GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[puakenikeni]

Thank you for clearing that up, Pua. My bad, I meant to say found on the March 8th search by officer Taylor who searched the stream and other areas. The bone fragment was found near where the jaw bone was found, but almost a month later. Makes me wonder if there are still fragments of bone/evidence there now...?

No bad but a post or two from others thinking it was in the stream, so just clearing up. I knew what you meant, having watched the video ...

I also wonder what was there and so easily missed in the dense jungle and mud. The cadaver dogs really only alerted to that spot by the tree and the one spot on the stream, that I recall from the testimony.

My question from Taylor's testimony (good witness) -- what about that red hair found on barbed wire bordering Hana Ranch? What were the test results?

The person who found it was Shae Pipkin, they said, who is Charli's step-sister I believe, the one Charli stayed with when she moved to the mainland for a brief time. I'm mentioning that because maybe she would be likely to recognize Charli's hair in particular and rule out other red hair that didn't look right.

There you have an area past Hana where he could have gone.

 

[puakenikeni]

Taylor's comment about Hana Ranch land caught my attention, because of the discussion we had about bodies of water and the song lyrics. At the time I mentioned Waioka Pond. The access is over Hana Ranch land, trespassing but done all the time, and there is barbed wire. Was wondering if the hair was near there.

 

[Maisiebelle]

Its one thing to murder someone, maybe in the heat of the moment (or maybe pre planned). Its quite another thing to go back later and dismember the body. I would say that takes a really cold and callous individual to be able to do that.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Today the Forensic Anthropologist testified that the bone fragment from femur or humerus (that was found on the stream) and the marks on the jaw bone were, in her expert opinion, from being dismembered or disarticulated. Rivera asked a hypothetical today that was very disturbing, apparently his theory is that she was left for a few days, decomposing, then he (SC) came back and chopped her up.

WOW, so there it is: Femur or Humerus - leg or arm bone. So she WAS dismembered. That dirty little devil.

So the tape and zip ties would likely have been to seal her body parts up, possibly in a container/box. I need to catch up on this testimony from yesterday. Obviously she was dismembered and I will need to revise my own thoughts about what happened and with what tool/s. How sad. What a way to go. :-(

 

[Kapua]

No bad but a post or two from others thinking it was in the stream, so just clearing up. I knew what you meant, having watched the video ...

I also wonder what was there and so easily missed in the dense jungle and mud. The cadaver dogs really only alerted to that spot by the tree and the one spot on the stream, that I recall from the testimony.

My question from Taylor's testimony (good witness) -- what about that red hair found on barbed wire bordering Hana Ranch? What were the test results?

The person who found it was Shae Pipkin, they said, who is Charli's step-sister I believe, the one Charli stayed with when she moved to the mainland for a brief time. I'm mentioning that because maybe she would be likely to recognize Charli's hair in particular and rule out other red hair that didn't look right.

There you have an area past Hana where he could have gone.

I was also thinking about the cadaver dogs alerting to only two places as I listened to Officer James Taylor's testimony. He and his partner searched the stream bed first and then the area near the road/tree. Interesting that there were 2 distinct areas, nothing in between, and only small parts found. If I recall correctly, the cadaver dogs were brought to 4 or 5 other areas and did not alert. I am again thinking, how fast is that stream and how likely would it be for small body parts (sorry to be gruesome) to be carried out to sea and consumed by sea life? (Sharks, etc.)

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Dr. Taylor says the jaw & tooth fractures occurred at or "around" the time of death. So they would not have been a part of the dismembering which some have speculated occurred days after the murder. So strange, so sad, so gruesome. :-(

 

[puakenikeni]

Re Kapua's question on prior page:
These island streams vary in rate of flow according to rainfall. I have lived on (above) the banks of more than one. Sometimes they flow along slowly, but when rainfall is heavy up mauka, the system flushes out with a whoosh of rapidly moving water. This makes these streams very dangerous to be in at such times. A friend of mine's local nephew died being caught in a rush of water like that and was swept almost to the ocean, while his companions were able to save themselves by catching onto tree roots or branches.

Because of the tangle of roots and branches, there's no guarantee any one thing will wash through rather than getting snagged.

If you read on what happened in I'ao Valley just this week, the volume of water that came out of nowhere was a staggering number that destroyed the terrain. But there hasn't been any talk and wasn't of phenomenal rains affecting the Nua'ailua Stream in Feb. 2014. Nothing that prevented searches, for example. Still, it was winter and therefore the rainy season.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Dr. Taylor also called the long bone fragment fractures "perimortem," so it seems that ALL of the fractures of the bones and teeth occurred at the time of death.
I guess there was no dismembering days later. He would have done it all on Sunday night.
Dr. Taylor's analysis is so much more in depth than Dr. Harle a few days ago.

 

[puakenikeni]

Dr. Taylor also called the long bone fragment fractures "perimortem," so it seems that ALL of the fractures of the bones and teeth occurred at the time of death.
I guess there was no dismembering days later. He would have done it all on Sunday night...(?)

thanks, I wasn't sure about the long bone being included there.

She made one early comment about how a blow from the right side could have produced both the side fracture and the center fracture of the jaw, agreeing with Rivera that someone In a driver position in a vehicle could be struck from the side and that could incur such an injury. (It would not be too rational to do that while the vehicle is moving, but maybe when parked. Or maybe a passenger blitzed from the side when door was opened?)

