GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[heartgoesout]

I know this is morbid but now I'm pondering could he have put her body in a fire on the property? Nothing to move and would explain not having to move her, the defleshed jaw bone and possibly the burns on his hands?

 

[Mamamerced]

I think he took out her jawbone/teeth and cut her fingernails/hair off to delay ID'ing of her body. Was he counting on her sketelal remains being found years from 2014 and possibly confused with Laura Vogel or another missing person? Maybe.
It's probable Charli is buried somewhere in a shallow grave out Honomanu way.

Did LE find Charli's hair? And teeth, as opposed to tooth?

Nothing about this sad case is easy to contemplate; but it is a heinous murder, I think we can all agree. With that in mind the following info. is difficult to consider, but... The only parts of a human body that pigs cannot digest are the hair and/or teeth of humans. I couldn't find out about fingernails/toenails, however.

 

[puakenikeni]

I know this is morbid but now I'm pondering could he have put her body in a fire on the property? Nothing to move and would explain not having to move her, the defleshed jaw bone and possibly the burns on his hands?

Doesn't bother me; it's not any more morbid than other scenarios. There is no pretty picture here. Her mother has stated that Charli was dismembered. That is her belief and the picture she carries in her head all the time, along with cruelty, torture, stabbing, possible shooting. We may as well discuss it as dispassionately as we can. The object being to get at the truth and no one enjoying the morbidity here.

I would say a couple things about fire:
1) The scent carries a long way in island air.
2) Many people in the islands have imus on their property, earth ovens for roasting pigs. More commonly people of Hawaiian descent, in my experience, but also other ethnicities. I have owned a couple properties that had an old pit where the imu had been. I am not saying his grandfather had one. No idea. I would bet that Steven's hunter buddies have them. It is the preferred way to roast a wild boar. The process takes place underground so is not as odorous and no open flames.

I'm not saying this is what happened, but saying this would be the island born way. On the downside for the doer, it's a slower process.

I doubt that the jawbone was charred though. That was not part of the discussion in the grand jury testimony.

 

[heartgoesout]

If he killed her close to his or her home, how did the jaw bone get there? Did he move a body or a dismembered body? He seemingly had more time close to home to carry this out. This scenario though he would have had to not only stab and kill her but dismember her. That's a lot.

If he killed her on Hana and left her in a shallow grave, wild pigs could have dismembered and possibly traveled with the jaw bone and clothing to where it was found. Do pigs take what they want or can get and then move to feed elsewhere in private?

 

[heartgoesout]

Just on a thought process, sorry, lol thinking out loud that may not even make sense.
Maybe he had no intention of going back to clean up? Maybe he didn't place red herrings? Maybe he got lucky with wild pigs being at the right place?

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I know this is morbid but now I'm pondering could he have put her body in a fire on the property? Nothing to move and would explain not having to move her, the defleshed jaw bone and possibly the burns on his hands?

I do know burning a body is hard to do. Cremation requires a controlled high degree of heat.

 

[Kapua]

Just on a thought process, sorry, lol thinking out loud that may not even make sense.
Maybe he had no intention of going back to clean up? Maybe he didn't place red herrings? Maybe he got lucky with wild pigs being at the right place?

Maybe he got lucky with pigs, maybe he got lucky with tides and sharks, or maybe he put the bodies in yet another location. I once suggested that he could have put them in a dumpster in Paia, or thrown them off a cliff and let gravity do the heavy work.

 

[east2west]

Did LE find Charli's hair? And teeth, as opposed to tooth?

Nothing about this sad case is easy to contemplate; but it is a heinous murder, I think we can all agree. With that in mind the following info. is difficult to consider, but... The only parts of a human body that pigs cannot digest are the hair and/or teeth of humans. I couldn't find out about fingernails/toenails, however.

Didnt Grant Hayes attempt to dispose of the remains of his ex girlfriend Laura Ackerman in a pig pen? The pigs refused to eat the remains due to the fact that the remains had Muriatic Acid poured over them.

