GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[Mamamerced]

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Being verified worrys me. I dont know that I want it. I will curb my posts to not include information that cant be linked. I was in that Courtroom. Thursday. Got a pic on my phone. I rarely have Thursdays off but I did last week. It wont happen again. To show support of my community for the Scott's and to the Judge. I have no idea what happened to Charli and Joshua Scott. I wish I did. Its all surmised speculation on my part to be clear. I hope this qualify's as a link. View attachment 75984

I agree with you. He's behind bars and the trial is looming. No need to be a VI now. Also you just need to include that what you're posting is your opinion only, MOO, JMO, etc., you don't need to link if you're clear you're only speculating.

 

[Mamamerced]

It means that the Owner/admin have verified your identity. It allows the poster to share information not available from media sources without having to post links or hedge around with "IMHO"s. And it prevents that person from having their posts removed from the board by the moderators. If an unverified inside source, such as a family member or close friend were to post information known only to them without becoming verified, the moderators would remove the post according to their terms of service. It also helps everyone on the board separate facts from opinions.

Yes, thanks, Kapua. My edited version of a VI was pathetic. One caveat, though: not all VIs have their facts straight as I have learned from another case, so it's still up to the reader to decide if they believe what the VI says or not. It's not cast in stone as the truth.

 

[PeterTosh]

Do we know if SC really went to work on Monday morning?

It is well known that Mana Foods confirmed to LE he was indeed at work till 3PM. Thats why his story is faulty. He posted on FB til quarter after 4PM. Then to get his truck down to Ulumalu is 90 minutes. Break down and try repairs. 30 Minutes? Stand by the side of the road and hitchhike back to Haiku? Get from the Hwy to his house? Call Charli. Were is is mysterious ride? Why go to Hana at 430PM when it gets dark around 630 that time of year? Time line does not compute.

 

[RunDaSurf]

It is well known that Mana Foods confirmed to LE he was indeed at work till 3PM. Thats why his story is faulty. He posted on FB til quarter after 4PM. Then to get his truck down to Ulumalu is 90 minutes. Break down and try repairs. 30 Minutes? Stand by the side of the road and hitchhike back to Haiku? Get from the Hwy to his house? Call Charli. Were is is mysterious ride? Why go to Hana at 430PM when it gets dark around 630 that time of year? Time line does not compute.

Right that was Sunday. What was he doing Monday? Did he go to Mana 7AM-3PM Monday? Did no one say a word to him about Charli missing on Monday?

 

[puakenikeni]

Right that was Sunday. What was he doing Monday? Did he go to Mana 7AM-3PM Monday? Did no one say a word to him about Charli missing on Monday?

So glad you're asking this question. I was watching the Disappeared special again, and it has a good overview from the Scott's perspective.

KS and PW went to Makawao around dusk after calling and texting for Charli most of Monday. They found Zoe locked in her place without food. They made a list of who Charli might have done something with and not told her parents, and the only name on it was Steven. The special says they were anxious to talk to him and ask him if he knew anything, on Monday, but they could not locate him.
Now this is after his work day by hours, and does not answer your question, but I thought it worth mentioning. Problem is, they don't say whether they didn't know how to get hold of him or whether they did know and he was not in touch with anyone.

We also know that KS called MPD between 10 and 11 Monday and told them SC was someone likely to be in the mix if Charli was missing, ex and father of unborn child. I also read somewhere that MPD pulled Steven's residence info (from his license or his probation file maybe), so I cannot say that KS gave them his address. But we also know that there were mutual friends like the Gaines couple and the Kaisers and maybe others whom the Scotts may have called asking how to get in touch with Steven, and they failed to contact him.

Then Tuesday, which is when MPD woke up SC before work, the Scotts went out and searched Hana Highway near Keanae, but they had planned to do that because of the cell ping from her phone. It is funny that the Disappeared special does not talk about SC talking to Brooke at work Tuesday and telling the story, or about him going out to help search after work. That is just absent from the narrative, but other sources say it happened.

Monday ... I was hoping someone local would have heard whether he worked that day.

 

[puakenikeni]

Right that was Sunday. What was he doing Monday? Did he go to Mana 7AM-3PM Monday? Did no one say a word to him about Charli missing on Monday?

I have been paying attention to the timeline in everything i have read, and nowhere do I see anything about him brought into the loop prior to Tuesday.
Monday it seems KS was wondering why Charli didn't drop off laundry, but then says she expected no texts or calls from Charli at work, so it took a while to get thoroughly alarmed -- calling her work and coworkers, sisters, Charli's close friends, checking the phone app. They didn't get to her house until daylight was done, and then they really knew it was wrong.

Tuesday they got onto social media, started the FSC FB page, (edit out mistake), searched Hana highway looking for her having rolled car and gone over edge, pulled in Maui Search and Rescue, and it made the nightly news. It all blew up on Tuesday as a serious disappearance. Then as we know on Wed. at dusk they realized it was likely a crime, with the torched truck, started talking about abduction. By Thursday night they knew she was likely dead, due to the condition of the clothes.

So you might say SC had a big breather on Monday, even if he did work. He had time to go out to Keanae.
Any Facebook posting Monday day? Did he ever post from work?

 

[Coldpizza]

Come on guys, please read the rules. There is no excuse as I know they have been posted numerous times.

Social Networks

Regarding Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, and other social networking or blog websites: Links may be used to direct posters to view something on a social networking page. But postings on social networking sites are not considered fact; they are rumor.

