GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #2

[RunDaSurf]

If he attacked her in her SUV he would have to pull her out close to there drag 160 pounds and then wash him self off or he would be sitting duck if pulled over covered in blood with a record driving bloody stolen vehicle. Or even if SUV broke down.
Would he plan to drive from Honomanu to Pe'ahi in stolen vehicle with blood, evidence? Maybe. BIG RISK. There are not many vehicles on Hana Highway Sunday night after 10 so maybe he planned the risk.

 

[Kapua]

JMHO, but I don't think he killed her in her vehicle, for those reasons. My #1 theory is that he killed her near where her clothes and jawbone were found. My #2 theory is that he killed her in Haiku, but then you have to ask where the grandfather was during that time.

If he attacked her in her SUV he would have to pull her out close to there drag 160 pounds and then wash him self off or he would be sitting duck if pulled over covered in blood with a record driving bloody stolen vehicle. Or even if SUV broke down.
Would he plan to drive from Honomanu to Pe'ahi in stolen vehicle with blood, evidence? Maybe. BIG RISK. There are not many vehicles on Hana Highway Sunday night after 10 so maybe he planned the risk.

 

[puakenikeni]

The reason to plant the jawbone is so they know she is dead and they look out there more than Haiku. And maybe he tried to frame somebody and it didn't work? His alibi about driving doesn't work if it's impossible for somebody else to get her.

But once they have a body part, they can convict him much more easily than no body part. I trust the family's sense that he believed "no body" was his ticket to freedom. Planting the clothes directs their attention. The jawbone is all against him. That's why I think it was an accident that it was left and found.

 

[puakenikeni]

Do you know how far from the clothes her jawbone was found? Fingernails!? As in entire nails or broken off pieces? I have read elsewhere that the jawbone is one of the first bones to disarticulate after death.
I, and others on here, have considered that he could have covered/buried her hastily after the murder (regardless whether in Haiku or Keanae) only to return later to uncover and move her to a better hiding place.
The fact that her younger sister noticed SC acting protective of the road he went down on his own twice makes my skin crawl.

Indeed. That is interesting about the jaw, didn't know that. The police never gave the answers to the questions you ask. "In the same area" was said.

 

[puakenikeni]

Right, there are some issues with using the vehicle although it's a good environment to control
someone.

What if he did ask for some quick help with his truck, but not in Keanae, not far from Haiku. Then maybe she would agree because it was a short drive. And he said he would drive. And then he trapped her and went out the Hana Highway against her will?

 

[heartgoesout]

Doesn't LE (?) say that they believe Charli's car was the crime scene?

I don't remember reading that LE believes this. I do remember seeing that the family believes this may be an option. That was long ago and I haven't seen them comment on what they think happened recently.

 

[heartgoesout]

Hypothetically, if she was killed and left near where he clothes were found...could (eek) an animal have gotten to her? He comes back to move her and pieces like the jawbone for example are gone?

 

[Mamamerced]

Hypothetically, if she was killed and left near where he clothes were found...could (eek) an animal have gotten to her? He comes back to move her and pieces like the jawbone for example are gone?

I'd like to know more about the fingernails. I'm leaning towards murder at Paraquats/Keanae.

 

[puakenikeni]

Hypothetically, if she was killed and left near where he clothes were found...could (eek) an animal have gotten to her? He comes back to move her and pieces like the jawbone for example are gone?

The fingernails were never announced to the media during initial investigation AFAIK. They were mentioned in the motion to dismiss, so presented to grand jury. See the articles on motion to dismiss for the mention.

We have wild boar/pigs here, and pigs eat anything, but they scatter and rip, and don't eat large bones apparently. So ... the clothes had to remain on her or at least the one item that had the maggots, because quotes of LE by MMA said there were signs of bodily decomp on the clothing. If taken off her right after murder, that would not happen. If pigs went after a clothed corpse, guarantee the clothes would be all torn up. They were not, based on the information released about them being able to count where the stab holes were. The whole thing would be a chaotic mess.
Pigs are a real concern, and SC should have known that. They could scatter evidence all over. That's why he would have been better to dig a hole, and not too shallow. Someone posted about that in the early days of the topic, from experience on Maui with this very thing (not human remains but other remains).