 

[Kapua]

Mark Hacking put his pregnant wife Lori's body in a dumpster and the authorities found her in the landfill after a considerable amount of digging, first with heavy equipment and then carefully with rakes. Had he not confessed and told the authorities the exact dumpster he put her in, her remains might never have been found.

Was the landfill searched?

Also, I keep thinking of the logistics of moving dead weight. Did SC have access to large barrels or an oil drum, something that could be rolled?

 

[puakenikeni]

I think this is reassuring: wild pigs can't account for the jawbone. Pigs eat right through, paying no attention to bones. Not like a dog or cat that eats around the bone. If pigs, there would not have been a jawbone unless it had been previously isolated.

We still don't have a theory for why a jawbone found five days later was described with the word "defleshing."
They just found a dismembered and dumped outside victim on the Big Island, after about four weeks. The body parts were badly decomposed, but not skeletal.

Might be worth noting that the perp there recruited two other men to do the dismemberment and dumping, and he was a stronger guy than SC and a real psycho as far as I can tell, not squeamish. Yet he wanted two guys for the job.

 

[puakenikeni]

If he killed her close to his or her home, how did the jaw bone get there? Did he move a body or a dismembered body? He seemingly had more time close to home to carry this out. This scenario though he would have had to not only stab and kill her but dismember her. That's a lot.

If he killed her on Hana and left her in a shallow grave, wild pigs could have dismembered and possibly traveled with the jaw bone and clothing to where it was found. Do pigs take what they want or can get and then move to feed elsewhere in private?

No, from what I know of them, pigs do not seek privacy or move things to a better location or save them. They do their thing on the spot. They aren't particular and have no finesse, and normally they feed in a herd. (I watch them on my property.)

I posted a pic from an interview online that had a photo of the clothes. They weren't scattered. It didn't generate any discussion at the time, so not sure I can find it, but I can try.

 

[puakenikeni]

So it was from the ladle who said the clothes were placed where they would eventually be found, not in a place possible to be thrown from a moving car, and not on the beach.

We know from the forensic discussions appearing in news articles that the clothes were intact other than the punctures from stabbing and the bra slash. They had to have been taken off her body by a person (human would be too generous a term).

This is a still photo of the clothing (from a video by ABC news):

[video=youtube;okAIVIIT2pU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okAIVIIT2pU[/video] (starts at 1:27, shows the pic twice):

 

[puakenikeni]

I went back and reread the FTL post, memory getting hazy. A few things we have been asking:

1) From the way it is worded, the Skyping ritual comment did not likely come from SC. The info from SC was all noted and along with comments about him, but the Skype comment was different. The "call" he made was long and at 2AM his time and 5 AM her time. I doubt he would have volunteered that to the family. That's 6 hours of mystery time between 8PM and 2AM.

SC was possibly seen in a vehicle not his own in Hana, dozens of miles past Keanae, late at night.

2) The family went to Mana Foods to talk to him at 8 AM Tuesday. (The police had come by his house and woke him up at 5:3-6).

3) SC went down the road near where clothes were found twice, on Tuesday 2/11.

4) At first he had no idea when he last saw her lights. Then it was Ulalena Rd. Then it was Twin Falls. From the post, he was definitely telling a story that led to a conclusion she was abducted while driving.

5) Mentioned SC is a career thief and a lock-picker.
__________

A few thoughts from this:
1) He could have picked the lock at her place if he did not have a key, could have lain in wait inside.
2) Back to the original take on her clothes being found and the phone ping: sometimes the first take is right. He wanted the clothes and that location to be found as proof to LE that she died -- at the hands of a serial killer/psycho. He never planned for her to be forever in "missing" status like Laura Vogel or Moreira Monsalves. This evidence would be found and they would close the book, bury the case because Maui depends on tourism and cannot have a serial killer.

