GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #2

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ok. I'm with ya again. lol
So Charli had a parts car. After she was discovered murdered, and her driving car found torched, there is speculation that LG/LP along with SC sold the parts car and/or parts without permission from the family. Which in every aspect is wrong.
 
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ok. I'm with ya again. lol
So Charli had a parts car. After she was discovered murdered, and her driving car found torched, there is speculation that LG/LP along with SC sold the parts car and/or parts without permission from the family. Which in every aspect is wrong.

So it would seem. Speculation, merely, at this point...Sounds like the entire Parts Car...Maybe someone can contact BS for facts & to put it all into perspective. ;)
 
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The picture I have is that, if that was where Charli worked and was planning to live, and since she lived in a small rented ohana in Macawao, that the horse farm in Kula would be where she probably stored her Parts Car...with her Friends. Yes. Pretty twisted, if true. LP would have to have been so self-deluded that even after the determination of homicide and SC is so incriminated, she would either sell him the Parts Car, sell it through him, or enlist his aid in moving it. I don't know, but It sounds like LP might have *disposed of it for profit*...A whole lotta soul searching going on, now, I think. I hope.
Napili, I think you have nailed it. Good job guys! This topic is some sort of model for people working together nicely and getting the questions unpacked.

Clearly this was seen as a major betrayal by the closest of friends. So by BS's timeline, after the homicide announcement (early March) and by April 23, 2014 when BS writes the accusatory review, either SC gets the parts car because he wants one, or it gets sold, either way, stolen from CS's family by her best friend. AG of MS&R stays 100% with the family, and LG is now LP, and BS is angry enough to post on the business Facebook, her own, and MPD about this outrage, even recently.
 
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Napili, I think you have nailed it. Good job guys! This topic is some sort of model for people working together nicely and getting the questions unpacked.

Clearly this was seen as a major betrayal by the closest of friends. So by BS's timeline, after the homicide announcement (early March) and by April 23, 2014 when BS writes the accusatory review, either SC gets the parts car because he wants one, or it gets sold, either way, stolen from CS's family by her best friend. AG of MS&R stays 100% with the family, and LG is now LP, and BS is angry enough to post on the business Facebook, her own, and MPD about this outrage, even recently.

Ok. So, two more things:
1) The MPD post where BS is accusing LP/LG was written THIS March? (..."even recently"... I could not tell which year.

2) Odd, but I wonder whether LP/LG's (mis)perception could have been --why would the family want that piece of junk--seeing it as having no owner, and so she didn't see herself as stealing, betraying, etc...Weird!...but conceivable, given the moral confusion mentioned earlier. ...just a thought, fwiw.
 
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Originally Posted by RunDaSurf

If he stabbed her he had blood all over him. He had to do it near water or a hose or a shower.





Yep ocean is water :loser:

And I don't think he put her in ocean because jawbone. And not wanting body found. Ocean would return it especially in a bay before it would sink. Takes a lot of weeks to sink on own.

If he buried on land after stabbing he would have to walk to ocean to wash blood off him. Walk through jungle covered in blood might pass in Keanae looking like a boar hunter? But not at Pe'ahi and you don't go for a swim there real easy :loser:
 
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And you won't stab in Haiku away from water and walk back home
 
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Ok. So, two more things:
1) The MPD post where BS is accusing LP/LG was written THIS March? (..."even recently"... I could not tell which year.

2) Odd, but I wonder whether LP/LG's (mis)perception could have been --why would the family want that piece of junk--seeing it as having no owner, and so she didn't see herself as stealing, betraying, etc...Weird!...but conceivable, given the moral confusion mentioned earlier. ...just a thought, fwiw.
Yes, this March, almost a year later. If FB posts don't show a year on the date, they are the current year.

