GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

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Jones: What did the defendant tell Detective Loo about the injuries on his hands?

Suki: He mentioned to the detective that he got the injuries at work.

Jones: All of them?

Apo: [Objections]

Jones: When you heard Detective Loo questioning the defendant about the injuries on his hands and he said he injured them at work, did he provide any further explanation as to how he got those injuries?

Suki: He just said he was a baker and he burned himself.
 
  • #702
Evidence Specialist Suki also testified about collecting hair samples from SC.

And processing SC's vehicle for presence of blood.

The container of Mace in his vehicle was swabbed for DNA.
 
  • #703
Evidence Specialist Vincent Suki is testifying about the photographs he took of SC on Wed. Feb. 12. There are pictures of the back of his hands. About 5 min in you see the picture of the back of his right hand..

It's strange because yesterday when I looked at the pics of Steven's Instagram, I was surprised by how hairy his arms and hands were, and they looked so much hairier than the close-up images I've seen of him sitting there in court. I couldn't believe when the prosecution had Mr. Suki go over and look at Steven's arms to compare the present situation with the pics he took in 2014, and he noted they were less hairy now.

I wonder why Steven's been removing hair from his arms? Did the defense encourage him to do that because it would make him seem more innocent/less threatening to the jury if he wasn't so visibly hairy?
 
  • #704
We haven't heard about phone records past Tuesday correct?
What was he doing and where was he Wednesday night and how about Thursday when he did not go to work, and Friday when he went to work and left right away?
Were the phone records past Tuesday testified about or did they not show anything of relevance?
 
  • #705
I captured all of the jurors' questions.

What was the width of the two lines or cuts on his pinky finger?
Did the two lines look like cuts or scratches?
Did the injuries across sharp objects something wrapped around his hands or oven burns?
Do burn marks bleed like cut marks?
What is luminol used vs, blue star?
What determines using one formula over the other? Why?
Would a female suspect be asked to remove her shirt for photography?
You stated that the officers handled the mace can and you photographed and swabbed it. Due to its handling, did you have to swab the officers, too?
Was blood found in Steven’s 4Runner when you sprayed the luminol?
What is the color of Steven’s 4Runner in your memory from the photos you took?
Was Steven always compliant with all the evidence you needed to collect from him and his vehicle?
What is the reason that you were asked to compare the defendant’s forearms?
Would you agree that the only difference between the photos of SC then and now is that he is not as tan now?
Do you and Tony Earles do cross- work projects at the same time collecting evidence?
If defendant hurt his hands during work, did he file an injury report with his job?
Could you ascertain whether the Mace canister was full or empty?
Was there any mention if defendant reported and filed an injury report for possible worker’s comp claim?
Do you know if defendant continued reporting to work following his baker injuries?
Do you have any training in observing, investigating, and/or documenting evidentiary items such as injuries?
Follow-up question: If yes, what is your professional opinion of what the defendant’s abrasions or linear injuries of defendant’s both palms were caused by?
Did the defendant mention reporting his injuries or accident to his employer or any co-workers?
In your professional opinion, did the defendant’s injuries resemble injuries consistent with injuries from baking?
Do you know if the defendant is left or right handed?
Do you have a professional observation and/or explanation of what may have caused redness or swelling of the defendant’s knuckles on his right hand?
Did the defendant mention seeking or obtaining medical attention for the injuries he claimed he received as a baker at work? If yes, who was the doctor he saw? If not, why didn’t he go to obtain medical attention if it happened at work?
Is it normal procedure that hair samples are taken from persons of interest vs. suspects?
In your professional opinion and observation approximately how old are the injuries on the defendant’s hands which were photographed on Feb. 12, 2014?
Did injuries appear to be fresh injuries which were a few days old?
RE: Exhibit 351 Do you know what is the brownish mark or object below the drivers seat belt buckle (appears to be on right side edge of driver’s seat)?

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Many of them were not asked.
 
  • #706
Maisiebelle, you had asked what we thought of the jurors' questions, so I specifically paid attention this time.

