GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #2

[RunDaSurf]

I'mm trying hard to follow all this.
Did anything ever turn out from this?

I don't know. I don't have a coconut wireless plan.

 

[Loio]

Lydia Gaines, the one in the youtube vid is the same girl as Lydia Perry, the one mentioned in the Horse ranch review. She was married to Adam Gaines. Adam and Steven were friends, he met Charli when she and Steven started dating.

Adam Gaines was one of the founding members of MSAR.

I hate that I'm drawing out these people's private lives on for us to ponder and hem and haw. I'm more comfortable in lurk-mode. Happy Easter everybody!

 

[Mamamerced]

No, I just know that the coconut grapevine works very well, but one has to be connected to the people to get the messages. ;-)

I sure miss the coconut grapevine's presence here!

 

[Mamamerced]

Me too!
I was going along replying to posted question when Run posted that info, guess the page did not refresh or went to next page. Wow at the reviews left on the Horsemanship page.

Clue me in, pls. What am I missing? I did read the No ka oi page awhile back.

 

[Mamamerced]

It was not divulged, which is not to say the info isn't known by some or many people in the area. It was parts too, not the grill alone.

It is very possible he took parts because he wanted to promote the idea that the usual vandals found the car and took parts that could be of value. The grill alone screams of hiding the car's identity, but the grill + parts can read as petty theft. Well, if he did the stripping as we spec, and gave it to people to hold, I just hope they are testifying to that.

My memory on this case is getting a bit rusty and I inadvertently deleted all my back-up documentation. However, I do remember reading that SC had a 4Runner just like Charli's and I believe it was silver, just like Charli's. Is that what is being referred to as the parts car?

 

[Mamamerced]

Lydia Gaines, the one in the youtube vid is the same girl as Lydia Perry, the one mentioned in the Horse ranch review. She was married to Adam Gaines. Adam and Steven were friends, he met Charli when she and Steven started dating.

Adam Gaines was one of the founding members of MSAR.

I hate that I'm drawing out these people's private lives on for us to ponder and hem and haw. I'm more comfortable in lurk-mode. Happy Easter everybody!

Thanks, Loio, for refreshing our memories. I don't think you're revealing their private lives as L and A had been discussed early on in the case and Adam was in the documentary. Seems like Adam was initially a friend of SC but his allegiance switched to Charly and then her mom.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thanks, Loio, for refreshing our memories. I don't think you're revealing their private lives as L and A had been discussed early on in the case and Adam was in the documentary. Seems like Adam was initially a friend of SC but his allegiance switched to Charly and then her mom.

Lolo, thanks for making it all clear, lol, after I spent quite a while figuring that out last night after RunDaSurf posted. I learned a lot though.

Mama, go back to the No Ka Oi page and on the left side, scroll down and there are two Reviews of the business, second one by Brooke, with two comments. She accuses Lydia of stealing Charli's parts car after she was known to be murdered, and suggests that Lydia was hanging out with SC after in a friendly way, and the two may have stolen the car together. I am only paraphrasing what Brooke said, trying my best to follow WS guidelines. From her post wording, I don't see how SC's 4 Runner would be the parts car as he couldn't have stolen what was his ...

One of my kids had a 4 Runner that got in a wreck and he had to sell it as a parts car. There was a good demand for it. I think when older vehicles are used hard like 4WD is on the island, it is a good idea to have a parts source and not need to go look for parts, which are expensive new and often have to be shipped from the mainland, right? My sons have had numerous parts cars over the years. None of these were running vehicles, which is why they were affordable to buy for salvaging parts.

There is another post from Brooke on the MPD page post about how they can find some stolen car parts for the government but not for others. I'll see if I can find it, but I don't remember the date so I may not do too well.
Without falling into sleuthing a non POI, I hope, one can see I think the general reason Brooke was and is very angry at Charli's former "best friend." There is a MMA stating that Charli was going to go live on the Kula land with Adam and Lydia, with the baby. Adam said he was planning to become a paternal figure for Joshua knowing that SC would not.