On the first review, BS is looking for proof of the theft. She also does not know for sure that SC was part of it. What she says is that L was hanging out with SC, something that would be known around the community I imagine.

well, my son sold his totaled 4runner for parts (a newer model though), and I think he got at least a thousand dollars. I don't think anyone in the used 4runner circle looks on parts as having no value. Car parts are expensive, and parts for older models are not necessarily easy to find.
This son of mine would find a model of vehicle that he liked and would acquire a parts car, it being a given that older cars need fixing. It drove his landlady crazy to have the junker car on the property. So I agree it might have been stored elsewhere, like at a ranch in Kula.
 
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Originally Posted by RunDaSurf

And I don't think he put her in ocean because jawbone. And not wanting body found. Ocean would return it especially in a bay before it would sink. Takes a lot of weeks to sink on own.

If he buried on land after stabbing he would have to walk to ocean to wash blood off him. Walk through jungle covered in blood might pass in Keanae looking like a boar hunter? But not at Pe'ahi and you don't go for a swim there real easy :loser:
Something to keep in mind is that in Feb. 2014, the islands were buzzing with the news that the Royal murder was solved and her BF hung himself. It seems he thought he could cover it up by putting her body over the cliff into some very wild ocean, but it was retrieved that same morning. He had already answered his phone and told someone she was fine before hearing she was found, and that ended all hope for him to get away with it.

This was much talked about, at least our friends who live upcountry Maui were following that case. It was a very strong illustration that the ocean is not a reliable dumping site and can tell tales, even in sharky areas, especially in areas where fisherman go on a regular basis. (Fisherman found Royal's body hung up on a line, boat fisherman in that case, not shore.)

If he did consider the ocean, it may have influenced him, this news. The Scott Peterson case was also a well known analogy where even the baby washed up, and her head and torso, did they not? I do think he separated her head, because of the jaw detachment, no idea if he did full dismemberment. So did Scott Peterson, wasn't enough to save him.
I am starting to think he did bury or hide her there at the time, and then disinterred or retrieved later in the week, and did something more for the ultimate disposal. I don't think he had time to do everything on Sunday.

I don't think he imagined that one family could scour the coastline of Hana Highway. He probably felt, arrogantly, that he knew this terrain and they did not, and he had the advantage. He may have thought the police would put out some effort but not enough.

My sense of why he mentioned going out to Keanae has changed from the Easter Egg or red herring theory. I have read speculation and rumor that he was seen out Hana Highway that night, so that he was forced to concoct a story about why he was out there, the broken down or stuck vehicle. Again, the Royal case was an example where one lie about being somewhere else was enough to undo the story, as well as phone records. SC very likely had his own phone pinging towers that night.

As to why that area ... Honomanu Bay is the first real access road to the ocean after the Jaws area, IIRC. The coastline before that is private access only. He must have known it very well. I am guessing he could not commit the act and disposal at his grandfather's home because of his grandfather's presence.
 
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A murder in a house with stabbing leaves a lot of blood and DNA. Even if you imitate Dexter with plastic tarp. And risk somebody coming home or to house. And then you have to move body out of house to bury.
 
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The ocean with sharks at night isn't the best place to swim covered in blood to wash it off him self. Doesn't mean he didn't.

There are streams in Honomanu, Kaenae, and Haiku. Other bodies of water in Haiku
 
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The grandfather has a lot of land. Quiet to work undisturbed.
 
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The ocean with sharks at night isn't the best place to swim covered in blood to wash it off him self. Doesn't mean he didn't.

There are streams in Honomanu, Kaenae, and Haiku. Other bodies of water in Haiku

What other bodies of water would be in Haiku but not in Honomanu or Kaenae? Private ponds?
 
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A murder in a house with stabbing leaves a lot of blood and DNA. Even if you imitate Dexter with plastic tarp. And risk somebody coming home or to house. And then you have to move body out of house to bury.

Doesn't LE (?) say that they believe Charli's car was the crime scene?
 
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"My sense of why he mentioned going out to Keanae has changed from the Easter Egg or red herring theory. I have read speculation and rumor that he was seen out Hana Highway that night, so that he was forced to concoct a story about why he was out there, the broken down or stuck vehicle."

