GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[Napili]

Not me. I don't think there is the slightest sliver of a chance that anyone else did this. I will only list my top 3 reasons for brevity.

1. Motive. Nobody else had a reason to kill Charli.

2. Nala. A random rapist/robber/psycho killer would not be likely to approach a woman accompanied by a large dog. He would find a more vulnerable victim.

3. Mace. Charli carried Mace in her car. She would have sprayed a threatening stranger.

What keeps me coming back to his undisputable guilt is his patentedly false story (ies).

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Umm ladies, hold on a second. We found a pair of board shirts size 30, a ripped and torn sleeping bag and other random items clearly washed down by the rains. MPD is not the garbage man. They picked up items that were probably not buried in the mud or aged indicating that they'd been there for months.

All Earls needs to say from the stand is "The object was deemed too old & weathered to be connected to the crime."
Instead, he allows Apo to make him look lazy.

"ripped and torn sleeping bag?"
That sounds scary. I hope they weren't puncture/stabbing tears...

 

[Kapua]

According to the live stream, both pairs of pants were the same size - 32 x 30.

Apo is obnoxious.

Next week, they will have a special schedule, because two of the jurors will be unavailable at times. The court has known about this for some time.

 

[MakaniKitty]

According to the live stream, both pairs of pants were the same size - 32 x 30.

Apo is obnoxious.

Next week, they will have a special schedule, because two of the jurors will be unavailable at times. The court has known about this for some time.

Those jurors should be exempt from paying taxes this year. They are serving above and beyond what most jurors ever do.

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[Moxie_McTavish]

For the last week or so, Ive been trying to get more of a sense of the actual crime scene area and its relation to the stream, road, and bridge, and I've been reviewing testimony about the area.

Everyone agrees that the area the evidence was found between the dirt road and the stream is extremely thick with vegetation: trees, grass, brush, and vines. Phaedra & Molly testified that they could not even see each other when they were about 9 feet apart due to the thickness of the jungle . People had to actively "push" through the vegetation with their hands when traversing this area, and this section was very uneven and on a slope downward toward the river.

Because of this difficulty, I think it's probable Charli was alive and conscious when taken to Paraquats: she was walked down to the crime scene area. She may have been gagged & restrained with large zip-ties in a way that still facilitated short steps. I think it would be extremely difficult and unlikely for Steven to carry or drag this tall, pregnant, 180 lb woman through the thick vegetation 120 feet to the crime scene. I agree with what Loio said, that he dismembered her to facilitate carrying her out.
She walked in herself, he killed her, but to get her out he could only bring smaller loads at one time due to the extreme difficulty of the terrain.

Very sad to come to this conclusion, but...I think she was conscious at that time and only when they'd arrived at the crime scene near the stream did he kill her. :-(

-Mox'

 

[MakaniKitty]

For the last week or so, Ive been trying to get more of a sense of the actual crime scene area and its relation to the stream, road, and bridge, and I've been reviewing testimony about the area.

Everyone agrees that the area the evidence was found between the dirt road and the stream is extremely thick with vegetation: trees, grass, brush, and vines. Phaedra & Molly testified that they could not even see each other when they were about 9 feet apart due to the thickness of the jungle . People had to actively "push" through the vegetation with their hands when traversing this area, and this section was very uneven and on a slope downward toward the river.

Because of this difficulty, I think it's probable Charli was alive and conscious when taken to Paraquats: she was walked down to the crime scene area. She may have been gagged & restrained with large zip-ties in a way that still facilitated short steps. I think it would be extremely difficult and unlikely for Steven to carry or drag this tall, pregnant, 180 lb woman through the thick vegetation 120 feet to the crime scene. I agree with what Loio said, that he dismembered her to facilitate carrying her out.
She walked in herself, he killed her, but to get her out he could only bring smaller loads at one time due to the extreme difficulty of the terrain.

Very sad to come to this conclusion, but...I think she was conscious at that time and only when they'd arrived at the crime scene near the stream did he kill her. :-(

-Mox'

That's exactly what I've been thinking for a while now. There's no way he dragged her in there; there would've been drag marks or clearing of vegetation, and she'd be too heavy for him anyway. I believe she walked in there, probably at knife point and restrained/gagged somehow. That's where the murder occurred. I used to think he killed her in the car, but not after I learned how thick the vegetation is. Nala was probably in the car the whole time.