I did not enjoy writing that. I had to put my feelings off to one side to do it. Please don't anyone think I'm lacking sensitivity about her. I'm not.

 

[Mamamerced]

Does anyone have a copy of the Motion to Dismiss? Or a link to it?
TIA

 

[puakenikeni]

I found one reference that I remember. There really isn't any more, except somewhere I read that the nails were found with the blood, jawbone, tooth -- not with the first find of the clothes. I think the shoes were also found later. Quote below meets 10% rule, bold is mine.

"The hearsay evidence was from an entomologist with knowledge about maggots; a Los Angeles-based FBI agent who analyzed Capobianco's phone records along with other information and data for a timeline of events surrounding the alleged killing; Scott's dentist, who compared dental records with the jawbones suspected to be hers; a Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command forensic anthropologist who did a trauma analysis on jawbones suspected to be Scott's; and a Honolulu Police Department DNA specialist who examined fingernails suspected to be Scott's.

http://mauinews.com/page/content.de...-in-Scott-case-revealed-in-motion.html?nav=10

Cached link to read whole article: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...fingernails&hl=en&gbv=2&nfpr&spell=1&&ct=clnk

 

[puakenikeni]

Does anyone have a copy of the Motion to Dismiss? Or a link to it?
TIA

The actual Motion to Dismiss is not online. Possibly the public could get a copy by going to the Maui Courthouse and ordering one (cost for each page). I have been referring to MMA articles about the Motion filing and hearing.

 

[puakenikeni]

This is kind of interesting, a blog dedicated to no-body cases, has an entry on this case, although doesn't get too specific about the details.
http://nobodycases.com/blog/?id=479&showEntry=1
Talks a little about the challenge of such cases, tried on circumstantial evidence.

 

[Mamamerced]

The actual Motion to Dismiss is not online. Possibly the public could get a copy by going to the Maui Courthouse and ordering one (cost for each page). I have been referring to MMA articles about the Motion filing and hearing.

Thanks for all the info., Pua. I should know this, but, what is MMA?

 

[puakenikeni]

MMA is an acronym I got from the Websleuth guidelines for sources. Mainstream Media Articles?

 

[puakenikeni]

Thinking about the "moving 160 pounds" problem, I think that's a problem for any scenario. I don't see him getting her to voluntarily walk off the road into the Maui jungle at night, or to walk to some quiet remote part of grandfather's property. (Unless possibly at gunpoint.)

The arson indictment says only that SC burned her car, not that it was a crime scene.
The second degree murder indictment says he did it, and somewhere in a range of dates, but does not say where.

 

[RunDaSurf]

So ... the clothes had to remain on her or at least the one item that had the maggots, because quotes of LE by MMA said there were signs of bodily decomp on the clothing. If taken off her right after murder, that would not happen.

Clothes could been taken off her right after murder and still have signs of bodily decomposition

GRAPHIC WARNING
There would be a lot of blood on the clothes and traces of flesh from stabbing. The flesh would start to decompose right away.

I didn't want to read about bodily decomposition and didn't go far. It just means material starts to break down and it starts right away at death.

 

[RunDaSurf]

Thinking about the "moving 160 pounds" problem, I think that's a problem for any scenario. I don't see him getting her to voluntarily walk off the road into the Maui jungle at night, or to walk to some quiet remote part of grandfather's property. (Unless possibly at gunpoint.)

She had agreed to go to his house at very least. Maybe a walk on the property was better to her than going in the house. He had a new girlfriend maybe CS thought going in the house looked bad.

 

[RunDaSurf]

Walk on the property doesn't explain where Nala the dog was. Wish we knew about grandfasther

 

[Kapua]

I imagine that he told her that he wanted to talk about the baby. JMHO, but that's what tied them together. Girlfriend was on the mainland and he could have told her they were finished, for all we know. As to Nala, she trusted SC, so he was good as long as he didn't kill her in Nala's presence. He either left Nala in Haiku and made two trips, or drove to Nahiku with a sleepy Charli and dropped Nala off. IMO. :cow::