I think the prosecution needs to drive home the point that he told 3 different stories about the injuries to his hands. He told Cassie that he got the injuries working on his truck.

http://mauinow.com/2016/08/07/capobiancos-ex-girlfriend-asked-did-you-do-this/


Kupstas testified that she was awoken in the early morning hours on Monday, Feb. 10, 2014, at 2:30 a.m. Hawaii time (7:30 a.m. in Pennsylvania) by a Skype call from Capobianco on her iPad. She described him as being “all wound up,” “out of sorts,” and “tired.”

During the conversation, Capobianco was shirtless and showed Kupstas his hands. “Steven said he squished one hand in the hood and the other was injured in a battery terminal,” Kupstas recalled.


Ref trial day 1 part 3 on YouTube and the Maui Now article.

Other than that, I will say that we all want to know how he got those injuries.
 
  • #707
And speaking of Maui Now articles, here's a recap of Friday's events:

Capobianco Trial: Forensic Entomologist Estimates Time of Death
http://mauinow.com/2016/09/26/capobianco-trial-forensic-entomologist-estimates-time-of-death/

Goff testified that there were two separate egg-laying events: One that occurred between 1 p.m. and 7 p.m. on Feb. 10, 2014; and a second event starting by around 6 a.m. on Feb. 12, 2014.

When asked if those times would have been consistent with a person being killed between 9 to 11 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2014, Dr. Goff agreed it would be consistent saying blow flies are generally considered inactive at night.

In approximately the 35 hours between those two egg-laying events, Dr. Goff testified that there would have been a period of inactivity between 7 p.m. on Feb. 10, 2014, and 6 a.m. on Feb. 12, 2014.

Prosecuting attorney Robert Rivera asked if the inactivity would be consistent with “wrapping a dead body in a blanket and taping the ends of the blanket with masking tape or other material.” Dr. Goff responded saying, “That would be a possibility.”
 
  • #708
My viewpoint and disagreement is more that he transported them to some Pig Farmer (To whom I will just refer to as "Pua'a) from now on as a nickname, Driven down steeply into the Hawaiian Homelands where supposedly some conspiring evil doer of race and color was collaborating because of some debt owed by him or kin. Can you imagine?

Im of the opinion and camp if you will that the Sharks were well fed that week.
I am not aware of this piggery operation's owner or location, and have not made any comments on it (other than agreeing that Kula is within the feasible location parameters of the crime). I was super distracted yesterday catching up on posts, so I missed any part of Moxie's theory that included collaboration with the farmer, it such was there. Where I live, it is not considered pono or cool to enter Hawaiian Homelands land unless one is invited; it is not land that one cruises around or anything. Not sure of the etiquette on Maui, but would expect similar.

As far as the "where" goes on where he put Charli's remains, I see some possibilities of how he operated that could overlap each other.
Trying to break it down into basic categories: (not statements of fact, possible scenarios)

1) He chose a spot that was conveniently near at hand, particularly if this happened without a lot of careful thinking things through; (disorganized improvising killer)

2) His main motivation was find a place most difficult for anyone to ever find; (organized killer)

3) the place may have not been hard to find, but some element in it (sharks, lye, pigs, dump, burials, insects, etc..) would annihilate the remains relatively quickly. (organized killer)

4) He had some sort of symbolic resonance with a site and method that would speak to his inner needs that were driving him to murder. Nikki spoke to this when she looked at the evil clown posse lyrics about bodies of water. (Compulsive killer, emotionally driven, replaying some tableau, etc..)

These aspects can overlap. The choice that fulfills the most "needs" that are present would be optimal, if it can be done. For a killer trying not to get caught, opportunities/risks for being discovered and caught should be weighed against the urge to travel with the remains for whatever purpose. Unless the killer has delusions of omnipotence and has no fear of being caught. SC doesn't seem to fit this, but yet he does take a variety of risks and seems to overly value his ability get away with things.
* spec. I am just proposing a way to look at his possible choices from POV of what he hoped to accomplish. I also do not know the extent to which he wanted to "punish" Charli for keeping his child and intending to raise it among her hanai family -- how if at all his emotions impacted his choices.
 