 

[Mamamerced]

Thanks, Pua, for your detailed explanation. I'd like to know how LG stole Charli's parts car. Do you suppose SC gave it to her? I'm thinking that the 4Runner SC supposedly "owned" actually belonged to Charli.
I remember that bit about Adam and wife planning on raising Joshua with Charli. Sounded literally like a pipe-dream to me........sweet and supportive but not practical or likely.
For some reason I'm feeling Charli's pain, sadness and slaughter more acutely just lately. Such a depraved
Mind and man.

 

[heartgoesout]

snipped by me ~suggests that Lydia was hanging out with SC after in a friendly way, and the two may have stolen the car together.~

So the accusation is that AFTER Charli was missing somehow LG was still speaking to SC and somehow is involved with missing parts from Charlis truck?

 

[puakenikeni]

snipped by me ~suggests that Lydia was hanging out with SC after in a friendly way, and the two may have stolen the car together.~

So the accusation is that AFTER Charli was missing somehow LG was still speaking to SC and somehow is involved with missing parts from Charlis truck?

yes, only not "missing" so much as officially declared a murder victim, after the case was reclassified as a homicide is how I read after L knew that C had been murdered. Because until early March they did not know.
Also Lydia went to Australia in June-July to get away from what sounded like negativity towards herself or backlash for whatever choices she was making.

Sorry, in none of my reading have I come across any suggestion that SC's 4Runner was Charli's. There was something in December about a friend bringing a vehicle to Steven. Not sure where that is.

I'm feeling emotionally punched today as well, but of my own doing, because I decided to read the family's posts and they were gut-wrenching as would be expected. I wanted to go over their journey and understand better, nothing to do with sleuthing. Today I'm drained, but that's OK, I now have more of a direct sense of what hell they have experienced.

 

[puakenikeni]

Hi, I was able to find ther reference, perhaps one of you can tie it in.
http://www.lakako.com/post/609572773439457676

Dec. 12, SC asked if anyone wanted some framed pics, and got a response yes on some of them from this person.
http://www.lakako.com/photos/188237628

He said he would bring them over when he came by for the 4runner.

 

[Loio]

Charli and Steven pretty much had the same friend base. When Charli went missing everyone bounded together. After the rumors started flying some friends began to drop off because it was awkward. Charli's disappearance very well may have broken up the Gaines' marriage. *JMOO

Anyway, what would you do if your good friend was suspected of murder?

 

[Napili]

Thank you, HGO & MamaM for answering the call )

 

[heartgoesout]

I misinterpreted parts car. I thought it was another extra light tools thing. lol
It does change my thought process a tad. So it's not that LG necessarily had Charli's grille its that she was running with SC and had some sort of involvement with a "parts" car. Doesn't sound like that was a great decision. I'm missing something here. Why on earth would she participate in stealing or selling anything of Charli's.

 

[Mamamerced]

"Sorry, in none of my reading have I come across any suggestion that SC's 4Runner was Charli's."

I was just wondering if that could have been the parts car in question. I imagine 4runners are a common vehicle on the island

 

[PeterTosh]

If he stabbed her he had blood all over him. He had to do it near water or a hose or a shower.

Or ocean

 

[PeterTosh]

how long can silence be maintained while guilt rides hard

- Recently directed at SC/Charli's friends by a family member.

My intent as Crabapple and The Study was to do my best to take SC out of our community. If it meant rubbing his factional, cliquish little generational community the wrong way so be it. They all needed to realize they are part of a whole community here on Maui. Time to grow up. Their nose was in it. Many of them were complicit in suppressing the obvious. Being older I am an outsider to their world. Yet like it or not they are in my world.

A lot of their friends hopped off the SC bandwagon soon after the obvious began to dawn. Yet...I still harbor anger and mistrust of them I see them as weak little souls that are undeserving of attaching themselves to the grieving Charli's side. They were out to get me plain and simple and were helping Capob to do it. Thieving little miscreants they are. moo

 

[PeterTosh]

Paraquats. Middle of nowhere

 

[Napili]

I've thought a little about Charli's 4Runner, and now the parts car. Not because I have any theories, but just to color in the picture for future scenarios. First, Charli's car--found on its side, torched and raided.

