GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[puakenikeni]

The ocean is one place he could have been taking the "bundle."
I wonder if he may have planned to burn the identifying parts in her Forerunner. A fire started with accelerant is super hot and as we heard, everything inside it was consumed.

I wonder if he left her remains hidden at Honomanu while he drove Nala to Nakiku or whether he let Nala off first before he went to Honomanu.

 

[heartgoesout]

I assumed they analyzed the debris from the burnt car and came up with nothing??
Now thinking about it in hindsight, would human ashes at the scene of the burnt forerunner be identifiable?

The thought is maybe he dropped these parts in a hurry, but hearing some of these details I'm afraid something more sinister was being planned. Why and how on earth were those parts there??

 

[Mamamerced]

The ocean is one place he could have been taking the "bundle."
I wonder if he may have planned to burn the identifying parts in her Forerunner. A fire started with accelerant is super hot and as we heard, everything inside it was consumed.

I wonder if he left her remains hidden at Honomanu while he drove Nala to Nakiku or whether he let Nala off first before he went to Honomanu.

Well, I don't think he would have left the clothes in the ocean. I could see possibly disposing of the body parts there but I think he'd more likely burn the entire bundle in the car. I imagine something either spooked him causing him to leave it all there or the bundle didn't hold and parts dropped out which he then couldn't gather back up, due to darkness(?). Of course we don't know when he was there....the night of the murder or days/nights following. Still spinning our wheels.

 

[Loio]

So far 120+ prospective jurors have been processed minus the ten or so absentees. They are reading off the lengthy list of witnesses right now and at yesterday's count it too was over 100 people. Naturally, not every witness is necessary and Cardoza says the list is not an indication that person will testify. The court is identifying whether or not the prospective juror knows anyone on the witness list. This pool of jurors has a lot more character than yesterday. When asked if this trial creates a hardship, more than half raised their hand.

The defendant is present in his dark suit and appears a tad more confident than yesterday, having already been through the process.

 

[Kapua]

The ocean is one place he could have been taking the "bundle."
I wonder if he may have planned to burn the identifying parts in her Forerunner. A fire started with accelerant is super hot and as we heard, everything inside it was consumed.

I wonder if he left her remains hidden at Honomanu while he drove Nala to Nakiku or whether he let Nala off first before he went to Honomanu.

Me, too. I wonder what the prosecution's theory is...

 

[Kapua]

Chime in Napili and Kapua!

Catching up on my reading! Mahalo nui to everyone for the updates!

 

[Napili]

Hi, all. I've been away for awhile and am catching up--glad to be in such fine company again and hoping for good fruit as a result of your dedication. Re the unresolved question of the only found remains, I'd like to offer this theory again: that those items were not planted but fell off of a body, the decomposition of which was greatly accelerated by LIME heaped around the body to hide it from sight and scent; undiscoverable and, eventually, desiccated. Did something go wrong when he revisited the site? Did he see it steaming & smoldering? Because, as I understand it, lime does that with animal flesh, when it meets moisture...He was a gardener would very likely have used lime to amend the soil, knew where to get it, could easily find out its preservative qualities on line, as I did, but not know what it does to a body when wetted. Interestingly, a site on the preservative qualities of lime showed photos demonstrating a pig in lime, chemically preserved and microbe-free. But, another site described (with caution) what happens when water or humidity is introduced. Then, it preserves by intense heat. This is the only way I can think possible to render a clean, "defleshed" set of items in just a few days, as those found at the site were....Further, someone mentioned again that his hands had burns. I would like to know how they are described and when they were seen. I can't remember and I want to know if the timing would support the lime theory. Also, a simple experiment can be done to test the theory. Thanks all of you.

[Please bear with my lack of citation; I no longer have the IPad I used to save and note these sources. Sadly, it bit the dust taking everything with it]

 

[Napili]

The lime theory would lead to a picture of him scrambling to move the body out of there, by night.

