GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[puakenikeni]

ok, so let me see if I have this right...
At some point either very late Saturday night (technically Sunday 2/9) there was a possible sighting of his truck in Paia. This time could be anywhere from 12:01 midnight 2/9, to let's 8:30 pm Sunday 2/9, because during this time his truck was supposedly stuck.

Then, very late Sunday night, (possibly the am hours of Monday 2/10) SC was possibly seen in Hana, dozens of miles passed Ke'anae, in a vehicle not known to be his.

right?

Close, but not quite. We won't know until trial when the pic was taken in Paia, but I think it was daytime from the description in the motion of the grand jury proceedings. All we really know is that this pic from Paia would show him at a time he told the police the truck was by the road in Hana, and that is why it was presented to the Grand Jury as evidence his story was false.

Yes the other comment was about Sunday night. FTL did not say "very" late, just late. My guess would be that it was at least as late as the phone ping at 11, whereas he said he started back at 9:30, because this comment is made as something that contradicts his official story. FTL did not say "dozens of miles," just miles. It is roughly 17 miles from Keanae to Hana, about 8 miles from Keanae to Nahiku.

JMO, but I think we are wasting our mental energy at this point in time by trying to figure out any more than that from these comments, which are so vague. It will get presented in court if it is reliable info, and more precisely. I only put the points in the timeline to acknowledge they had been said, as something to keep in mind.

 

[puakenikeni]

You missed the SUV vs truck discssuon last year. I think resolution was call SC's a truck and Charli's an SUV to avoid confusion.

Lolo, I get it that a Forerunner is called a truck and why, I might have mentioned my son owned one. He called it his "work truck." The problem is you start saying truck and a dog riding along in the truck, and people visualize dog separated in the back of a pickup. Calling it SUV conjures up the correct configuration of the seats and the whole body enclosed, dog inside, that is the part that is useful to give the right picture, even if it is not totally accurate about the manufacture and design of the vehicle.

 

[puakenikeni]

"Fromtheladle says SC told her Charli never left her truck. This is true which is why there's an arson charge."

How does that equate to the arson charge?

An arson charge simply alleges he was responsible for burning the vehicle or for someone else burning it. That is all there is to it. Covering up evidence is not part of an arson charge. He's charged with third degree arson, the lowest level of arson crime, because the dollar amount of property destroyed determines the degree.

 

[puakenikeni]

Sorry if this has already been posted by another but it is highly likely that Charli told her family that she was tired and needed gas as an excuse to leave early to go see SC. I'm back to my original idea that Charli didn't leave Haiku alive. Aside from info I'm not at liberty to discuss, Charli WAS NOT STUPID! There is no way on Earth she got in a car with SC to take a drive to Hana at night. She knew him better than that. He lied and asked her to spend the night. From his interview with Mikela, "I was coming around to the idea" of being a father. A line I'm sure he used to lure her over to "discuss baby names and stuff like that." Nala, the mystery dog was crisp and clean at Nahiku market because he dropped her off after disposing of Charli's things at Keanae. SC tried to decapitate his victim but seeing how he only had his light tools, it was very difficult to severe through the spinal cord and he ended up with her jaw. Her fingernails? Fighting him they popped off (in the car) and he balled those up with her other belongings.

It's local knowledge that Charli's truck (please stop calling it an suv, islanders call it a truck, it has a Toyo truck chassis) was not at Jaws Sunday overnight. SC needed time to strip it of all the goodies he'd installed. He was off the radar until Tuesday 6 am, plenty of time to work on one of his "wrecks" in his garage.

The stuck truck on the Road to Hana came about because he needed an alibi as to why Charli's truck was seen that night on the highway.

Fromtheladle says SC told her Charli never left her truck. This is true which is why there's an arson charge.

JMOO

Are you saying that Charli left early enough to get gas that night? Hmm, I thought she only mentioned her gas. Would she go to Hanzawa's? It closes at 8, right? I didn't realize she left in time to get to a station closing at 8, thought she left the party at 8. Do you know?

It totally makes sense that he needed to make up a story about her vehicle because it was seen that night. It makes sense of why the story was not very well practiced, because it was not part of his original plan to tell this story.

What does not click for me is why he used Charli's vehicle to go to Honomanu and Nahiku, especially if there was blood evidence in it.

Fingernails (the whole nail) do not pop off in a struggle, as far as I know. Nails get broken in struggles, yes, but it takes a lot of deliberate force (like torturers use pliers) to take off a nail. But they would fall off during decomp. This theory does not explain how the jaw was defleshed between Sunday and Friday, so I think there is a little more needed to get it completely right.

