GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[puakenikeni]

Are you thinking SC purposely let himself be seen in Hana to deflect scrutiny from his Haiku home? That's quite risky, too, seeing as his alibi placed him close to where her clothing, jawbone was found...but it definitely deflects attention from Haiku.
Like you, I don't have one theory. I go round and round.
Wasn't Kim shown a spot near/at Honomanu where LE thought it likely Charli and Joshua had died? (Due to amount of blood?)

Her poem says they showed her and faminly where Charli died. She said the blood soaked the ground, but it was not clear how much of that was poetic embellishment for effect. I don't think they can know that she died there, without a witness. Dismemberment would let loose a flood of blood, if it had not been too long since death.
But I think we should assume that something terrible happened at that spot.

 

[puakenikeni]

So maybe that wasn't his plan maybe his plan was to say she came to his house and then she left alone and drove home? Or his plan was to say he never saw her that night and her family told him something that made him admit he was with her?

I can see how the family pressure could have triggered some unwise (for him) statements, but we know her family didn't know anything. They knew her history of sharing her plans with them unless she was seeing Steven, so they figured her going off the radar had him in the mix. This is in one or more early interviews.

Actually, the police questioned Steven first, woke him up Tuesday morning. So I think we can assume that he told police the stuck truck and Charli helping him story. And the police were in contact with Kim, so maybe assume the police informed her of this new information. Then family members went to Mana Foods. I think it was the two sisters, B & P, but my memory isn't fresh. Then he promised to show them the spot when he got off shift, Tuesday afternoon, which he did.

The police caught him off guard, asleep, so he must have had some version of the Hana story ready to tell. He did change the details, specifically where he last saw her lights changed through the tellings.

 

[puakenikeni]

Building on Kapua's theory that the bodies were thrown into the ocean, Steven would have done that only to get them as far away from his home as possible. Dismembering her would make it more likely that fish would feed on the remains and a whole body wouldn't be found.

I'm not ready to post what I think because I don't know what to think.

But I have given some thought to Charli's phone. Charli's phone is what guided Steven's alibi. If the Scott family hadn't received the ping on her last known location, they wouldn't have searched Honomanu right away. I know there's been some discussion about her body being in Haiku or "upcountry" but that's too close to home for him.

The simplest reason is usually the truthful reason. His or her phone may have gone off causing him to rush and get sloppy. I think he had completely forgotten about her phone being a beacon. Otherwise he could've tossed it out the window along the way. The road to Hana is dark and lonely at night. You can't see into the cars of oncoming traffic.

Why Honomanu? Because it's dense and dark and there's water nearby. Why was he allegedly seen in Hana? Because it's far away from his Haiku home.

I'm not ready with a theory either. All this is very helpful. There are only two major logistical theories: either she was killed out Hana Highway or in Haiku/Makawao; the rest is detail variations. Although there is also the question of whether he had an accomplice/helper.

So with the phone, remember the "ping" doesn't make noise on an iPhone. The ping is not related to a phone call or use of the phone. It's just a powered on phone physically leaving the zone of one cell tower and coming in range of a new tower. So yes it would be easy not to think about that happening. What it does mean is either the phone ARRIVED in that area at 10:56 PM, which is very late for Kapua's theory, OR the phone had been turned off for the ride out, and it was switched on while already in that location, presumably after the murder.

 

[heartgoesout]

I start typing my timeline of what I think happened but I keep coming up with questions and nothing makes sense.
Was the grandfather home? Did anyone hear screams? Was a weapon found? Was Nala dropped off that night? Was she killed at his house? How did he move a body? Did anyone hear a gunshot? How gruesome is he capable of?
I have theories within theories and bits of what I think could have happened but I can't logically put them together in a timeline that makes sense to actually write down in a readable format.