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[Napili]

Yep. What I've been thinking too. No getting around it.

Weren't the zip ties found upon the road?

 

[MakaniKitty]

Yep. What I've been thinking too. No getting around it.

Weren't the zip ties found upon the road?

From what I recall, the zip ties were found a few miles away on the roadside, next to the pair of SC's jeans that had a bloody hair on them which DNA testing confirmed was Charli's hair. Unfortunately, the prosecution didn't submit this evidence to the defense on time, so the DNA evidence is inadmissible in this trial. Shame.

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[Bethan]

From what I recall, the zip ties were found a few miles away on the roadside, next to the pair of SC's jeans that had a bloody hair on them which DNA testing confirmed was Charli's hair. Unfortunately, the prosecution didn't submit this evidence to the defense on time, so the DNA evidence is inadmissible in this trial. Shame.

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Re- DNA evidence not submitted in time.

How can this happen for goodness sake??
So frustrating!


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[MakaniKitty]

Re- DNA evidence not submitted in time.

How can this happen for goodness sake??
So frustrating!


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Here's an article about it. I erred when I said it was Charli's hair they found; it was actually SC's hair, but it had Charli's blood on it.
http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:TCfYJxny

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[Moxie_McTavish]

Here's an article about it. I erred when I said it was Charli's hair they found; it was actually SC's hair, but it had Charli's blood on it.
http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:TCfYJxny

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MakaniKitty, I believe it was the jeans that had blood on it, and a hair was found on the jeans. But there was no blood on the hair. I can see how you'd think there was blood on the hair itself by how they phrase it, but I believe they're just referring to blood being on the jeans.

"Lawyers claimed they found a hair from Capobianco on his jeans with his ex-girlfriend, Charli Scott's blood on it."

From what I recall, the zip ties were found a few miles away on the roadside, next to the pair of SC's jeans....

I was reviewing testimony about the zip-ties and I found out that the zip ties were actually found 100 feet away. I'm not certain the zip ties are connected to the crime, they could just be a random tossing out along Hana Hwy.

"Police photographed the jeans at the scene where they noted an area that resembled blood on the middle of the right pant leg near the knee, and another stain on the back of the left pant leg. Detective Adachi also noted the size of the jeans on the label which indicated it had a 32″ waist and 30″ inseam.

While searching the area, police also found large plastic zip ties approximately 100 feet away from the jeans. “The zip ties were clean, not damaged,” said Detective Adachi, who described them as, being black and, “a quarter inch wide–the big heavy duty ones.” According to Detective Adachi, they were attached end-to-end to make “one long zip tie.” Beyond both items was a cliff."

http://mauinow.com/2016/09/05/capob...-of-4runner-zip-ties-stained-jeans-recovered/

 

[MakaniKitty]

MakaniKitty, I believe it was the jeans that had blood on it, and a hair was found on the jeans. But there was no blood on the hair. I can see how you'd think there was blood on the hair itself by how they phrase it, but I believe they're just referring to blood being on the jeans.

"Lawyers claimed they found a hair from Capobianco on his jeans with his ex-girlfriend, Charli Scott's blood on it."



I was reviewing testimony about the zip-ties and I found out that the zip ties were actually found 100 feet away. I'm not certain the zip ties are connected to the crime, they could just be a random tossing out along Hana Hwy.

"Police photographed the jeans at the scene where they noted an area that resembled blood on the middle of the right pant leg near the knee, and another stain on the back of the left pant leg. Detective Adachi also noted the size of the jeans on the label which indicated it had a 32″ waist and 30″ inseam.

While searching the area, police also found large plastic zip ties approximately 100 feet away from the jeans. “The zip ties were clean, not damaged,” said Detective Adachi, who described them as, being black and, “a quarter inch wide–the big heavy duty ones.” According to Detective Adachi, they were attached end-to-end to make “one long zip tie.” Beyond both items was a cliff."

http://mauinow.com/2016/09/05/capob...-of-4runner-zip-ties-stained-jeans-recovered/

Thank you, Moxie! There are so many little details in this case, it boggles my mind to keep the facts straight. I can't even begin to imagine what the poor jurors are having to sift through!! Volumes and volumes of testimony, trying to weed out the important things, getting past Apo's endless objections...I meant it when I said the jurors should be exempt from paying taxes this year.

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[Loio]

I erred when I said it was Charli's hair they found; it was actually SC's hair, but it had Charli's blood on it.

