GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[Kapua]

Only thing, if he went back to clean up, he did a really bad job.

I think he intended to go back and clean up, but never did. He probably felt that it was too risky. Charli was last seen Sunday night. He had the vehicle to strip and burn, worked that Monday, and Charli's family confronted him Tuesday morning. Once the searches began, he got spooked. IMHO.
:cow:

 

[Mamamerced]

I think he intended to go back and clean up, but never did. He probably felt that it was too risky. Charli was last seen Sunday night. He had the vehicle to strip and burn, worked that Monday, and Charli's family confronted him Tuesday morning. Once the searches began, he got spooked. IMHO.
:cow:

Why do you think he didn't clean up Sun. Night?
Because he needed to Skype his gf?
Because it was dark and he couldn't see well enough to clean up then?

 

[puakenikeni]

Why do you think he didn't clean up Sun. Night?
Because he needed to Skype his gf?
Because it was dark and he couldn't see well enough to clean up then?

True, deciding to defer clean up of a gruesome murder is different from "I'll do the dishes in the morning." Meaning no flippancy.

I'm sure it was very dark, but he should have had some light. I think it's possible the Forerunner was burned on Tuesday (found on Wednesday), just because people were searching all over and no one saw it. But stripping it, yes, accounts for some time Monday. Still I don't see what in the world would keep him from cleaning up Monday if he felt there was important evidence left at the site. Agree that once searching began it was dangerous, although he did have the nerve to tell Malika in the interview that he was venturing out on his own after the others supposedly became hostile to him.

Kapua, you think he killed them at Honomanu then, I assume from your post? Not closer to home?

 

[puakenikeni]

Regarding the light that night, the moon was between the first quarter and full moon. The full moon was the following Friday.
According to online tables I found, the moon was at 81.4% illumination power. It rose in the mid-afternoon and set about 3 AM. At 9 PM it was full overhead. (Clouds or rain not factored in.)

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Hey so I am convinced Steven was posting on these boards in the early days of Charli's disappearance. I searched for certain members that were only around for 8-10 posts or less and fit his schedule of arrests. Three stood out like a sore thumb and I narrowed it down to two. Taking into account what Pua posted about Steven's narcissitic behavior I figured Steven would have wanted a piece of the action and actually leave hints and clues. Like a modern day ransom note, I think some of the stuff written by Manxcat deserves some attention.

Thoughts?

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Steven skyping Cass at 2am is just heresay correct? We do not have confirmation that he skyped her at all that night, much less that it was a nightly ritual.

Because if there was no so-called skyping, then he had all night to get himself together.

 

[puakenikeni]

Those who knew SC may have some belief about the general ritual, but I believe it was Steven's statement that he Skyped. She did meet with family members when she arrived, and I assume there was discussion of contact that night, but I don't know that. So for now, hearsay. The trial should produce any info the police garnered about his phone and skype, but right now, the police are the only ones with that info -- the police, prosecution, and the defense.

 

[puakenikeni]

Hey so I am convinced Steven was posting on these boards in the early days of Charli's disappearance. I searched for certain members that were only around for 8-10 posts or less and fit his schedule of arrests. Three stood out like a sore thumb and I narrowed it down to two. Taking into account what Pua posted about Steven's narcissitic behavior I figured Steven would have wanted a piece of the action and actually leave hints and clues. Like a modern day ransom note, I think some of the stuff written by Manxcat deserves some attention.

Thoughts?

I think that's an awesome idea. While SC may never have heards of Websleuths before, I remember that the site got linked in places Steven was reading. The Study page was one IIRC.

 

[puakenikeni]

Very interesting. The post praising Crabapple Jones is hard to fathom in light of SC apparent inability to say nice things in order to become less suspicious. Certainly this person advocated looking for someone else as the perp.

I need to read the early pages again. I just realized it's been a year since I first found this site and read everything in one massive download to my brain. The first theories were so fresh and not as frustrated as we are now, but new facts have come to light.

One group of posts I noticed in passing brings up BS's comment that the discovery site area had been searched before. There is some spec that the clothes and all were not even there when the searching began, as they may have been hard to miss if they were there, and maybe got brought out there later. Did anyone ever get clarification on whether the exact spot had been searched?

 

[Mamamerced]

Steven skyping Cass at 2am is just heresay correct? We do not have confirmation that he skyped her at all that night, much less that it was a nightly ritual.

Because if there was no so-called skyping, then he had all night to get himself together.

I was thinking the gf had given that information, but if it was SC then my question is invalid...and I think you're correct that it was SC.
So much has been deleted from WS and the FB pages, but I thought the gf had addressed this point. If not, then at least LE hopefully would ask Her to corroborate his story, but as Pua says, we'll have to wait for the trial to find out.

 

[Mamamerced]

I need to read the early pages again.
One group of posts I noticed in passing brings up BS's comment that the discovery site area had been searched before. There is some spec that the clothes and all were not even there when the searching began, as they may have been hard to miss if they were there, and maybe got brought out there later. Did anyone ever get clarification on whether the exact spot had been searched?

Yes, I remember that as well, Pua. Was it searched twice in the same day? I remember one of Charli's sisters thought SC acted protective of a particular area so she later went back to re-search and then found the clothes (?)...if my memory serves me.