 

[Mamamerced]

Her poem says they showed her and faminly where Charli died. She said the blood soaked the ground, but it was not clear how much of that was poetic embellishment for effect. I don't think they can know that she died there, without a witness. Dismemberment would let loose a flood of blood, if it had not been too long since death.
But I think we should assume that something terrible happened at that spot.

Good point about possible poetic embellshment, Pua.

 

[MamaJoJo]

I start typing my timeline of what I think happened but I keep coming up with questions and nothing makes sense.
Was the grandfather home? Did anyone hear screams? Was a weapon found? Was Nala dropped off that night? Was she killed at his house? How did he move a body? Did anyone hear a gunshot? How gruesome is he capable of?
I have theories within theories and bits of what I think could have happened but I can't logically put them together in a timeline that makes sense to actually write down in a readable format.

That's exactly how I feel, HGO. I will say, though, that I think SC is capable of major gruesomeness and I don't think he had an accomplice.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Pua, you and RDS are a wealth of knowledge. I hope Charli is found before long so that the Scott family has a modicum of closure.

I don't have anything else to add, it's all conjecture at this point. What I considered "facts" are just hearsay, gossip and misprints by MSM.

 

[Kapua]

Building on Kapua's theory that the bodies were thrown into the ocean, Steven would have done that only to get them as far away from his home as possible. Dismembering her would make it more likely that fish would feed on the remains and a whole body wouldn't be found.

I'm not ready to post what I think because I don't know what to think.

But I have given some thought to Charli's phone. Charli's phone is what guided Steven's alibi. If the Scott family hadn't received the ping on her last known location, they wouldn't have searched Honomanu right away. I know there's been some discussion about her body being in Haiku or "upcountry" but that's too close to home for him.

The simplest reason is usually the truthful reason. His or her phone may have gone off causing him to rush and get sloppy. I think he had completely forgotten about her phone being a beacon. Otherwise he could've tossed it out the window along the way. The road to Hana is dark and lonely at night. You can't see into the cars of oncoming traffic.

Why Honomanu? Because it's dense and dark and there's water nearby. Why was he allegedly seen in Hana? Because it's far away from his Haiku home.

The phone ping is why I think the murders occurred in Honomanu. I don't know if SC gave any thought to the phone, but I think it would be more difficult to separate her from her phone while she was still alive.

 

[Kapua]

About the grain of truth in the lies. Thinking about the 4runner and his story she drove him to get his truck that got stuck. After the murder he could parked the 4runner any place and left keys in it walk away leave it in working condition. He had a reason to torch the 4runner. Destroy evidence or just angry taunting or who know.
If his plan was torch the 4runner instead that why not torch it deep in da jungle some place only couple people would ever see it again not know whose is was. Why obvious place of Peahi.
If he torched it hidden in the jungle he would need first hide a vehicle there for him to drive back. Or need someone to pick him up. If he torched Charli’s 4runner and then his truck didn’t start and was parked right next to her burned 4runner oh that’s not good plan. So it had to be Pe’ahi where he could walk home.

Exactly. Another grain of truth in the lies is the "light tools."

 

[puakenikeni]

I've always thought the "extra light tools" was a transcription error of "extra light and tools." Only requires the "and" to drop out of the audio for the error, or even a typing miss.
Nobody says "extra light tools" in re why that would enable fixing a vehicle quickly, whereas "extra light and tools" is exactly what a person needs that would feasibly not have been in the vehicle when it broke down.

Both extra light and tools fit very well with the "grain of truth" idea, so I'm not arguing that. I just think the "light tools" were the subject of so much discussion, including speculation that the job was somehow less speedy because of the extra light tools, and why would he bring wimpy tools that were inadequate, and on and on. I don't think it was what he said in the first place. He was upset about a transcription error.

 

[puakenikeni]

Kapua, I think your theory has a lot going for it, including simplicity. There are two main details that I can't put to rest.

1) His ability to handle her as dead weight. Once he drugged her, she would be very heavy, and he is built very slightly. That is one reason I would consider he may have had assistance.

