GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[heartgoesout]

We will not forget you Charli and Joshua.

 

[puakenikeni]

Hugs and strength to the brave unicorns. Remembering Charli and Joshua who should be with you today.

 

[heartgoesout]

I wonder if Charli stopped and got gas on her way back? I know we talked about this but it was so long ago. Is it possible? or do all gas stations along her possible routes have video surveillance that show no activity of her?
I really am starting to think that they did travel up Hana Rd. I know we also discussed acid being used. My mind is spinning today. Must be the date : (

 

[Kapua]

I have been thinking about the blood and the pants found at Honomanu. I went back and found this link: http://www.mauinews.com/page/content...on.html?nav=10

This is ridiculously obvious... wherever the scene of the murder was, considering the number of stab wounds, there would have been a considerable amount of blood at the scene.

Blood is not so easy to clean up. This trips up a lot of killers.

There are a lot of things we don't know about this case. And one thing that we don't know is if Charli's blood was found at the scene of the crime, wherever that may be, or if blood evidence will link SC to the crime.

 

[heartgoesout]

It's been reported that there is no DNA evidence that links SC to the murder. So I am assuming if they have blood they have very little... and what they do have didn't come back as hoped, hence the additional testing.

I keep hoping that belt knife holds evidence.

I also hope LE knows so much more than we've been privy to.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I'm troubled by what Pua said a couple of pages back about the case being a little thin against Steven.

I wish the news outlets didn't make s**t up. I read an article yesterday regarding Marsy's Law that said the jawbone had been found weeks after searching. Was it really weeks? I thought it was in the first 7 days. Anyway, when the facts stated by MSM are incorrect, how can we dissect, discuss and obsess without going in circles? Thank God for Pua.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

And omg if I read ONE MORE report of Charli "driving her vehicle" out towards Hana to help an ex-boyfriend. Just stop it already.

 

[Kapua]

It's been reported that there is no DNA evidence that links SC to the murder. So I am assuming if they have blood they have very little... and what they do have didn't come back as hoped, hence the additional testing.

I keep hoping that belt knife holds evidence.

I also hope LE knows so much more than we've been privy to.

LE has the phone records, so they can put together a timeline much better than we can. I'm sure they have quite a few things that we don't know about. And like Nikki, I do not trust the media reports; particularly not when the one I read most recently states that Nala was found in Haiku, not Nahiku.

But back to the blood. I was watching Dateline the other night and the forensic experts were able to test small specks of blood that the killer left at the scene. Check out this link:

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/fluoresceinmethod.html

I'd like to know where LE checked: his home, his vehicle, etc. And what happened to HIS shirt?

 

[heartgoesout]

Unfortunately, these days I think a juries expect magical DNA evidence.

 

[puakenikeni]

I have been thinking about the blood and the pants found at Honomanu. I went back and found this link: http://www.mauinews.com/page/content...on.html?nav=10

This is ridiculously obvious... wherever the scene of the murder was, considering the number of stab wounds, there would have been a considerable amount of blood at the scene.

Blood is not so easy to clean up. This trips up a lot of killers.

There are a lot of things we don't know about this case. And one thing that we don't know is if Charli's blood was found at the scene of the crime, wherever that may be, or if blood evidence will link SC to the crime.

Thanks for reviving the conversation, Kapua. I tired the link you posted, but got a fatal error. Which article was it? I can probably find a readable page if I know which one.

 

[puakenikeni]

So it may be helpful to post selected quotes from the Jan. 2016 MN article:

further testing was being sought based on results the prosecution received Jan. 7 from DNA testing of clothing recovered from the crime scene a few days after the alleged murder. - See more at: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&&ct=clnk#sthash.tduX1CeX.dpuf

From this we know they are retesting the clothing, not samples from the ground. (But I believe there had been blood on the ground, because of Kim's poem. Blood the police informed them had been there, although no longer visible.)

We know this retesting is not being done on the belt buckle knife. Also SC was not charged for murder after being arrested with the knife in May, only charged with iillegal weapons possession. I tend to think the knife did not give them what they needed. There has not been even one mention of forensics on the belt buckle/knife in all the motion hearings.

The article further states they had a quantity of blood on the skirt. Insufficient quantity is not the issue then. The issue is quality of the sample -- the Hana Highway jungle environment acting on the evidence, the rain and humid air damaging the integrity.