  • #709
And speaking of Maui Now articles, here's a recap of Friday's events:

Capobianco Trial: Forensic Entomologist Estimates Time of Death
http://mauinow.com/2016/09/26/capobianco-trial-forensic-entomologist-estimates-time-of-death/

Goff testified that there were two separate egg-laying events: One that occurred between 1 p.m. and 7 p.m. on Feb. 10, 2014; and a second event starting by around 6 a.m. on Feb. 12, 2014.

When asked if those times would have been consistent with a person being killed between 9 to 11 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2014, Dr. Goff agreed it would be consistent saying blow flies are generally considered inactive at night.

In approximately the 35 hours between those two egg-laying events, Dr. Goff testified that there would have been a period of inactivity between 7 p.m. on Feb. 10, 2014, and 6 a.m. on Feb. 12, 2014.

Prosecuting attorney Robert Rivera asked if the inactivity would be consistent with “wrapping a dead body in a blanket and taping the ends of the blanket with masking tape or other material.” Dr. Goff responded saying, “That would be a possibility.”

Do you believe Dr. Goff meant the period of inactivity was that 35 hour period, or that sometime within that 35 hours there was some time of inactivity? I haven't been following the live stream or MSM articles due to work, but am closely following what you post about it. Thanks, K.
 
  • #710
Do you believe Dr. Goff meant the period of inactivity was that 35 hour period, or that sometime within that 35 hours there was some time of inactivity? I haven't been following the live stream or MSM articles due to work, but am closely following what you post about it. Thanks, K.

I believe that he meant that there was no activity for the entire 35 hours.

I also cannot watch all of the live streams. I wait for the YouTube recording and usually fast forward through the boring parts and the cross examination.
 
  • #711
Watching a bit of video 3 from today. Evidence Specialist Anthony Earles is back on the stand testifying about the black bra. And now about swabbing SC's cheek to get DNA.
 
  • #712
Maisiebelle, you had asked what we thought of the jurors' questions, so I specifically paid attention this time.

I think the prosecution needs to drive home the point that he told 3 different stories about the injuries to his hands. He told Cassie that he got the injuries working on his truck.

http://mauinow.com/2016/08/07/capobiancos-ex-girlfriend-asked-did-you-do-this/


Kupstas testified that she was awoken in the early morning hours on Monday, Feb. 10, 2014, at 2:30 a.m. Hawaii time (7:30 a.m. in Pennsylvania) by a Skype call from Capobianco on her iPad. She described him as being “all wound up,” “out of sorts,” and “tired.”

During the conversation, Capobianco was shirtless and showed Kupstas his hands. “Steven said he squished one hand in the hood and the other was injured in a battery terminal,” Kupstas recalled.


Ref trial day 1 part 3 on YouTube and the Maui Now article.

Other than that, I will say that we all want to know how he got those injuries.

I also meant to say that he told Ginseng Mileur that he got the injuries working on a friend's Honda. The cable that raises the window snapped and wrapped around his hands. And then he told Det. Loo that he burned himself @ work.
 
  • #713
When I listen to the jury questions I feel like they are asking for a lot more proof than they are getting. It like they don't think the prosecution are asking the right questions.

I might have missed this but is there any DNA evidence connecting SC to the blue jeans?

Is it possible that SC has killed before? He does seem to have managed to hide a lot of what he did to Charli (if he indeed killed her). He comes across to me as rather narcissistic. He might believe that he is invincible, that he is much smarter than everyone else, including the police. He appears to be very comfortable sitting there. He believes he won't be convicted. Thats my opinion anyway....
 
  • #714
Did the sound keep cutting out for anyone else on the Akaku videos? I'm hoping its not my Macbook. Its not very old :thinking:
 
  • #715
When I listen to the jury questions I feel like they are asking for a lot more proof than they are getting. It like they don't think the prosecution are asking the right questions.

