GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #1

[Mamamerced]

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217392837830814032642.0004f27c34f418f269993&msa=0

According to this Map, if I am reading it correctly, the items were not found near the SUV or near Twin Falls. Am I mistaken? Is there a better map? We have nothing concrete relating to Twin Falls, do we? Just his mention of it?

The clothes were found, I think, near Keanae which is also where SC's vehicle was supposedly broken down. Why plant the clothes as a red herring there if they contained blood/ bone evidence of C and J's murders? :waitasec:

 

[Napili]

The clothes were found, I think, near Keanae which is also where SC's vehicle was supposedly broken down. Why plant the clothes as a red herring if they contained blood/ bone evidence of C and J's murders? :waitasec:

Hi..I tried to delete that post after discovering that I'd completely misread it. So please disregard. :facepalm:Chagrine.

 

[Kapua]

Welcome Napili!

I think that with the scarce evidence that has been made public, we can construct several possible crime scenarios. I am not ruling out anything yet. Some observations: Anyone travelling Hana Hwy @ night or even roads in Haiku would be paying attention to their own driving. SC would not have to worry too much about being seen or caught. I don't imagine that he was speeding, under the circumstances. Also, I don't know what he was driving when he got his DUI, but if an officer saw him driving Charli's SUV and ran the plates, there would be no offenses linked to her vehicle. So it would have been safer for him to drive her vehicle than a vehicle that could be traced back to him. Maybe "his" truck was still registered to his friend Trevor, in which case he'd not attract attention from a routine plate check in either vehicle.

 

[Ghostwheel]

About the mysterious asterisks, nothing on my text. I checked my original (cut n paste) but I'll look again.

Well, I meant to have the hypothetical scenario be SC (or someone) using his Truck and NOT the SUV, to leave said trail. Sorry for being unclear.

I don't understand why Twin Fall would be the place to look. "...since that is where SC pointed LE at to prove his story." Can you clarify that? Do you mean that he seemed to imply that that's where something bad happened to Charlie? I just keep thinking, we have no evidence that Charlie was even there. The items found just seem tell fractured, conflicting, stories--to me, that says planted. Not to be trusted.

Using the SUV to plant clues would lend credence to SC and Charlie going to Keanae. If anyone saw the SUV traveling the road (on those curves, you aren't usually looking at the driver, just the car), SC could say that was when he and Charli were going to get his truck. I don't discount that another vehicle could be used.

If SC is trying to make everyone believe his story, so much so that he is planting evidence in a place where Charli should not be, then his story should also point to the place where she SHOULD be, and it wasn't his fault anything happened to her because he lost sight of her at that time (implying that something happened to her after he lost sight of her). The fact that he specifically mentions Twin Falls says (to me) that that is where to start looking. Especially since Twin Falls used to be a place where everyone is welcome (I think it still is, but it sure used to be).

If someone else is planting the items, trying to implicate SC, why?

By my thinking, we have the following possibilities:
Something happened to Charli before leaving with SC to Keanae-SC must have knowledge in that case.
Something happened to Charli at the place where SC got his truck "stuck"-SC must have knowledge in that case.
Something happened to Charli on the way home from where the truck was stuck-if between the truck location and Twin Falls, SC would have knowledge. If after Twin Falls, SC might or might not have knowledge.

Logically speaking, there is no reason for SC to plant anything near where his truck was "stuck" (I use quotes, since I don't know what that exactly means), as that would point to him being guilty.

If he did plant anything there, knowing there was nothing to find and assuming that everyone would consider him guilty and continue looking there, the next logical place to look would be where he indicated he last saw Charlie, thereby "proving" that she made it that far coming back (it doesn't prove that at all). Of course, anywhere from there back to Charli's house would be fair game, but Twin Falls would be the starting place to search. (he could have said "Jaws" or anyplace else, but didn't) Having a body in that area is the only thing that would really make SC's story make any sense. (If we take the dog out of the equation)

Again, approaching this from a logical angle (which may be all wrong), if Charli broke down between Twin Falls and home, something happened to her and her car was stripped and taken to the car graveyard, you would not likely find her body on the way back to Hana. It'd be dumped nearby. That's why I don't think it was some stranger who did this. People there don't kill for cars. People there don't kill someone abandoned on the side of the road, especially not one with a dog. The best I can think of was she was walking and someone hit her by accident, but then there's Nala again. No one would pick up the dog and take it somewhere if they hit a person. The dog is what does not fit for any other person attacking Charli. So those are out in my mind.

Or, the items were not planted at all, they just ended up where they were due to wind, or an altercation between Charli and whomever killed her, the dog running off with items and dropping them eventually, etc.