Also if he killed her in Haiku, why would he be trying to decapitate her somewhere he only had light tools instead of at home? I don't understand that. (Personally I think the extra light tools thing was a mis-transcription of "extra light and tools" because that's what would make sense in that sentence.)

 

[RunDaSurf]

maybe fake nails

 

[RunDaSurf]

It doesn't matter if she had enough gas or got gas before his house because he obviously had extra around for the arson

 

[heartgoesout]

I think it makes total sense that she did have plenty of gas in the car and as Loio suggests fibbed to her family that she was tired and needed to get gas as to not tell them she was meeting him. Hence the reason he had no problem driving around that night. It's possible they have produced a receipt for gas purchase she made that would back up the fact gas was not an issue that night for Steven. JMO

 

[puakenikeni]

Sorry, too many posts from me, just wanted to respond to points separately. This is the main reason I went from thinking she was killed in Haiku to thinking Honomanu area. The media reported there was blood found on the ground (I think it was on the ground) with the tooth and bone. Blood doesn't keep flowing too long after someone dies.

The police took the family to the spot and told them this is where she was killed, months after they had arrested Steven and had been putting his case together, so doesn't that say their evidence points to the blood being spilled there? That is what Kim Scott imagined in her poem to Charli, that her blood soaked the ground. I could change my mind back to Haiku but that needs to be explained.

Second, it does not make any sense for SC to plant any part of her remains where they would likely be found. His hope of escaping conviction was all based on "no body" -- no proof of her death. That jawbone put an end to his big hope. Now he has to put his hope in legal technicalities. The only reason for him to take her remains out to Honomanu from Haiku would be to hide them where he felt they would never be found. But the clothes were placed in a pile and not far from the road, FTL says they were placed where they would eventually be found. So this needs to be explained, why this damning evidence was scattered around not far from a road.

btw, I found an article today that explained the tape rolls were found separately from the clothes and blanket, and the gloves were found later by a different group of searchers, not all at once. Maui Now article:
http://mauinow.com/2014/02/18/packing-tape-gloves-found-in-search-for-charli/

The woman’s clothing and blanket were found at Nuaʻailua Bay on Thursday — an area known to some as “Paraquat’s Beach” located just east of Honomanū Bay.
The packing tape was found by the same group who found her clothing and blanket; and the gloves were found by a separate search team in an area nearby, said a family friend who is helping with the search. a pair of Charli’s shoes were also found by police.

I guess that answers my question about Paraquat's, that it is the beach at Nua'ailua Bay and not Honomanu Bay?

 

[RunDaSurf]

The media reported there was blood found on the ground (I think it was on the ground) with the tooth and bone. Blood doesn't keep flowing too long after someone dies.

The police took the family to the spot and told them this is where she was killed, months after they had arrested Steven and had been putting his case together, so doesn't that say their evidence points to the blood being spilled there? That is what Kim Scott imagined in her poem to Charli, that her blood soaked the ground. I could change my mind back to Haiku but that needs to be explained.

Not sure what you wrote is all facts. Sorry but this is important. Did Kimberlyn's post say the police showed them it was where she was killed or where they found the jawbone?

 

[heartgoesout]

Maybe the clothes, etc... Placed where they could easily be found...were placed where HE could easily come back and find them. Not necessarily placed where they would be found by others.

 

[heartgoesout]

And why were her clothing and shoes removed? I have never quite understood that.

 

[heartgoesout]

It doesn't matter if she had enough gas or got gas before his house because he obviously had extra around for the arson

We are not really sure when he burnt the car. He had a lot of time on another day to pick up some gas. It would be great if a camera picked him up purchasing gas in a container. Could explain evidence with the arson charge.

 

[puakenikeni]

maybe fake nails

points for thinking outside the box but I don't think so because they had a forensic specialist ID them as Charli's nails, and fake nails don't contain her DNA, obviously.

 

[puakenikeni]

Not sure what you wrote is all facts. Sorry but this is important. Did Kimberlyn's post say the police showed them it was where she was killed or where they found the jawbone?

That is a good question, and thank you for reading carefully and questioning. First the blood being found with bone and tooth was reported, and maybe I can find that.
I looked at her poem wanting it to be only the spot where the bone was found but could not support my own reading. I would have to go back and find the discussion.