I might have missed this but is there any DNA evidence connecting SC to the blue jeans?

Is it possible that SC has killed before? He does seem to have managed to hide a lot of what he did to Charli (if he indeed killed her). He comes across to me as rather narcissistic. He might believe that he is invincible, that he is much smarter than everyone else, including the police. He appears to be very comfortable sitting there. He believes he won't be convicted. Thats my opinion anyway....

Today's testimony was all about the items of evidence.

They swapped the back of the blue jeans for DNA and then they swabbed both of SC's cheeks. We don't yet know if the DNA matches because they have to go down the chain of custody. 1. Who found the item and where was it found, 2. How did that person recover the evidence, 3. Where did they take the evidence, 4. How did they prepare the evidence, 5. Where did they put the evidence, 6. Who tested it. etc.....

And each person in the chain has to personally testify, because otherwise it's hearsay.

We haven't yet heard testimony from the person responsible for the DNA testing, so we don't yet know if there was viable DNA on the jeans and if it matches SC. So, no, you didn't miss anything. I'm betting that there is DNA on that gray hoodie because they pulled a lot of hairs off of it... and a lot of hairs off of SC, too. (I'm still wondering if they can test SC's dog's hairs.)

I agree w/you about SC's narcissistic personality, but I don't think he's killed before. I absolutely think that he thinks he'll be acquitted.
 
  • #716
Did the sound keep cutting out for anyone else on the Akaku videos? I'm hoping its not my Macbook. Its not very old :thinking:

It kept cutting out for me, too.
 
  • #717
Today's testimony was all about the items of evidence.

They swapped the back of the blue jeans for DNA and then they swabbed both of SC's cheeks. We don't yet know if the DNA matches because they have to go down the chain of custody. 1. Who found the item and where was it found, 2. How did that person recover the evidence, 3. Where did they take the evidence, 4. How did they prepare the evidence, 5. Where did they put the evidence, 6. Who tested it. etc.....

And each person in the chain has to personally testify, because otherwise it's hearsay.

We haven't yet heard testimony from the person responsible for the DNA testing, so we don't yet know if there was viable DNA on the jeans and if it matches SC. So, no, you didn't miss anything. I'm betting that there is DNA on that gray hoodie because they pulled a lot of hairs off of it... and a lot of hairs off of SC, too. (I'm still wondering if they can test SC's dog's hairs.)

I agree w/you about SC's narcissistic personality, but I don't think he's killed before. I absolutely think that he thinks he'll be acquitted.

Thank you. I am still learning how trials work.
 
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And speaking of Maui Now articles, here's a recap of Friday's events:

Capobianco Trial: Forensic Entomologist Estimates Time of Death
http://mauinow.com/2016/09/26/capobianco-trial-forensic-entomologist-estimates-time-of-death/

Goff testified that there were two separate egg-laying events: One that occurred between 1 p.m. and 7 p.m. on Feb. 10, 2014; and a second event starting by around 6 a.m. on Feb. 12, 2014.

When asked if those times would have been consistent with a person being killed between 9 to 11 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2014, Dr. Goff agreed it would be consistent saying blow flies are generally considered inactive at night.

In approximately the 35 hours between those two egg-laying events, Dr. Goff testified that there would have been a period of inactivity between 7 p.m. on Feb. 10, 2014, and 6 a.m. on Feb. 12, 2014.

Prosecuting attorney Robert Rivera asked if the inactivity would be consistent with “wrapping a dead body in a blanket and taping the ends of the blanket with masking tape or other material.” Dr. Goff responded saying, “That would be a possibility.”
Thanks so much Kapua, for compiling all the juror questions and posting these snippet quotes.

I had gotten something different from Goff's testimony on the inactivity, with the by second event BY 6 AM (I thought he meant this was the end of the second event), but this does make sense. However, I listened to him twice on that part, and I didn't ever hear him nail down the interval to 35 hours. I'm wondering if he did the math, which would make it definitive what interval he is calling inactive. Or did the reporter interpret and then did the math herself? Anyone hear the 35 hours of inactivity quote?