Wrapping up my long-winded response, if SC planted those items, Charli's body would have to be somewhere between Twin Falls and her home to make SC's story remotely believable. IMO

 

[Kapua]

Wrapping up my long-winded response, if SC planted those items, Charli's body would have to be somewhere between Twin Falls and her home to make SC's story remotely believable. IMO

Her clothes and her dog would also have to be somewhere between Twin Falls and her home to make SC's story remotely believable. That is one of many reasons that I don't find his story believable in any way.

 

[Mamamerced]

Does the Hana Hwy straighten out somewhat (in the direction SC was supposedly driving) after Twin Falls? If so, that could account for SC supposedly picking up his speed there. Mentioning TF could just be an embellishment of a psychopathic liar who expects everyone will believe him.

 

[Napili]

The clothes were found, I think, near Keanae which is also where SC's vehicle was supposedly broken down. Why plant the clothes as a red herring if they contained blood/ bone evidence of C and J's murders? :waitasec:

I really did miss that crucial point--thanks

I am probably all turned around--and I had thought that they were found farther from Keanae.

But, why leave them there -- not immediately near the supposed truck site, but close. What do we absolutely know about the clothing, blanket, blood and bones?

I see now why an accomplice is vital, why the items in question should be seen as not red herrings, why his story is believed, with amendments and qualifications, of course, and the drift if the scenario. I would like to know if anyone has any ideas about the murder weapon. Also, when is SC's probation over.


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[Napili]

Welcome Napili!

... if an officer saw him driving Charli's SUV and ran the plates, there would be no offenses linked to her vehicle. So it would have been safer for him to drive her vehicle than a vehicle that could be traced back to him.

Thanks, Kapua--
But I'm thinking, wouldn't he be especially careful to NOT to get caught on record or be seen driving Charli's SUV alone, because she would soon turn up missing? :twocents:

 

[Kapua]

Thanks, Kapua--
But I'm thinking, wouldn't he be especially careful to NOT to get caught on record or be seen driving Charli's SUV alone, because she would soon turn up missing? :twocents:

That's a valid thought, but if you imagine that you are on a very dark, rural road past 11 PM on a Sunday night, how many drivers and how many cars would even be there to see you and what are the chances that they'd notice who was driving what car and if there was a passenger?

Anyone reckless and stupid enough to murder someone is not thinking rationally, IMHO.

 

[Napili]

Has this community discussed the two remarks made by Charli's sister regarding
SC?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-st...rli-and-Joshua-Scott/256898961151448?filter=1

1) Brooke saiid he was, "Trying to get my sister to go out there for weeks before".

2) He detailed his truck on the 10th.

Please don't get discouraged. Something will open this up. Must have hope.

 

[walkingdeadgirl]

Hello all. I just read a very interesting statement analysis of some SC interviews, very indicative of deception. The analysis takes it line by line and really shows what he is lying about. If anyone is interested in checking it out, the website is .blogspot.com, and then you can do a search for Charli. I apologize for not providing a direct link, but I don't know how to do that from my tablet. I clearly rule.

 

[Kapua]

Has this community discussed the two remarks made by Charli's sister regarding
SC?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-st...rli-and-Joshua-Scott/256898961151448?filter=1

1) Brooke saiid he was, "Trying to get my sister to go out there for weeks before".

2) He detailed his truck on the 10th.

Please don't get discouraged. Something will open this up. Must have hope.

I tried to spark some discussion about item #1 yesterday or the day before. If there are stored text messages or voicemails to back up Brooke's claim, it would certainly bolster the state's case.

As to #2, my understanding is that Luminol can often reveal the presence of blood, even after a cleaning. He'd have to use bleach to disguise it or horseradish sauce, according to Wikipedia.

Luminol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[heartgoesout]

Has this community discussed the two remarks made by Charli's sister regarding
SC?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-st...rli-and-Joshua-Scott/256898961151448?filter=1

1) Brooke saiid he was, "Trying to get my sister to go out there for weeks before".

2) He detailed his truck on the 10th.

Please don't get discouraged. Something will open this up. Must have hope.

I am very curious too about Brooke's facebook remarks and would love to have that explained in more detail. However, I just feel morally that what the sister puts out there should be left alone. Something holds me back from discussing it. Out of respect maybe? I can't really put it into words. I don't want her to feel that she can't vent a little without everyone jumping on it. I want her to know we have her back. And although websluethers have good intentions and genuinely care about justice for the victim, this is not entertainment for her, this is real life. Having said that, if anyone knows how or why SC tried to get CS to go "out there" it would be interesting to hear.

 

[Napili]

That's a valid thought, but if you imagine that you are on a very dark, rural road past 11 PM on a Sunday night, how many drivers and how many cars would even be there to see you and what are the chances that they'd notice who was driving what car and if there was a passenger?