 

[Mamamerced]

I have leaned toward that theory since you proposed it, Napili. It makes sense, and it some ways, is marginally less sadistic seeming to me. But now that we've learned that fingertips from 1 hand were found, rather than fingernails, I'm hesitating. I wish we knew if the fingertips were cut or disarticulated.
Can anyone tell us if the location of the found evidence was secluded or relatively in the open?
So glad to hear from you again.

 

[puakenikeni]

Yes, the clothing found by Phaedra and search group was in-between. There was a photo taken by them that made it to the news that I posted a while back, and I can look for it later but not right now. The clothing was found in a pile, just off the dirt road, in tall grass IIRC. Not a secure hiding place, not hard for searchers to find, but not in plain sight to be noticed by people driving in either. Perhaps a temp placement for a planned pickup?

Phaedra did not find the body parts. The police found those the next day, NEAR the clothing and blanket and duct tape and gloves and possibly shoes. Where exactly was never published.

There is an interview with Kim and Phaedra on Youtube taken after she turned in the clothes but before any results of a police search made the news. P is crying because of the knowledge that something bad definitely happened. The clothes as we know now were bloody and slashed, and also the maggots present. However she was still holding out hope, as she would not have been if she had found bones and hair and fingertips.

Point being, think in terms of these identifying body parts as Group B of evidence that are somewhat scattered, possibly dropped or falling out of a bundle, near but not in the same exact spot as group A of the blouse, skirt, men's jeans, blanket, her shoes, used up duct tape rolls, gloves. And the blanket had maggots on it, but apparently the clothes did not. Some of this is also per FTL, some from news articles.

Her slashed bra was found, and I don't think it was said that the bra was with the first find of clothes. It may have been found scattered.

 

[puakenikeni]

Napili, great to hear from you again. I think your theory is really interesting. I'm suspending thinking through to that detail until the forensic evidence is presented. A whole lot of facts are going to be coming our way soon. There is a forensic entomologist on the witness list, so insect life, most likely maggots, will be a part of whatever theory they present. I expect that they will use the insect life to establish a theory of the time frame, but beyond that I do not know. Also they should be presenting whether the found remains showed traces of exposure to lime or other chemicals.

 

[heartgoesout]

Pua, always impressed with your memory.

 

[puakenikeni]

This makes me extra sad. I don't believe that additional remains will be found that will give the family a sense that they "found" Charli and Joshua and can bring them home. This new info from mini-opening statements makes it apparent that there was attention given to making the remains unrecognizable and probably smaller pieces. The hope and wishes for finding remains that are anything like a skeleton (the most one could hope for after over two years) seems not likely to be granted.

It's all so completely tragic.
I'm thinking now about all the BS he talked to the reporter (Mileka Lincoln) about how he and Charli were friends and he was getting used to the idea of being a father, and discussing names.
He seems to me a completely narcissistic control freak who was most likely enraged that Charli "dared" to conceive a child with his "contribution," and to plan to keep and raise the baby without his approval or, for 3-4 months, even his knowledge. How dare she complicate his so important life, in his mind.

I have this image of him restraining her and stabbing her womb while letting all that rage out, with her begging him to stop. I am fairly sure her mother has that image and will always have it. I really doubt she was unconscious. I think he needed for her to know and experience that he was not going to allow her and Joshua to live, and to listen to him getting the last word. He might have knocked her out to get her out there, I don't know. He had already driven her out Hana Highway once when she was not restrained or unconscious, and that trial run most likely showed him that she was not going to let him take her out there and he had to prepare for her resistance.

I think he had help from one of his buddies. If he can make stupid remarks to co-workers about murder and killing, I can totally see him talking a trusted confidant into helping. Quite possibly someone who routinely hunts and deals with cutting up wild boar. Steven was a vegetarian, no? Vegetarians don't typically have that ability to methodically butcher a kill that would be needed for this terrible deed.

 

[puakenikeni]

Pua, always impressed with your memory.

