken care of or wrapped in a caring way doesn't surprise this IDI. But where, for the nth time, does the duct tape fit in? Its not staging for a murder, like RDI says the 2nd ligature, garrote, and everything else is. Its an outcast to the RDI theory, and for good reason: It belongs in the 'wrap her up, keep her quiet, and take her to the car' theory.

No, it belongs to the Ramsey's trying desperately to stage a crime scene threory. Holdon, the tape wasn't even real sticky, it was if it had been taken off of something else, and then placed over her mouth. Tan fibers were found on the sticky side, so whatever it was stuck to, before it was used on her mouth, was tan.

One other thing, how did the perp know JB well enough to "covet" her?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

that square bit of tape that had lip print impressions on it that showed JB never even fought against it??? despite the fact that a scream was heard??and it had Patsy's fiber evidence on it as well??? you admitted at one point her fiber evidence was important.
it was obviously applied after death,as a prop,and it wouldn't have stopped her from screaming;it wasn't done as a real criminal would have done it..it would have taken 30 secs. or less to bound and gag a small,sleeping child..with the gag or tape going ALL the way around her head,not just a square piece over her mouth only..that's just silly.it's as silly as thinking an intruder wouldn't have had a firm plan in place and executed it accordingly,getting JB OUT of the house,ASAP!

As a prop for what? A murder? RDI thinks they can have everything. They've got props for murder, props for kidnapping, and 'everything thrown in but the kitchen sink' which is really just a wildcard excuse for being unable to explain crime scene phenomenon.

Again I ask, what was the tape a prop for???

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No, it belongs to the Ramsey's trying desperately to stage a crime scene threory. Holdon, the tape wasn't even real sticky, it was if it had been taken off of something else, and then placed over her mouth. Tan fibers were found on the sticky side, so whatever it was stuck to, before it was used on her mouth, was tan.

One other thing, how did the perp know JB well enough to "covet" her?

Can't get more vague than that, Ames. To stage a crime scene of what? A murder or a kidnapping? A murder and a kidnapping? An attempted kidnapping?

 

[BBB167893]

But where, for the nth time, does the duct tape fit in? Its not staging for a murder, like RDI says the 2nd ligature, garrote, and everything else is. Its an outcast to the RDI theory, and for good reason: It belongs in the 'wrap her up, keep her quiet, and take her to the car' theory.

Are you kidding? We've said for years that the duct tape was part of the staging.

 

[BBB167893]

As a prop for what? A murder?

A kidnapping gone bad.

RDI thinks they can have everything.

Hey, we're not the ones claiming these elements are staging. The police and FBI are. As in, the people whose job it is to be able to tell the difference between a real crime scene and a phony one.
It's clear that the duct tape was put on after JB was dead:

1. It was only a small square, not even a full strip.
2. It had JB's dried mucous under it, so she'd most likely been dead for some time.
3. It had a perfect set of lip imprints. JB made no attempt to fight or yell for help.

What more do you need?

They've got props for murder, props for kidnapping, and 'everything thrown in but the kitchen sink' which is really just a wildcard excuse for being unable to explain crime scene phenomenon.

Tell that to the Feds, the guys who handle these crimes every day, who are trained to know what is real and what is not. They even used the term "staging within staging." That's not us saying that.

You seem to be overlooking one very important thing: in order to know what staging looks like in the FIRST PLACE, you have to know what a real crime scene looks like. It's not enough to just say, "oh, this was staged," and be done with it; not by a long shot.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

A kidnapping gone bad.



Hey, we're not the ones claiming these elements are staging. The police and FBI are. As in, the people whose job it is to be able to tell the difference between a real crime scene and a phony one.
It's clear that the duct tape was put on after JB was dead:

1. It was only a small square, not even a full strip.
2. It had JB's dried mucous under it, so she'd most likely been dead for some time.
3. It had a perfect set of lip imprints. JB made no attempt to fight or yell for help.

What more do you need?



Tell that to the Feds, the guys who handle these crimes every day, who are trained to know what is real and what is not. They even used the term "staging within staging." That's not us saying that.

You seem to be overlooking one very important thing: in order to know what staging looks like in the FIRST PLACE, you have to know what a real crime scene looks like. It's not enough to just say, "oh, this was staged," and be done with it; not by a long shot.

Can you list one LE, FBI, etc., that said this was staging of 'a kidnapping gone bad,' or is this your idea?

Or was it enough for you that LE just called it 'staging' without any elaboration?