On Feb. 13, 2014, searchers found Scott's black skirt with blood stains at "Paraquats" beach, east of Honomanu Bay. Below the waistband of the skirt, where Scott's unborn son would have been, there were at least 20 holes from a blade, according to the prosecution.
"There were large quantities of blood," Rivera said. "When the lab in Honolulu received the sample, they didn't know it was degraded until they tested the sample. When one test is conducted, it may require further testing."
Rivera said "humidity, weather and rain" had degraded the samples sent for DNA testing. "The results were inconclusive or the samples were too degraded," Rivera said. "There's nothing that ties the defendant's DNA to the crime scene."

We should note that any site where key evidence is found becomes a "crime scene." It does not need to be the site of the actual murder. Tying SC to this evidence (the bloody clothes) would be key because if they can prove he handled the bloody clothes, that goes a long way to a conviction.

What are they looking for in the testing? They know it is her blood, right? They must be looking for DNA that he shed in the process--blood, hair, skin cells?

I think they must be looking for his blood, although I don't see it as a necessity that he would bleed. He admits they were together that night, so his skin cells and hair could be on her unrelated to the violence. Blood could not be believably explained.

I was asked why I said there was blood on the black jeans, and I went back and looked. I was wrong, cannot find the mention of any blood. The only place I found was in a discussion comment made online shortly after the find. That must have gotten into my head. No idea whether that anonymous person knew something or was wrongly assuming.

I have always thought there must be a reason SC would take off his jeans and leave them with the evidence (IF they were his jeans, but then they say they don't have DNA tying him to the scene). I figured they would have her blood on them and thus he would take them off because they were incriminating. I suppose there could be some other reason.

 

[puakenikeni]

I'm troubled by what Pua said a couple of pages back about the case being a little thin against Steven.

I wish the news outlets didn't make s**t up. I read an article yesterday regarding Marsy's Law that said the jawbone had been found weeks after searching. Was it really weeks? I thought it was in the first 7 days. Anyway, when the facts stated by MSM are incorrect, how can we dissect, discuss and obsess without going in circles? Thank God for Pua.

Oh, you are too kind, Nikki, but thank you.
I am with you on major frustration with MSM. They don't bother with accuracy. They repeat old errors. You can tell they just do updates using the file and never bother to think freshly about the case.

I thought the jawbone was found in the search on Friday, Feb. 14th -- two years ago tomorrow. The 5th night after she disappeared. It was only announced as a bone and tooth at the time. But another report has it later. I will have to go back and see if I can find the first mention.

The "weeks after" would fit the time frame of the reclassification of the missing persons case to homicide -- which was due to testing coming back on the jawbone. They still never released the word "jawbone" until July, but you will recall they released it was something she could not live without.

There was some more searching done of the Paraquat's area after the 14th, but it was never released what further evidence they found, if any, after the big finds.

It is really hard to find the MSM that says what got found by which searchers.
Feb 13th - PW and searchers found: Skirt, blouse, bra, blanket (maggots), black jeans, two rolls duct tape, gloves. (Anything else?)

Feb 14th - "shoes and other valuables of hers" in area near where clothes were found.
Link to MSM: http://khon2.com/2014/02/14/new-evidence-found-in-missing-maui-woman-search/

MPD found: jawbone, one or more teeth, fingernails, blood. I am not sure which day now.

 

[puakenikeni]

Sorry my posts are playing catch-up. Because it takes time to find the links and pick out quotes, by the time they go up there are several more posts, which is great to see.

Yes, we are all anxious to hear what MPD has. Good point on phone and computer records. Even the family has not been told. I know they cannot be told anything that might influence their knowledge until after they testify, but I sure do feel for them, waiting and waiting to find out.

I have a bad feeling that they did not search SC's house and possessions until it was way too late. He was only a person of interest, and I have never heard a word about search warrants on him or his grandfather's property at the time of the disappearance.

I do remember something about how MPD could not search the Bernard's house (ex-boyfriend of Mo), because he "had rights." So I figure that SC had similar rights.

Oh, and remember Brooke said it was known that he detailed HIS truck, I think the day after? That should be part of our analysis. FTL said SC is a pig and never cleans anything, so the detailing was notable. How does it fit with the theory that his truck perhaps needed cleaning? I can't remember where I read that, maybe on the Study Facebook? Anyone remember?

 

[puakenikeni]

Now I am getting punchy with too many sources to remember. Edited a couple of today's posts to correct errors.

This news video contains three frames that look so close to Charli's last picture, that they must be the same. Look around time stamp 1:46. (If you pause it you can see the frames if you hover the cursor.) That is how she looked on her last night. Very sweet, young, vulnerable. It is very hard to imagine hurting that face (or any face, but that one in particular).

https://youtu.be/PZHA04P057E?t=1m46s

Edited to fix the video link to start where the photo appears.