Dr. Harle said the fractures were blunt force trauma and separate from the injuries to the bone by a serrated blade.
I'm not sure at all this would be likely, because it takes some room to swing one, but the mention of a powerful blunt trauma reminds me that a very common assault weapon found in many a vehicle in Hawaii is a baseball bat. Kept at hand for offensive moves by some and for protection by others.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Dr. Taylor says that the nicks and incision marks on the jawbone would indicate to her an attempt to deflesh or remove soft tissue.
I really hope Charli was not conscious when this stuff occurred. :-((

How could a vegetarian who did not hunt do this crap?!
Charli must've really pissed him off horribly when she didn't go through with the abortion as he thought she had. Fiona testified that he was "short of breath" on the phone when she told him. Ugh.

 

[puakenikeni]

Dr. Taylor also called the long bone fragment fractures "perimortem," so it seems that ALL of the fractures of the bones and teeth occurred at the time of death.
I guess there was no dismembering days later. He would have done it all on Sunday night.
Dr. Taylor's analysis is so much more in depth than Dr. Harle a few days ago.

Maybe because Harle was the coroner and Taylor is the forensic anthropologist. Harle is a medical doctor and Taylor is a Ph.D., Which means she is an academic whose profession demands publishing articles and giving talks, also teaching and leading research teams.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Dr. Taylor mentioned the incision marks being indicitive of a smallish serated knife, and the prosecution mentioned cutting the head off. Perhaps that's why he cut away all of that soft tissue, because he was trying to take her head off with a fairly small knife?

This new info makes the timeline even more difficult to account for. He fractured her jaw & long bone that was found AND cut her up (the jawbone marks) on Sunday night "at the time of death" This stuff would've taken a bit of time.

I just finished video 1 from yesterday. Going to video 2 pretty soon. :-(

 

[Kapua]

Forensic witness: Jawbone broken by ‘significant’ force
http://www.mauinews.com/page/conten...one-broken-by--significant--force.html?nav=10

 

[puakenikeni]

Moxie, have you found a way to easily see the order of the videos? I'm having a hard time. I know I read the end because of Cardoza calling it quits, but I may have missed one.

For anyone wondering, he announced no more trial until Friday. Don't know why Wed. Session is not going.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Moxie, have you found a way to easily see the order of the videos? I'm having a hard time. I know I read the end because of Cardoza calling it quits, but I may have missed one.

Go to this page. There are 4 videos from yesterday, September 20. The videos are arranged chronologically from right to left: on the left is the latest, the one on the right is the earliest.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChS-fBWfqNKoOMpJAIasvOg

 

[puakenikeni]

Go to this page. There are 4 videos from yesterday, September 20. The videos are arranged chronologically from right to left: on the left is the latest, the one on the right is the earliest.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChS-fBWfqNKoOMpJAIasvOg

Thank you Moxie! Watching on iPad, sometimes I can get that list page and other times the video list is all jumbled and out of order, not sure why. I'll keep this link.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

I really like Dr. Taylor, she's so precise and articulate.

Dear lord, those edges of the long bone cuts are straight. Described by Dr. as "clean & sharp." Kind of looks like an electric saw cut it or something...

 

[puakenikeni]

The part about cutting her jaw flesh to remove it is sickening even more than some of the rest. They (she and Rivera) seem to be saying this was not something done to a bone that had separated from the body as some of our earlier theories. Rather the jaw was broken but attached to the head and he was defleshing as if turning into a skeleton. And maybe removing in process of working towards cervical spine which must be cut through to remove a head.

Maui News reports part I did not hear saying SC did not want to come to court today and was ordered to come. Yes, I'm glad he does not get to avoid it. SHE did not get to avoid any horror, as Kim often points out.

 

[puakenikeni]

I really like Dr. Taylor, she's so precise and articulate.

Dear lord, those edges of the long bone cuts are straight. Described by Dr. as "clean & sharp." Kind of looks like an electric saw cut it or something...

I wasn't able to bear to look at all of it, some I listened. There are all sorts of tools here for yard work alone, a variety of attachments too. I own an assortment of them myself because of a family member who always needs to buy the right tool or attachment for each job. I don't know if Steven was the yard maintenance type though.

All the gas powered tools make a heck of a lot of noise, and sound carries far here. So maybe he was going low tech manual sawing with knife to keep quiet.

I do not think she was alive when he began the sawing, god no. But I am having trouble reconciling how he stabbed her all those times and killed her with blunt force trauma. It seems like both would kill her. It's hard to imagine him stabbing her when she was already dead. It would be a relief to believe that, but ... Well maybe the blow was to disable her and then stabbing. I hope it was quick and maybe it was ...

I still think he wrapped her in the blanket when he left her there until he came back to finish. They don't know that ALL dismembering was peri-mortem, because they only found a small but key amount of her body.

 

[puakenikeni]

Just want to say before signing off for a while that I am not talking a lot about how I feel hearing this or making comments about him, but processing it emotionally by myself. I sound cold and clinical but I'm not at all, just the opposite, feeling it too much. I just don't have much emotional energy left to comment on how monstrous he is and what I hope becomes of him.

Most of what emotion I have right now is thinking about how she felt and not bothering to say how evil he is. I guess I already went through the phase of thinking about him, and right now I am focused on how her life ended and screw him (other than figuring out what he did). I feel that he will be convicted, which will not be enough punishment by any means.

We all have our own processes with something horrific like this. It helps to read all your comments.