The morning of Wed. Feb. 12th after 6 AM is a little problematic for Steven being out there to unwrap her. He went to the Wailuku station Wednesday morning. You'd think he at least needed a shower between the one malodorous act and going into the haunts of law enforcement.

Here is what HGO's detailed timeline (more thanks!) tells us of SC's movements on Wednesday, 2/12.
8:24 am Steven interview 1 with Det. Loo drove in his 4runner
11:22 am Steven interview 2 with Det Loo
Steven's 4runner is searched. A muddy, green cell phone is found on the rear passenger floorboard. The inside of the vehicle is described as dirty and muddy with mud on the doors.
Afternoon, Kyle Knight smells strong odor near Nuaailua Bay but not near "the path" while driving to search at Nahiku.
Steven shows up at Nahiku around 4 or 5pm in his 4runner where searchers are. A group decides to go to Jaws to search. SC tells Kyle Knight he needs gas before he heads to Jaws for search.
(Steven never shows up at Jaws, but does answer his phone when Kyle calls him to ask where he is.)
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We see there is less than 90 minutes between 6 AM (2nd egg laying event begins) and Steven's arrival at the police station, and the rest of his morning he stays Wailuku. Maybe a couple of hours free between leaving and showing up in Nahiku. Also Wed. night free (I think he did something then.)

I wish that the grandfather's testimony had covered whether Steven was home for each day and night of that week.
Anyhow, given that SC had almost no time to be out near Paraquat's from 6AM on, I think it still makes sense that he unwrapped her sometime Tue. night, possibly being out there all night, and then the fly activity commences when the sun rises at not quite 7 AM. Not because he started working around 6 AM, but because the flies were inactive simply because it was night. TUESDAY is the day they were inactive during the daytime. IMO because he wrapped her up Monday night and left her like that.

The unwrapping event and subsequent advance of decomp during Wednesday day would really explain why there was an odor of death that stopped traffic on early Wed. afternoon, and persisted, because remember Kyle returned and rappelled on his way back from Nahiku to Jaws. But for this odor to be so strong way up at the highway, I just wonder if he had transported dismembered (easier to transport) remains up the river towards the highway. This is also the way Max went looking for the bad odor on Thursday, the next afternoon. That baby pig threw him off the scent, literally. Remember the police woman said she would always know human from any other odor, but Max was a civilian.

I have to think that this odor of decomp actually did come "that close" to drawing them to find her remains. My spec is that they did not know they were looking for small pieces, in a jungle. They were looking for her, for Charli. What you expect and wish to see changes the way your brain interprets the data from your eyes.
It could be that he scattered pieces for feral pigs to find, but not in the spot where the maggots pooled (the dismembering area), rather way up the stream. It's possible that he did and they did.

I get PT's leanings towards the sharks, but the intense odor does not align with the ocean theory. First there would be no smell for submerged parts or inside sharks. Second the smell would have been much too far from the bridge to stop traffic, even if something had washed up on the beach. Third, the beach was covered by the searchers; the whole jungle area was not. Even the police spoke of a close search of a fairly localized area.
 
  • #720
When I listen to the jury questions I feel like they are asking for a lot more proof than they are getting. It like they don't think the prosecution are asking the right questions.

I might have missed this but is there any DNA evidence connecting SC to the blue jeans?

Is it possible that SC has killed before? He does seem to have managed to hide a lot of what he did to Charli (if he indeed killed her). He comes across to me as rather narcissistic. He might believe that he is invincible, that he is much smarter than everyone else, including the police. He appears to be very comfortable sitting there. He believes he won't be convicted. Thats my opinion anyway....
Agree, very insightful. Who knows what he might have become if he had gotten away with this?
He even made that "joke" about how he might have to kill again. A poor choice of joke for an innocent man, but what level of arrogance does it take for a killer under suspicion to make that type of remark in front of coworkers or anyone but the closest buddies?
 
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