 

[Kapua]

Thanks for reviving the conversation, Kapua. I tired the link you posted, but got a fatal error. Which article was it? I can probably find a readable page if I know which one.

Details in Scott case revealed in motion - Maui News.

Funny, I posted the same link in the Timeline thread and it worked perfectly. But I was on my work computer then.

 

[Kapua]

So it may be helpful to post selected quotes from the Jan. 2016 MN article:

From this we know they are retesting the clothing, not samples from the ground. (But I believe there had been blood on the ground, because of Kim's poem. Blood the police informed them had been there, although no longer visible.)

We know this retesting is not being done on the belt buckle knife. Also SC was not charged for murder after being arrested with the knife in May, only charged with iillegal weapons possession. I tend to think the knife did not give them what they needed. There has not been even one mention of forensics on the belt buckle/knife in all the motion hearings.

The article further states they had a quantity of blood on the skirt. Insufficient quantity is not the issue then. The issue is quality of the sample -- the Hana Highway jungle environment acting on the evidence, the rain and humid air damaging the integrity.
We should note that any site where key evidence is found becomes a "crime scene." It does not need to be the site of the actual murder. Tying SC to this evidence (the bloody clothes) would be key because if they can prove he handled the bloody clothes, that goes a long way to a conviction.

What are they looking for in the testing? They know it is her blood, right? They must be looking for DNA that he shed in the process--blood, hair, skin cells?

I think they must be looking for his blood, although I don't see it as a necessity that he would bleed. He admits they were together that night, so his skin cells and hair could be on her unrelated to the violence. Blood could not be believably explained.

I was asked why I said there was blood on the black jeans, and I went back and looked. I was wrong, cannot find the mention of any blood. The only place I found was in a discussion comment made online shortly after the find. That must have gotten into my head. No idea whether that anonymous person knew something or was wrongly assuming.

I have always thought there must be a reason SC would take off his jeans and leave them with the evidence (IF they were his jeans, but then they say they don't have DNA tying him to the scene). I figured they would have her blood on them and thus he would take them off because they were incriminating. I suppose there could be some other reason.

Thank you so much for posting the Jan 2016 link! I had not read this!

They don't have DNA to tie him to the crime scene, but they DO have his own words and his phone records.

 

[puakenikeni]

Details in Scott case revealed in motion - Maui News.

Funny, I posted the same link in the Timeline thread and it worked perfectly. But I was on my work computer then.

Oh, thanks, well Maui News links are temperamental. That is one of the best articles ever for giving a glimpse of the evidence.
I should be using the Timeline topic, and I have not been. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thank you so much for posting the Jan 2016 link! I had not read this!

They don't have DNA to tie him to the crime scene, but they DO have his own words and his phone records.

You're welcome.
Great point. He can never unsay that he was with her in Keanae that night. Never. It was on the news, and with him referring to her in the past tense. What an idiot.

I think the case is probably great circumstantially. It's not like there is any other viable suspect. I don't mean to be negative, especially when there is much I/we don't know about the case. I am now and have been optimistic about SC's conviction.

 

[puakenikeni]

So I just went back and tried to find a reference to exactly when the jawbone was found, and I cannot. If it was said, it was said quite a bit after the fact.
I know the police searched the area the day after the clothes were found. They made multiple searches through early March.

It was a good thing going back. I remember now: there was no official announcement about the bone until March 7th when the homicide was announced publicly after the family was told.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24920248/maui-police-reclassify-charli-scott-case-as-homicide

However, an HNN reporter published an article March 4 and mentioned forensics on a bone and tooth.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24885045/significant-developments-in-charli-scott-case
This was horrible for the family to learn it in the news and not confirmed. And the police told them this was not reliable info, and it was not leaked to the reporter. Everyone was scolding the reporter for printing rumors without a source.
But three days later, MPD confirmed it was true, declining to give details of the case.
News about the jawbone didn't make it into MSM until July when SC was indicted after grand jury proceedings where the info began to trickle out.

 

[puakenikeni]

Do we have a theory as to why he detailed his truck on Monday 2/10? What had he been doing in his truck? All the recent theories posted here only involve the Forerunner. On 2/10 his Facebook shows interest in "Cleaning for a Reason" page.
Link (see comment by BS and reply by "A Study"):
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10202921651377682&id=256898961151448