Anyone reckless and stupid enough to murder someone is not thinking rationally, IMHO.

Yes. But can't help thinking about what's at stake if he is caught in that car-- and cars break down, run off road, out of gas, blow tires, and her car was distinctive (and he would be very aware of that, being of that particular type of vehicle's'subculture) and could be recognized. With stakes that high, would he take any chances?

 

[Mamamerced]

Yes. But can't help thinking about what's at stake if he is caught in that car-- and cars break down, run off road, out of gas, blow tires, and her car was distinctive (and he would be very aware of that, being of that particular type of vehicle's'subculture) and could be recognized. With stakes that high, would he take any chances?

Well, a while go someone (possibly Brooke?) said that both Charli and Steven drove silver 4-Runners, maybe even the same year......hazy memory, my apologies. Remove the grill and you lose the distinctiveness. :moo:

 

[Napili]

I am very curious too about Brooke's facebook remarks and would love to have that explained in more detail. However, I just feel morally that what the sister puts out there should be left alone. Something holds me back from discussing it. Out of respect maybe? I can't really put it into words. I don't want her to feel that she can't vent a little without everyone jumping on it. I want her to know we have her back. And although websluethers have good intentions and genuinely care about justice for the victim, this is not entertainment for her, this is real life. Having said that, if anyone knows how or why SC tried to get CS to go "out there" it would be interesting to hear.

Very valid point. I keep reminding myself that--this is not a game. Because the tendency is to be detached and try to solve the puzzle--helps one not be horrified, too. But first must come respect and tender consideration for these family members who are hurting so much. I completely agree.

But, removing the parts of the statement from the context--may we focus on the little phrase "out there"?

 

[Mamamerced]

Very valid point. I keep keeping reminding myself that--this is not a game. Becaus the tendency is to be detached and try to solve the puzzle--helps one not be horrified, too. But first must come respect and tender consideration for these family members who are hurting so much. I completely agree.

But, removing the parts of the statement from the context--may we focus on the little phrase "out there"?

Ask Brooke on the Find Chari Scott page or the Study page. I'm sure she would answer if it doesn't compromise the investigation. I'm sure she wants to keep the public's attention on this case to find Charli. I think Brooke is a staight-shooter who can handle tough questions/interrogations.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

QUESTION: Has anyone read an actual quote from the Scott family that says, "Charli told me she was going to help Steven - his truck was stuck?" or anything along those lines?

I've searched all over looking for an interview with the sister(s) that say Charli actually left home with the intention of helping Steven's disabled car.

As far as I've read, Steven is THE ONLY ONE to mention his truck was stuck and everyone has taken his word for it that he and Charli left his home together.

I'd like to know exactly what Charli told her sister before leaving. It would either validate or discredit Steven's public interview.

I think Steven's broke down ride is a BS story and Charli's in Haiku.

 

[Napili]

Yes. But can't help thinking about what's at stake if he is caught in that car-- and cars break down, run off road, out of gas, blow tires, and her car was distinctive (and he would be very aware of that, being of that particular type of vehicle's'subculture) and could be recognized. With stakes that high, would he take any chances?

Well, a while go someone (possibly Brooke?) said that both Charli and Steven drove silver 4-Runners, maybe even the same year......hazy memory, my apologies. Remove the grill and you lose the distinctiveness. :moo:

Yes indeed, I thought that too. And it seems to me someone else (like friend tweeker) would feel safe driving it. But, not SC, for the other reasons already mentioned. Even though the risk is slight, the stakes are too great for SC. :twocents: worth of :moo:

 

[Seajay]

I am very curious too about Brooke's facebook remarks and would love to have that explained in more detail. However, I just feel morally that what the sister puts out there should be left alone. Something holds me back from discussing it. Out of respect maybe? I can't really put it into words. I don't want her to feel that she can't vent a little without everyone jumping on it. I want her to know we have her back. And although websluethers have good intentions and genuinely care about justice for the victim, this is not entertainment for her, this is real life. Having said that, if anyone knows how or why SC tried to get CS to go "out there" it would be interesting to hear.

What is sounds like is that she thinks this was premeditated, that he had been trying for awhile to lure her out for nefarious reasons.

And you are right, those are her feelings and thoughts and need to be respected.

I see the list of missing every day that I come to this website and sometimes it overwhelms me, how many people are missing and how many family members are hurting because they don't know of their loved ones whereabouts. I have a super large family and I get down on my knees every day and thank God I have never had to know what this is like. That's why I loved the family friendly/victim friendly atmosphere here. These people are walking through hell, we don't need to add to it. IMO