I've also wondered if SC got to the search site before the others. Risky, but he could have (if indeed he had) planted the clothes that day.

 

[Mamamerced]

Pua and/or Nikki,
How can we find Manxcat posts without going through the threads?
There was one other person many of us thought might be SC. Do either of you remember the name? I thought it was a reference to the ocean or an area, possibly beginning with the letter P?

 

[puakenikeni]

Pua and/or Nikki,
How can we find Manxcat posts without going through the threads?
There was one other person many of us thought might be SC. Do either of you remember the name? I thought it was a reference to the ocean or an area, possibly beginning with the letter P?

MM, you can go to forum search advanced and put in the username box. Then click on any result with the name and select see all posts.

 

[heartgoesout]

Nothing Manxcat wrote strikes me as being SC. And I can't remember the other name. Nikki might remember other names?

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Manxcat stands out for me because he contradicts himself.

I tried c&p the contents of his 8 posts but I hit a character limit.

His first post he says focusing on Steven is not the way to go.

His second post he talks about the Lincoln interview being taken out of context and again, looking for another perp.

Third post is about the artwork on his facebook (man with umbrella, child in the rain). He gives a lot of info!

Fourth post is ID'ing with fondness the Capobianco's property - saying how beautiful it is.

Next post he struggles again with Steven being the only perp. And then a little while later he is asking where to find the Study facebook page.

Following that post he posts a link to disposing of human remains. He also pleads: "I just want to say, some of you are very negative about others on this site and those on FB. Mostly people are trying to help find Charli. Please let me and others work the case as we choose to. I for one am impressed with Crabtree, the Study's and others efforts. Whether on the Mainland or on the island input is necessary and contributors are needed . Maui does have a different culture than the Mainland. I have family there. They tell me "something has changed here since this started" and its not good. Charli needs to be found ASAP".

His last post volunteers info regarding cell tower dumps and he reiterates how important it is to find Charli.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

No one ever replied to his comments, nor did they quote him. He went ignored. Junglemama was another Steven supporter. I might be wrong and if Manxcat or Junglemama happens upon this site again, I apologize for calling them out.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

As someone pointed out before, Steven also referred to us as "idiots on the internet." Lol. So we know he fishing around for info.

 

[heartgoesout]

Neither really strike me as anything other than questioning normal things. Especially in the beginning when I too wanted to give SC the benefit of the doubt. There was another name that I just can't remember. Mamamerced, think with me what the heck was the name? Nikki, I think you got banned for a little for calling them out.

 

[puakenikeni]

It's cool to see the conversation livening up again here. I'm going to reread the first topic. Hit a busy patch at home but following along.

Re the long post on NPD qualities, I do think they fit SC extremely well. Also there is nothing that does not fit. At first he was relatively cooperative, but as soon as he started getting negative press, his personality got very sulky, withholding, insulting, accusatory, and wounded in affect. Then there was a Facebook page exposing his secret ID and commenting on his posts criticly. Most people would not like that, but for NPD it was not tolerable. It is notable that this guy (the family and the state believe) murdered and dismembered his girlfriend and unborn child, and yet his whole concern becomes about the PR he is getting as if he doesn't deserve the flack. He really shows no signs of remorse to this day.

After the forensics comes back, and Charli is declared deceased, he starts to unravel even more, issues ultimatums about his stuff to the family, engages KS in a conversation where he threatens her that she will see the monster, then sends a terrorizing snap chat pic to a teenage sister and maybe others. He then recklessly disregards a bench warrant and finally goes into the station wearing an illegal knife. Wow.

You can see the disproportionate value he puts on his image, and how losing his fan club shakes him up. Then he makes that switch to -- fine, I'll just embrace the notoriety and show my evil side, because, I think, he hates the comments dismissing him as nothing, insignificant. He needs to show them he is something. He is evil, a monster, they cannot ignore him.

I don't see this personality as ever being likely to show compassion for the family by revealing the location. The only way he would is if he believes the knowledge will hurt them more. He will never want to help heal them.

All that said -- I think his comment about Charli having "a mouth on her" that could piss people off, which many here have discussed -- says it all about why he had to kill her, silence her. As a narcissist who had been relating to Charli for five years or so, he probably had a mental file folder of every remark ever said that denigrated something about his wonderful self's behavior. This type cannot abide criticism. It sounds like she was fairly deferential to him when they lived together, and served him, catered to him, and so forth, but now she was making her own decisions about a child without regard to how he felt or what he wanted (in his mind). Unacceptable.

 

[Mamamerced]

Neither really strike me as anything other than questioning normal things. Especially in the beginning when I too wanted to give SC the benefit of the doubt. There was another name that I just can't remember. Mamamerced, think with me what the heck was the name? Nikki, I think you got banned for a little for calling them out.

I can't remember the name, either. The person wasn't on too long and someone/s alerted us to be cautious because they felt it was SC. I just scanned the first thread without seeing the name. I'll scan #2 tomorrow hopefully with more luck.
I think NL was sentenced by a WS mod. to a TimeOut for some perceived TOS transgression.