But Nala ruined that whole charade. Nobody at all bought the idea of a serial killer transporting an unharmed Nala. Is it possible that Nala was so mildly behaved with SC that he forgot people would think Charli was too well protected being with Nala? I don't think he expected Nala to be found and returned, but perhaps did leave her in Nahiku because there were people and someone would find the dog (and keep her).

We discussed all of this last year, but the serial killer idea was discarded so quickly it's not mentioned much now. At the time, a lot of media comment sections had support for the idea of a killer on the loose -- until Nala was found and then boom, it was all eyes on Steven.

Why would he go on past Nahiku to Hana (if the sighting was accurate)? Could he have had a spot in mind for disposal, far from both Haiku and where he left her clothing? FTL says he knew all the east side very well, all the accesses, even gated ones.

 

[puakenikeni]

I've had these MMA pages open for two days because they go with the discussion, so pardon me please for another post.

This is the information on the stabbing. Now I see where it says the holes are on one side of the skirt, thanks RDS for bringing that up.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...fef+2014+stab+wounds+skirt+bra&gbv=2&&ct=clnk

This is the article that discusses all the forensic experts and other important details.
It also says Wais testified that SC DID search after Tuesday, after he took the polygraph (Wed. morning?).

 

[Mamamerced]

Pua, thank you for all your research and keeping us on the factual map. Theories are intriguing, but facts are the sign posts.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thanks, Mamamerced, that is indeed why I offer the facts I remember, to keep from straying based on a forgotten or misremembered fact. I do it too. I skip looking up the source because I think I remember, but then I find I have mentally changed it.

Regarding the article I linked, it's too bad it doesn't say which side of her skirt got the focus of the stabbing. This seems to support the idea of stabbing at an angle, and "in the vehicle" is most likely. Passenger or driver?

 

[Nikki Lisette]

This is the information on the stabbing. Now I see where it says the holes are on one side of the skirt, thanks RDS for bringing that up.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...fef+2014+stab+wounds+skirt+bra&gbv=2&&ct=clnk

This is the article that discusses all the forensic experts and other important details.
It also says Wais testified that SC DID search after Tuesday, after he took the polygraph (Wed. morning?).

/csb: Our girl scout troop took self defense classes to earn the self defense patch and since the sensei was super hot, we moms joined in too. Well three sessions later, we learned valuable moves for warding off an attacker.

One scenario that resonates with me as far as Charli's skirt and bra is concerned is when the attacker pins the victim in a car. CA stats at the time said most rapes and attacks were commited in vehicles where the victim had little to no space to defend themselves. Another thing is surprise attacks are carried out by the attacker's dominant hand. Common sense? Maybe. But knowing whether or not Steven was left or right handed would narrow down the possibilities that she was attacked as a passenger or driver.

In my mind, knowing how and where she was attacked is huge because it sets up the rest of Steven's evening.

I really think with correct information and collective minds, we can find Charli Scott. Someone the other day saw me reading Websleuths and made a nasty remark that "I was wasting my time, we weren't going to solve it". Which is like ok, so we're not the Mike Tyson Mystery Team but it won't hurt to try.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Thanks, Mamamerced, that is indeed why I offer the facts I remember, to keep from straying based on a forgotten or misremembered fact. I do it too. I skip looking up the source because I think I remember, but then I find I have mentally changed it.

Regarding the article I linked, it's too bad it doesn't say which side of her skirt got the focus of the stabbing. This seems to support the idea of stabbing at an angle, and "in the vehicle" is most likely. Passenger or driver?

We're on the same track! Beat me to it.

 

[RunDaSurf]

"Where are you? I cannot believe Your flesh, bones and blood have melted away into the mossy earth you died on. I saw the place you know.
On Your birthday they showed us where they found what he carelessly left us of You.
Brooke and i clawed out earth that had been soaked with your blood. We will always keep it. I wish I could tear it all out- leave a big black hole where You and Your son bled. The metaphor would be appropriate."

 

[RunDaSurf]

It doesn't say that is where the murder happened. Just that they were shown where evidence was found.