GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[RunDaSurf]

My personal feeling is that Nala being found unharmed and obviously transported by car shot to hell whatever frame up of some other assailant that he was trying to sell. The location was so wrong for where he was intimating she could have run into trouble. Nala being found started his whole lie unraveling bigtime. He can't suppress that Nala was found, but whatever he said about Nala could also damage him.

Maybe he tried to frame someone in Nahiku.

 

[Kapua]

To coat tail off my own post, the info we are speculating about is from Steven's story. It is possible NONE of that happened. I'm just thinking out loud. I'm not saying any of the below is possible or not, I'm just saying just because he said it does not make it fact. It's so hard to release his story from my brain.

1. We do not know it as fact that she picked him up at 8:30pm or for that matter that she picked him up at all.
2. We do not know it as fact that Steven told her his car was stuck/broken down. We don't know what he told her. He could have, for example, told her he lost his dog and could she help him find it. Or he could have never made that call. Maybe they never spoke.
3. We do not know it as fact that they didn't meet somewhere.
4. We do not know it as fact that Nala was actually with her at any point after she left being with her family.

Tired, but hoping I made my point. Pau, you are so good at your posts. Can you scrap away his story and just post a timeline of facts?

Steven's grandfather whom he was living with I believe is the testimony I most want to hear.

When we on this forum first had that AHA! moment that the only source of the broken down/stuck truck story was SC himself, we considered the possibility Charli never made it out of Haiku alive. SC could have taken only the clothing and jawbone and planted the evidence at Honomanu. I'm not sure if that is consistent with the blood evidence found at Honomanu, but many possibilities present themselves when you dismiss his story as pure fiction.

 

[Napili]

I haven't heard whether they called her phone number to locate it where it pinged at Honomanu, but likely. Steven might have been out there to do that as well. In past posts, it was suggested that the clothing, blanket etc were found after they had already searched that location and not found them. Is this true?

 

[heartgoesout]

I'm confused on this!!
""Hearsay for now:
the police gave the grand jury some evidence that a truck lifted like SC's and with blurry photo of driver that could be Steven was captured on camera in Paia at a time when he later claimed his truck was disabled out near Keanae. ?What night was this?

From the Ladle indicated he initially said his truck was there overnight. ?Saturday night??

fromtheladle said SC was seen "in Hana" by someone late that night ?what night? miles past Keanae, in a car not known to be his."" ?How can he be possibly seen in his truck but then in a car not known to be his??

1. SC's truck, by all accounts, including a sighting of his truck in Paia on 2/9, was not in Keanae overnight. What time?

2. SC was possibly seen in Hana, dozens of miles passed Keanae on 2/9 late at night, in a vehicle not known to be his.

 

[Kapua]

Here's a little visual of Honomanu. This link also describes the road and area.
http://mauiguidebook.com/beaches/road-to-hana-beaches/honomanu-bay/

 

[heartgoesout]

I haven't heard whether they called her phone number to locate it where it pinged at Honomanu, but likely. Steven might have been out there to do that as well. In past posts, it was suggested that the clothing, blanket etc were found after they had already searched that location and not found them. Is this true?

I remember reading that too. Not sure when it was first searched or how positive those people are that that stuff was not there the first time around.

 

[heartgoesout]

In regards to Charli, SC is unaccounted for: (all times approximated)
Sunday 2/9/14 after 8pm until a 2:00am skype call. = 6 hours
Assumption only, let's say the call lasted 1 hour and he was to be at work at 7am on Monday 2/10/14 = 4 hours

Monday 2/10/14 7am work (seems he normally works until 3pm), he is unaccounted for until the next day, Tuesday 2/11/14 at 6am when police come knocking. = 15 hours

So up to this point there are approximately 23-25 hours he is unaccounted for.

Tuesday 2/11/14 works till 3pm meets with CS family till unknown time. He has a lot of unaccounted time Tuesday after searches, late night until Wednesday morning when he either goes to work or goes to police station.

Sorry for revisiting that, typing it out helps me think.

I think Tuesday after the searches he went back down that road. I'm thinking he thought he would have more time to go back again later and clean up more because they had already searched that area. He didn't expect searchers to go back.
Is it possible he set her body on fire there and then? This could explain why only parts of her where found. Bones and small teeth he accidentally left behind? He took the clothing and planted it on purpose or they fell out of a bag? He then went and used the same method to burn her car. Was his plan to go back and retrieve the clothing but ran out of time and the searchers found them?
I'm just thinking out loud. Please feel free to poke holes in that. And I apologize for the awful description. Makes me sad typing it. I just want the truth for Charli and Joshua's justice and her family.

 

[puakenikeni]

I remember reading that too. Not sure when it was first searched or how positive those people are that that stuff was not there the first time around.