Thanks, it's not as good as it used to be, but I do have a good memory for words. I have absolutely no ability when it comes to spatial memory and recognition, or mechanics, was behind the barn door when that was given out, so am good at one thing and deficient in others.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Hmm, I'm trying to imagine that area and what he was doing that left behind Group A and Group B. Since Group B (body parts) were scattered, seems logical he dropped them. Group A left in a pile because he hoped to return? Thought he'd find them again in the dark?

Could Charli have been rolled up in the blanket, carried through the grass with Group B being accidentally deposited along the way and then buried? Before he buried her he removed her clothes and took off his jeans and gloves and then headed back to the car to leave. Charli's cellphone rings or beeps with a text message and he drops everything in a panic.

OR

Charli murdered in her car and dragged to flat ground in her blanket so that he can use his machete to remove any identifiers. Group B removed, he rolls her naked body up in plastic and duct tape and buries her. He gathers up Group A and B in the blanket and heads to the car. He wants to burn Group B, should be easy right? Only some of Group B falls out and gets scattered along the way. Group A left in a pile and forgotten because cell phone rings or dog barks.

My only problem with this is the burying. To bury requires a shovel or spade. Her body didn't just disappear. I know MSAR searched high and low for her in that vicinity. Somewhere on a hillside she is wrapped in plastic.

 

[heartgoesout]

Mauinews has a new article up.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I think he had help from one of his buddies. If he can make stupid remarks to co-workers about murder and killing, I can totally see him talking a trusted confidant into helping. Quite possibly someone who routinely hunts and deals with cutting up wild boar. Steven was a vegetarian, no? Vegetarians don't typically have that ability to methodically butcher a kill that would be needed for this terrible deed.

Bingo ringo! I think he had help too. I was looking for some SC stuff in ekokua and noticed little brother Mario was recently in custody for silliness relating to a DUI last year. Pity the Capobianco boys were both in lockup.

 

[heartgoesout]

Maybe he wasn't interrupted at all. This was his territory and him being a sociopath narcissist (or whatever) didn't plan on the massive search efforts and his cocky confidence finally was his downfall.
It's just all too sloppy. No one is this sloppy!
I don't think the emotion was fear, I don't think he got interrupted, I think he casually thought he'd come back and finish. He had to be exhausted. Maybe the Lye or is it lime? was taking too long.

I think we try to look at this and make sense of it in terms of how a sane person would act. He's not mentally capable of the same emotions we are. In order to figure this out one albeit has to try to think like a cold blooded killer. And I'm just not capable to imagine up what I've heard this week. None of us are.

 

[Loio]

The Maui News article is a good rehash of Monday's proceedings. I have the mini opening statements in audio for iphone, mac or apple products only.

The judge mentioned some of the jurors will report back on June 3, 2016. Odd considering there's no court the week of June 6, 2016.

I won't be back in court this week. I think it will be more of the same. So far no Hana residents on the jury. Too far for them to drive I guess. They all seemed relieved.

 

[puakenikeni]

Great comments guys. Want to reply later, all sound points I agree with.
Thanks Loio! (I have apple products.)

I started searching for that photo of the clothes in a pile, but didn't find it yet. Did find a useful to review short news story from KHON.
1) The shoes and "other valuables" of Charli's were found the next day after the clothes group of stuff (Clothes Thursday, shoes Friday) by a search party. I am confused on this because there is an interview with Brooke and Charli's dad saying the searchers had left that immediate area to law enforcement to process. I don't know who found the shoes or whether "valuables" was code for partial remains. But the shoes and probably the bra were not in that first pile.

http://khon2.com/2014/02/14/new-evidence-found-in-missing-maui-woman-search/

Here is the news story from that Friday night, Feb. 14, 2014. There is a look at the actual burned Forerunner, so you can see for yourselves how little was left.

As for SC's timeframe to go back, he possibly had the use of Charli's vehicle available on Monday and Tuesday night. On Monday there was searching going on, but no one in the family had any reason to be looking out Hana Highway more than some other place. Tuesday is the day he told the police in the morning, and the day he went out there and acted protectively of that road. It's hard to say whether he would have felt safe to go back out there that night, but maybe. The searchers were not still out after dark.