There's the proof he killed her. Explain to me again why it's inadmissible.

 

[heartgoesout]

Because the laws protect the defendant more than the victim.

 

[puakenikeni]

There's the proof he killed her. Explain to me again why it's inadmissible.

the technical legal reason is it would have opened the door to a successful appeal of his conviction that we all wish for. Defense has a right to conduct DNA testing of their own and have a rebutting expert opinion. The prosecution's DNA results have a presumed bias and cannot be the only testing. Defense was not given the lab results in time to do their testing. The trial would have needed a delay--again. This was the fault of MPD and the prosecutor's office.

Cardoza said aid the matter could be revisited during the progress of the trial with further hearings, IIRC.

I don't like or approve of what happened, but there were reasons.

 

[puakenikeni]

I just now read the latest Maui News article on Friday's court.
The attorneys and Cardoza go over the original DNA testing (not the hair that was found late), and say what it told them. I imagine we all want to know, so check it out.

What I said above was relating only to the hair they found that Loio asked about, not this stuff in the article, which seems to have other points of contention on the January report. Only hearing this for first time now.
NO DNA pointing to Steven, which we had pretty much gathered from earlier comments about the original testing being degraded.

No blood on the green blanket, how do we explain that? Maggots thick all over it, but no blood.

 

[Kapua]

I just now read the latest Maui News article on Friday's court.
The attorneys and Cardoza go over the original DNA testing (not the hair that was found late), and say what it told them. I imagine we all want to know, so check it out.

What I said above was relating only to the hair they found that Loio asked about, not this stuff in the article, which seems to have other points of contention on the January report. Only hearing this for first time now.
NO DNA pointing to Steven, which we had pretty much gathered from earlier comments about the original testing being degraded.

No blood on the green blanket, how do we explain that? Maggots thick all over it, but no blood.

Do we know for sure that there is NO DNA pointing to SC? What about those 50 hairs (some from dog) on the gray hoodie? What about all of the other items that were sent for testing? (Mace canister) The lab technician has not yet testified. And do we know for certain that the results for that one overlooked hair cannot be admitted?

A lot of murderers have been convicted without DNA, so I don't think it's 100% necessary, but it would definitely add weight to the case.

 

[Napili]

....No blood on the green blanket, how do we explain that? Maggots thick all over it, but no blood.

From the photo, I t looked like they were kind of evenly spread out on the surface of the blanket, too. Not massed. I imagine it might be possible that, if the body had been wrapped in plastic, inside the blanket, the blood could be contained, but, if it was not sealed completely, would still attract the egg-laying flies...That's all I can think of.

I also wonder, though, that they haven't mentioned other bodily fluids being found on the blanket (sorry)--anything besides rain/stream water.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

No blood on the green blanket, how do we explain that? Maggots thick all over it, but no blood.

I have often wondered how much of a role the creek water played in washing away blood evidence on textiles. I have not heard that the bra, skirt, tank top - all showing puncture wounds - were crusty or stiff with dried blood, as one would expect. I'm wondering if the body/clothing/blanket were submerged in the creek immediately after the murder, which would wash away a lot of blood.

I'm also questioning the reliability of testimony that the dismemberment of the available bones occurred "at the time of death."

Another possibility with the blanket was that she was only wrapped in it days after the murder, after she'd stopped oozing blood and the wounds were somewhat dry and saturated with maggots: if she was dragged upon and wrapped loosely in the blanket in this state, then I *guess* I can see how there was little to no blood(?) on the blanket.

 

[puakenikeni]

Do we know for sure that there is NO DNA pointing to SC? What about those 50 hairs (some from dog) on the gray hoodie? What about all of the other items that were sent for testing? (Mace canister) The lab technician has not yet testified. And do we know for certain that the results for that one overlooked hair cannot be admitted?

A lot of murderers have been convicted without DNA, so I don't think it's 100% necessary, but it would definitely add weight to the case.

Dont know anything for certain other than what's been said. As I said above, judge left the door open for more argumentation on the single hair back at the trial beginning. No idea what's gone down since about it.

Prosecution had said they got no DNA tying SC to crime scene back when they got a trial continuance for more testing. Then when the jeans' hair was announced, they said they got almost nothing useful from the last round of advanced testing and the one hair was the pay dirt. That's all I recall hearing.

Nothing was said about the hoodie, but it could well have been lumped together with clothing.