 

[puakenikeni]

I think it makes total sense that she did have plenty of gas in the car and as Loio suggests fibbed to her family that she was tired and needed to get gas as to not tell them she was meeting him. Hence the reason he had no problem driving around that night. It's possible they have produced a receipt for gas purchase she made that would back up the fact gas was not an issue that night for Steven. JMO

I wasn't concerned about the actual gas or lack of gas. I was thinking that if you are at a party and you tell people you need to leave to get gas, and the last gas station in the area is already closing before you are out the door, and everyone there knows when the gas station closes, the story would not be believed.

So either she left in time to get to the gas station, or she did not tell them she planned to get gas that night, which means she did not use it as an excuse.
I was just trying to confirm with Lolo for local knowledge if there is a station open later than 8 PM on Sunday night in the vicinity of her normal route.

I don't have a problem with her making an excuse to go see Steven, perfectly likely, for example saying she was tired. I just don't like to add details to the narrative unless we are sure they are right.

Although I will say that 5-6 months pregnant is not a sexy time for most women, and according to Brooke she would have been up 20 hours when she was driving back:
http://khon2.com/2014/02/11/pregnant-woman-goes-missing-on-maui/

They think she may have gotten into an accident in that area and that she may have fallen asleep at the wheel.
“She works early in the morning. She probably had been awake for 20 hours at the point when she was driving back,” Brooke Scott said.

Do the math and that puts her getting up that last morning about 2-3 AM if Brooke's figuring it right. So she would be tired by 8 PM. A normal waking day is only 16 hours, and pregnant women need more rest.

I agree she would not have agreed to go out to Keanae, total false story doubtless, but I don't think it would be a fib to say she was tired after working that day and needing to work early the next day. I think she would be running on fumes. And I don't think she was planning on spending the night with Steven because her other dog was locked up without enough food and water to last through the next work day, and I think SC mentioned that in his interview because she mentioned it as a concern. But agreeing to go to his house and talk seems likely enough.

 

[RunDaSurf]

points for thinking outside the box but I don't think so because they had a forensic specialist ID them as Charli's nails, and fake nails don't contain her DNA, obviously.

Not obviously. Fake nails that were glued to her real nails would have DNA from her real nails and maybe layer of her real nails

 

[puakenikeni]

RunDS,
I think the source of the blood was never clear from the media, some examples being:

Forensics are being done on a bone and blood found at the crime scene near Keanae.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24885045/significant-developments-in-charli-scott-case

Police sources say they also recovered blood, a tooth and a bone.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...sing-pregnant-woman-indicted-on-murder-charge
Could have been the blood on the clothes although that was not the same search.

I will see if I can find what Kim said.

 

[puakenikeni]

Not obviously. Fake nails that were glued to her real nails would have DNA from her real nails and maybe layer of her real nails

You may be right and don't want to argue. Very little I have seen about the fingernails.
This is the media quote I have:

a Honolulu Police Department DNA specialist who examined fingernails suspected to be Scott's.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...efense+motion+details&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&&ct=clnk

 

[puakenikeni]

And why were her clothing and shoes removed? I have never quite understood that.

My guess would be he took them off and wrapped her in the blanket she kept in her 4R, which was the item with the maggots. And not having the clothes would either speed up the process or would be part of dismembering, or separated from her to make it harder to identify, or all of the above ... none of it pretty.

 

[puakenikeni]

I'm beat now from finding stuff, if I don't reply to replies it's because I have very long busy days from now through Sunday. I might have some time or I might not.
RDS, here is what KS wrote:

"I saw the place you know.
On Your birthday they showed us where they found what he carelessly left us of You.
Brooke and i clawed out earth that had been soaked with your blood. We will always keep it. I wish I could tear it all out- leave a big black hole where You and Your son bled."

So yes, she says it is the place the evidence was found. But she also seems to think the earth had been soaked, and that this is the place where they bled, mother and child. Is that a fact she was given or is it imagining? I don't know. What do you think?
In any case she does not seem to be thinking that Charli and Joshua died somewhere else. She would know as much as anyone what had been found, outside of the police.

It's not definitive, but it made me rethink my original idea of Haiku, and also BS originally thought Haiku as well, BUT recently she has been mentioning Charli was a kidnapping victim and held against her will in the car, which also goes against the idea of her coming to the Haiku house and meeting an end there.

I don't have a firm idea, but when I hear a theory I think of all the facts that need to fit ... and so far it is hard to find a perfect scenario.