Yes, I read that here, as a secondhand without an exact quote though. My memory says it was from Brooke, but I am fairly sure I've never seen or heard the exact quote.
The area is dense, so it would be easy to miss stuff, but maybe not so much the clothing which was close to the road.
The searchers on Thursday found the evidence when light was dim, and the police found the rest in the "same area" the next day, so it was possible to find some or not all of it. (The dim light may have been the cause of that, then again there may have been some separation of the evidence.)

 

[heartgoesout]

Now all I can picture is the burning skull painting...

 

[puakenikeni]

Here's a little visual of Honomanu. This link also describes the road and area.
http://mauiguidebook.com/beaches/road-to-hana-beaches/honomanu-bay/

Thanks! I spent some time searching through guidebooks online trying to find more about Paraquats, including this guide, which I thought had the best detail. I was going to post the links but wasn't sure if they were wanted. I saved them and will add the links here.

I am fairly clear now on the road into Honomanu Bay, but I am still confused about Paraquat's, and would love more info on that. Is it out towards the point or around the point to the east of Honomanu?

This short video is labeled Paraquat's, is that correct or is this Honomanu?
https://myspace.com/kuauboyz/video/paraquats-beach-maui/17398247

This Panoramio photo is labeled "road to black Honomanu beach" and shows a dirt access road with big mud puddles through jungle. Which road is this?
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/77532276
and this one is labeled black sand beach "near" Honomanu.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/15132892
This pic is labeled near Nua'ailua Bay (I have read that Paraquat's is between Honomanu and Nua'ailua bays).
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/73480387

Can any of you Maui folks explain more what these pics show, and where Paraquat's access is? Is there a different road in from Hana Highway or do you come in through the Honomanu access?

 

[puakenikeni]

I'm confused on this!!
""Hearsay for now:
the police gave the grand jury some evidence that a truck lifted like SC's and with blurry photo of driver that could be Steven was captured on camera in Paia at a time when he later claimed his truck was disabled out near Keanae. ?What night was this?

From the Ladle indicated he initially said his truck was there overnight. ?Saturday night??

fromtheladle said SC was seen "in Hana" by someone late that night ?what night? miles past Keanae, in a car not known to be his."" ?How can he be possibly seen in his truck but then in a car not known to be his??

1. SC's truck, by all accounts, including a sighting of his truck in Paia on 2/9, was not in Keanae overnight. What time?

2. SC was possibly seen in Hana, dozens of miles passed Keanae on 2/9 late at night, in a vehicle not known to be his.

Sorry about confusing things. From the Ladle said the Paia sighting on Sunday 2/9 (time has NOT been released to public) contraindicated his truck being stuck overnight in Keanae, meaning Satuday night. SC worked on Sunday. There may be an early version of his story that he went out to Hana Saturday and had to wait to get it until after work the next day, and another version where the whole truck incident happened on Sunday after work. SC told the family at least three versions, and who knows to the MPD.

In any case, the Paia pic is supposed to be at a time on Sunday when his truck should have been stuck. The question remains whether it is truly a pic of SC in his truck, because the motion argued it was at best a possible sighting of a similar truck driven by someone of similar description, blurry.

FTL's other info says that he was seen in Hana past Keanae, that would be Sunday night, in a vehicle not his own (no comment on whether it could have been Charli's Forerunner). No other source on this, hasn't been in the media, has rumor status at this point. I am not treating it as a fact. But if SC was seen, and knew it, that could account for him admitting that he was out in that area on Sunday with Charli instead of saying he had no clue where she was.

As a note: it has been said that they had similar vehicles. I haven't seen a pic of the truck Steven was buying, but from the motion description of the grand jury evidence, Steven had a lifted truck at that time. Charli's Forerunner was not lifted, and is not a truck either, so while they at one time both had Forerunners, that doesn't seem to be the case on the date in question. (If SC still had one, it may not have been running?)

 

[puakenikeni]

In regards to Charli, SC is unaccounted for: (all times approximated)
Sunday 2/9/14 after 8pm until a 2:00am skype call. = 6 hours
Assumption only, let's say the call lasted 1 hour and he was to be at work at 7am on Monday 2/10/14 = 4 hours

Monday 2/10/14 7am work (seems he normally works until 3pm), he is unaccounted for until the next day, Tuesday 2/11/14 at 6am when police come knocking. = 15 hours

So up to this point there are approximately 23-25 hours he is unaccounted for.

Tuesday 2/11/14 works till 3pm meets with CS family till unknown time. Has a lot of unaccounted for time Tuesday after searches, late night until Wednesday morning when he wither goes to work or goes to police station.

Sorry for revisiting that, typing it out helps me think.