Copying and pasting, or taking screen caps, directly from these pages is not allowed. Paraphrasing is okay. (Exception: If the Twitter or Facebook post belongs to a verified news station, it may be copied. But a link should still be provided.)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?65798-Etiquette-amp-Information

More at link

 

[Loio]

Tuesday they got onto social media, started the FSC FB page, made police report...

Officer Natividad testified that Kimberlynn made her report on Monday night.

 

[Loio]

ColdPizza even if you had a convo with the suspect or his girlfriend, posting a pic of your own facebook, that's not allowed?

 

[Coldpizza]

ColdPizza even if you had a convo with the suspect or his girlfriend, posting a pic of your own facebook, that's not allowed?

Thanks for asking :smile:. FB is considered rumor, so it's not allowed.

Think about it, what if it was you being discussed, would you want FB rumor posted all over the internet?

I want justice here as much as the rest of you, but the rules are here for a reason.

 

[PeterTosh]

ColdPizza even if you had a convo with the suspect or his girlfriend, posting a pic of your own facebook, that's not allowed?

A dog could have hacked their FB. You never know. Unless you are a verified news source like the Maui News (Who never likes to report on shark attacks or helicopter crashes because it upsets the sponsors)we dont know who you are.

woof

 

[puakenikeni]

Officer Natividad testified that Kimberlynn made her report on Monday night.

Thanks for pointing out that mistake. I was clear on the Monday evening time and even said that talking about Monday, and yet somehow it slipped into Tuesday list as well. I'll fix it.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thanks for asking :smile:. FB is considered rumor, so it's not allowed.

Think about it, what if it was you being discussed, would you want FB rumor posted all over the internet?

I want justice here as much as the rest of you, but the rules are here for a reason.

I appreciate the guidance.
So just to ask for even more clarity, I understand and always have that a story repeated on Facebook is rumor. I considered that the official suspect's account could be used to TRY to create some sort of "alibi" for time frames, and that the existence of a post on that account, at that time, is a fact. Anything it said could be believed or disbelieved, but it's a fact that the post is there. It's also a fact that someone else could log in to help create an alibi, or could be used unknowingly in that way.

Is it not OK to ask about the time frame for when posts were made, not relying on the content of the posts to give us truth?
And here I am not asking about anyone's FB other than the suspect awaiting trial.

Think about it, what if it was you being discussed, would you want FB rumor posted all over the internet?​

I would not want people believing stuff about me that was said on other Facebooks.
As for my own Facebook posts being discussed, I take responsibility for my public posts. If I don't want them noted, I don't make them.
Just my own perspective. To me it's like going and shouting in the town square. If I don't want public attention, I don't post publicly or complain when people see my posts. I control the privacy settings.
But I want to obey the guidelines here, for sure.

 

[Loio]

Thanks for asking :smile:. FB is considered rumor, so it's not allowed.

Think about it, what if it was you being discussed, would you want FB rumor posted all over the internet?

I want justice here as much as the rest of you, but the rules are here for a reason.

Wow. Ok. Well just saying, SC was a FB friend of mine. Can't prove it but he was.

 

[Coldpizza]

Discussing the perps FB is fine as long as it's not private, you just can't copy and paste. You can direct to a certain post on such and such date and paraphrase the content, but that's it.

Remember to link.

HTH

 

[Loio]

" The detective knew but didn't tell Capobianco that Scott's dog had been found in the Nahiku area"

The idea behind this might be that SC would have never come up with the "She followed me back to Haiku" story had he known this.

I'm still stuck on the dog, months later, Nala hounds me (pun intended). Why is SC trying to get his statement to Loo thrown out in regards to that dog? What on Earth did he say? He didn't know Nala had been found on Tuesday morning. OK so what and...?

 

[heartgoesout]

Same here Loio, what did he say?????
Why isn't that being said or reported on?
I assume the judge has read SC comments. The attorneys can discuss his comments without saying what he said I guess?

 

[puakenikeni]

I'm still stuck on the dog, months later, Nala hounds me (pun intended). Why is SC trying to get his statement to Loo thrown out in regards to that dog? What on Earth did he say? He didn't know Nala had been found on Tuesday morning. OK so what and...?

Well, I'll say again what I said earlier and sorry for the repetition.

Who knows what Steven wants, but the goal of the motion is not to get his statement thrown out specifically in regards to the dog. The goal is to suppress the ENTIRE interview, in fact both interviews.

The point about Nala is to try to win the motion -- by bringing up points that suggest the detective considered Steven a suspect who should have been Mirandized. What does Nala have to do with it? Her discovery clean and unharmed, far away from the area SC says he saw Charli driving that night, makes his story unlikely because the dog couldn't travel that far by foot. It makes the idea of carjacking improbable. Therefore Loo may have started wondering about Steven's credibility.

It's not that Steven was tricked into making up the wrong story by withholding the information.
It's all about with what light the police were looking at SC at the time they interrogated him. It's about the Miranda law. Were they really planning to arrest him but not telling him they had information that made him a suspect? Is that a form of custodial questioning? These are the questions.

If Steven's entire statements are suppressed and all the discoveries that came of that fruit, it's good for the defense, how could it not be?
There may be a bombshell there, one statement that makes all the difference, but not necessarily. The more connecting dots get knocked out of the prosecution's case, the better for the defense. Knock out enough evidence and the case falls apart, standard defense strategy.

 

[RunDaSurf]

He has motive, opportunity, no alibi.....
Would we have heard by now if they found a murder weapon and could tie him to it?

 

[Kapua]

He has motive, opportunity, no alibi.....
Would we have heard by now if they found a murder weapon and could tie him to it?

Not necessarily, RunDaSurf, but IMHO, the prosecution has something that ties SC to the murders other than conjecture. I have no clue as to what it is.