Someone may have seen a list of missing (not burned-up) parts, but this is what I see on the pics from last year: doors, lights (don't know if they'd burn out of the fender), and, of course, the grille. Bumpers are intact and there are unknown items there--a big box(?) in the cargo area and some large cylindrical thing hanging off the rear (?).

http://mauinow.com/2014/02/14/aerial-video-search-for-charli-turns-up-clothes-vehicle/

Some thoughts: ( Duh warning)
--The light-colored 4runner is an extremely common car on the island. My impression is that Charli was connected to SC in an ongoing way via her car (AND her dog, the daughter of one of HIS 2dogs, I believe.)

--I think that these things (and others, besides pit bulls ) were and are highly valued and are common currency in that social circle.

--I think that spare parts, for one example, are sold, traded, whatever between everyone, and that a Parts Car is a great stash to have.

--I also think that, because of drug use--and the accompanying life-style (involving various other unlawful activities -- petty theft, selling drugs, etc.) there is an acquaintanceship & familiarity with--more or less--criminals and illegal activity (The perception of which would depend on one's own level of criminality) Such as persons as might help strip a car, sell hot parts , buy hot parts, engage in in sub-legal activities, ask no questions and keep secrets. Lie too...

--I think some people, while they might not steal or engage in destruction or thuggery, might use drugs, might keep secrets and might bend truth. They might easily justify "rescuing" a good parts car...

(They are all, to varying degrees, in my view, in such moral and ethical confusion that they can cross lines they never thought they would in a million years, and never see it until its too late. Now, their psychopath "friend" has acted and things are serious, sinister and deadly. The net around them has been their own moral confusion, sprung by The psychopath. )

 

[Mamamerced]

I've thought a little about Charli's 4Runner, and now the parts car. Not because I have any theories, but just to color in the picture for future scenarios. First, Charli's car--found on its side, torched and raided.

Someone may have seen a list of missing (not burned-up) parts, but this is what I see on the pics from last year: doors, lights (don't know if they'd burn out of the fender), and, of course, the grille. Bumpers are intact and there are unknown items there--a big box(?) in the cargo area and some large cylindrical thing hanging off the rear (?).

http://mauinow.com/2014/02/14/aerial-video-search-for-charli-turns-up-clothes-vehicle/

Some thoughts: ( DUH warning)
--The light-colored 4runner is an extremely common car on the island. My impression is that Charli was connected to SC in an ongoing way via her car (AND her dog, the daughter of one of HIS 2dogs, I believe.)

--I think that these things (and others, besides pit bulls ) were and are highly valued and are common currency in that social circle.

--I think that spare parts, for one example, are sold, traded, whatever between everyone, and that a Parts Car is a great stash to have.

--I also think that, because of drug use--and the accompanying life-style (involving various other unlawful activities -- petty theft, selling drugs, etc.) there is an acquaintanceship & familiarity with--more or less--criminals and illegal activity (The perception of which would depend on one's own level of criminality) Such as persons as might help strip a car, sell hot parts , buy hot parts, engage in in sub-legal activities, ask no questions and keep secrets. Lie too...

--I think some people, while they might not steal or engage in destruction or thuggery, might use drugs, might keep secrets and might bend truth. They might easily justify "rescuing" a good parts car...

(They are all, to varying degrees, in my view, in such moral and ethical confusion that they can cross lines they never thought they would in a million years, and never see it until its too late. Now, their psychopath "friend" has acted and things are serious, sinister and deadly. The net around them has been their moral confusion, sprung by S. Capobianco. )

That was a well-thought out and expressed post, Napili. I would add that their youth and geographical isolation probably contributes to their confusion. My kids grew up in a sparsely populated, relatively isolated community (16 in my daughter's HS graduation class, 20 in my son's) and became friends in kindergarten with people that carried through high school. Now, after travel and college, they are still "friends" with many of them on FB, but simply "friendly" in their real lives. Their experiences have separated many of them. They understand much more about human nature and interactions now, whereas they were bonded by a sense of loyalty to the community/family while in elem. and h.s.
I honestly don't think it excuses taking Charli's spare-parts car, though.