I think Tuesday after the searches he went back down that road. I'm thinking he thought he would have more time to go back again later and clean up more because they had already searched that area. He didn't expect searchers to go back.
Is it possible he set her body on fire there and then? This could explain why only parts of her where found. Bones and small teeth he accidentally left behind? He took the clothing and planted it on purpose or they fell out of a bag? He then went and used the same method to burn her car. Was his plan to go back and retrieve the clothing but ran out of time and the searchers found them?
I'm just thinking out loud. Please feel free to poke holes in that. And I apologize for the awful description. Makes me sad typing it. I just want the truth for Charli and Joshua's justice and her family.

Thanks for listing the times he had free. Very useful!
I do not think he burned the jaw and tooth, though can't say about the rest.
The reason I say so is her dentist was able to identify the tooth as hers through dental records, and a fire directly applied to the tooth would likely damage it too much. Also they did a trauma analysis on the jaw, and nothing was said about any burning. But the defleshing was discussed. So that seems incompatible with any burning.

Could these have been accidentally separated from her remains? I lean towards thinking they were, perhaps because he was out there doing stuff in the dark and had come back after some decomp had occurred that allowed the jaw to separate.

Yes it is horrible to talk about, but we all just want the truth of what happened to her, no one enjoys talking about grisly stuff I am sure, I know I don't. I was raised vegetarian and can barely handle seeing meat packages from the store, so trust me I don't like it, but it happened so it needs to be addressed.

 

[heartgoesout]

Your post didn't confuse me, I think I was always confused. lol lol Now I'm just confusing myself!
ok, so let me see if I have this right...
At some point either very late Saturday night (technically Sunday 2/9) there was a possible sighting of his truck in Paia. This time could be anywhere from 12:01 midnight 2/9, to let's 8:30 pm Sunday 2/9, because during this time his truck was supposedly stuck.

Then, very late Sunday night, (possibly the am hours of Monday 2/10) SC was possibly seen in Hana, dozens of miles passed Ke'anae, in a vehicle not known to be his.

right?

 

[Napili]

From Pua's excellent time line:"There were some atypical posts on SC's Facebook account from about 3-4:15 PM and late in the evening. (Not necessarily made by SC.)"

The same type and volume of atypical posts were on SC's Facebook on Monday.

 

[Loio]

Sorry if this has already been posted by another but it is highly likely that Charli told her family that she was tired and needed gas as an excuse to leave early to go see SC. I'm back to my original idea that Charli didn't leave Haiku alive. Aside from info I'm not at liberty to discuss, Charli WAS NOT STUPID! There is no way on Earth she got in a car with SC to take a drive to Hana at night. She knew him better than that. He lied and asked her to spend the night. From his interview with Mikela, "I was coming around to the idea" of being a father. A line I'm sure he used to lure her over to "discuss baby names and stuff like that." Nala, the mystery dog was crisp and clean at Nahiku market because he dropped her off after disposing of Charli's things at Keanae. SC tried to decapitate his victim but seeing how he only had his light tools, it was very difficult to severe through the spinal cord and he ended up with her jaw. Her fingernails? Fighting him they popped off (in the car) and he balled those up with her other belongings.

It's local knowledge that Charli's truck (please stop calling it an suv, islanders call it a truck, it has a Toyo truck chassis) was not at Jaws Sunday overnight. SC needed time to strip it of all the goodies he'd installed. He was off the radar until Tuesday 6 am, plenty of time to work on one of his "wrecks" in his garage.

The stuck truck on the Road to Hana came about because he needed an alibi as to why Charli's truck was seen that night on the highway.

Fromtheladle says SC told her Charli never left her truck. This is true which is why there's an arson charge.

JMOO

 

[heartgoesout]

"Fromtheladle says SC told her Charli never left her truck. This is true which is why there's an arson charge."

How does that equate to the arson charge?

 

[RunDaSurf]

You missed the SUV vs truck discssuon last year. I think resolution was call SC's a truck and Charli's an SUV to avoid confusion.

 

[RunDaSurf]

It's local knowledge that Charli's truck (please stop calling it an suv, islanders call it a truck, it has a Toyo truck chassis) was not at Jaws Sunday overnight. SC needed time to strip it of all the goodies he'd installed. He was off the radar until Tuesday 6 am, plenty of time to work on one of his "wrecks" in his garage.
JMOO

If he kept her 4runner in his garage Monday when he went to work and people might already been looking for her was he prepared to tell a story he was fixing it for her but didn't know where she was?

 

[RunDaSurf]

Was he at work or off the radar on Monday?

 

[heartgoesout]

Is this the garage that there is a pic on his Facebook page? It's a pic of him selling a truck that's sitting in a garage? The one I said I had a bad feeling about?

From theladle said He was typing with the GF at 2am despite that he was due at work at 7am on Monday.
Other than that comment, I don't remember reading if he did show up for work or not.