I remember speculation that someone thought he was seen around Hana that night in a "different" car. I've never heard what type of vehicle the speculator thought it was or wasn't, though. Perhaps LE is keeping that quiet? I want to say it was around 11 pm.......does that ring a bell with anyone?

Another question: is the location of Charli's jawbone/clothes in the area called Keanae (I understand it's called Paraquats, but is that an area within Keanae?) If it is, why would he implicate himself so directly? That has always stumped me. After all, he did have time to concoct a tighter story. Maybe RDS is spot on that SC is dumb.
 
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A murder in a house with stabbing leaves a lot of blood and DNA. Even if you imitate Dexter with plastic tarp. And risk somebody coming home or to house. And then you have to move body out of house to bury.
So true. When I imagined him attacking her at his home, I always imagined it outside. But then how would he lure her at night into a more private part of the property? Difficult.

Charli's Mom and sister are posting about the law regarding false imprisonment. They seem to be landing on the side of her car as the place where he took control of her. KS that Charli would never jump out of a moving vehicle pregnant even in fear, because of stronger instinct not to harm baby.

btw, the police did do a full analysis of SC's phone records (per one of the MMA articles).

I am trying to figure out why the clothes were left in a fairly neat pile -- not scattered, and right off that dirt road. I have changed my mind about him wanting them to recover that jaw bone. There are comments from her family saying he believed that "no body" would protect him from prosecution (successful). Look at how Mo Monsalves is still a missing person. There are many cases where husbands and boyfriends have not been charged who were persons of interest, because the woman was not found, including in this state.

A jawbone meant that she was ruled deceased, which made for a huge shift in the case from the LE perspective, reclassified as homicide, etc.. I don't believe he wanted that at all. I think he wanted to get away with this and live, he thought, his life full of options. *warning graphic* It's possible the jawbone detached during transport or handling, possibly in the dark, and he missed it. There was blood on the ground there. Blood doesn't keep flowing. She was most likely either killed at that spot or taken out of the vehicle severely wounded or freshly deceased and placed on the ground, the night that it happened.

While the clothes were not hard to find, the jawbone was in the same area, but I don't think the same exact spot. It was found by a search after the police were clued in by the first find. It might have been somewhere she could be left and not easily seen.

I don't think Steven was with Phaedra or was the one who ran to check the smell up the river. I think that he searched with the family on 2/11, and by 2/13 when he was interiviewed, he said he was not joining them, because he felt hostility from them. He said he was "venturing out on my own." He would not likely have been with the party searching a few hours after he gave that interview, which was published by something like 4 PM, the clothes found a little before 6 PM.

He went down that road by himself on 2/11, twice, alone, while searching with the family, according to old post by fromtheladle. I have a feeling he then went back that night, Tuesday. By Wednesday BEFORE dark, searchers had found her torched vehicle. So I think Tuesday night is the most likely time frame for him to work under cover of darkness, which would make it possible for him to lose that bone (and fingernails) at the spot where she was either lying or buried.
 
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Interesting analysis, Pua. I wish I could picture the area better. Do you know how far from the clothes her jawbone was found? Fingernails!? As in entire nails or broken off pieces? I have read elsewhere that the jawbone is one of the first bones to disarticulate after death.
I, and others on here, have considered that he could have covered/buried her hastily after the murder (regardless whether in Haiku or Keanae) only to return later to uncover and move her to a better hiding place.
The fact that her younger sister noticed SC acting protective of the road he went down on his own twice makes my skin crawl.
 
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So could he have went back to the place he left her and God I hate thinking this...cut her up and then brought her back to the grandfathers property were he felt a little safer and bury her there. Maybe there was multiple previous stab wounds to her face and he lost the jawbone in the process of that move.
 
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I think he would plan to do it all Sunday night. Not hide her and come back because he couldn't count on being free the next day. He worked the next day and might thought the family could have reported her missing right away and then watched him right away.
 
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The reason to plant the jawbone is so they know she is dead and they look out there more than Haiku. And maybe he tried to frame somebody and it didn't work? His alibi about driving doesn't work if it's impossible for somebody else to get her.
 
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