2) The number of stab wounds. While I guess it is possible to sustain enough rage to stab an unconscious person almost 50 times, I think "normally" stabbing repeatedly is rage feeding off of the victim's reaction to the attack. Also there are signs of possible defensive wounds, specifically armpit stabbing that suggests an arm raised to ward off the weapon.

I need to read the article that discussed the stabbing again. I do not remember the wounds to her skirt area as being on one side of her body as RDS was mentioning, but I may have forgotten.

 

[heartgoesout]

I'm afraid my thought process goes to he had to make her "smaller"...I can't actually say it : (

 

[Kapua]

I've always thought the "extra light tools" was a transcription error of "extra light and tools." Only requires the "and" to drop out of the audio for the error, or even a typing miss.
Nobody says "extra light tools" in re why that would enable fixing a vehicle quickly, whereas "extra light and tools" is exactly what a person needs that would feasibly not have been in the vehicle when it broke down.

Both extra light and tools fit very well with the "grain of truth" idea, so I'm not arguing that. I just think the "light tools" were the subject of so much discussion, including speculation that the job was somehow less speedy because of the extra light tools, and why would he bring wimpy tools that were inadequate, and on and on. I don't think it was what he said in the first place. He was upset about a transcription error.

I re-read the article. I think what he meant to say was extra, light tools as opposed to extra light tools. I don't want to re-spark that discussion except to say that I definitely feel that he brought some tools with him and they were not as light as he would have us believe.
:cow:

 

[heartgoesout]

Please lets not go back to the extra light tools! lol lol lol

 

[puakenikeni]

Aw, but I never got to say my piece on that one. :laughing:

As the sole female in a family of tool-lovin' truck-drivin' fix in' their own vehicles guys with a full set of like-minded friends -- for decades I have heard them talk about taking and bringing and fetching their tools. Never once have they separated them into "light" tools. Mechanic's tools, yard tools, tree-trimming tools, painting tools, concrete tools, fishing gear, yes. Those are all categories I have heard, but never "light" tools.

OTOH, none of them would take off to repair a vehicle at night without a high-powered work light. Lie or no lie, taking a good light makes complete sense and not taking one would be dumb and actually suspicious.

btw, most island guys I know carry a machete routinely (in the vehicle) as a basic multi-purpose tool.

 

[heartgoesout]

It doesn't really matter, really... it is not making or breaking the case. It's a mute point.
All it is now is a curiosity that may never be satisfied.
And with a love for you all tone in my voice, please let's not have 2 pages of rehash on this! : )

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Omg - why did I google "what does a dismembered body look like"? Please DO NOT google it. Very disturbing.

But I looked at those images to see what Charli's killer saw. You'd have to be a maniac to do that to someone you once loved. Most domestic homicides are by shooting, why put so much effort into dismembering her body when she was already gone? So I read a half dozen disgusting websites devoted to consumption of human remains and the proper skinning of a human being and I realize Steven didn't do that. All of the gross websites I visited stressed the importance of a table, buckets, an array of knives and saws and most importantly, time.

I think he took out her jawbone/teeth and cut her fingernails/hair off to delay ID'ing of her body. Was he counting on her sketelal remains being found years from 2014 and possibly confused with Laura Vogel or another missing person? Maybe.

It's probable Charli is buried somewhere in a shallow grave out Honomanu way.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Has a cadaver dog been used? Did I ask that already, what that already answered? Please answer again.

 

[heartgoesout]

sigh... is he really capable of cutting her up? For some reason I just don't see this. But then again I'm not really capable of that thought process.
Could he have burned her body on the property? Maybe salvaging the jaw?
Were her fingernails real or were they fake that was found?

 

[heartgoesout]

Has a cadaver dog been used? Did I ask that already, what that already answered? Please answer again.

Not sure. Was a search warrant ever issued at the grandfather's house he was living at? He wasn't arrested for months after. Does the State have any key witnesses? There's so much we don't know.