HLN Coverage On Baby Lisa This Hour 10/17/11

[MaryAnn]

this is completely off topic, but holy smoke. had to post it

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...ice-by-hit-and-run-drivers-dozens-ignore-her/

 

[Boodles]

JVM is drinking the koolaid, believing that Deborah was drunk and blacked out when the intruder broke in. IMO, this is the exact strategy that her attorney came up with. How convenient that yesterday she did a media blitz in which she says she was drunk and possibly blacked out and now, today the attorney steps in to protect her (ala "no more statements to media from now on").

I don't doubt she was drinking. But blacked out so she couldn't hear an intruder? Deborah herself slipped by saying "no, if the baby monitor had been turned off, I would have heard static." That contradicts her possibly being blacked-out-heard-nothing defense.

P.S. They sure use the phrase "that's not possible" a whole lot! Mostly Deborah, but now Jeremy, too. Why not answer definitively by saying the word "no"?

 

[curiositycat]

The term "liquid courage" does come to mind.

But, I don't believe a person who was not already thinking about killing their child, would kill them just because they were drunk

IMO

Well, I pretty much agree with that. The one thing that worries me is that she must have had some problems with anxiety, as she was is on medication as she admitted to MK. Was it an anti-depressant, or was it only an anti-anxiety medication. We don't know her medical diagnosis, because not everyone who takes anti-anxiety meds has the same one. MOO

The thought enters my mind that she was drinking, wanted her "adult time" (as she calls it) and a crying baby that was sick might have caused her to snap. Maybe she has poor impulse control. MOO

 

[Hopeful One]

First time dad worked an overnight shift
Mom was home with the kids and she admits she was drinking and drank enough to get drunk

She knew her husband was working overnight and she would be the sole caregiver....so why get drunk? who would care for the kids, especially having a baby around??? I don't get it, why drink to the point of getting drunk???.
I understand having a drink or 2...but she did not stop..she kept drinking until she got drunk...

She thinks alcohol does not change a person enough to do harm....well I disagree.IMO.

BBM
Maybe it's not a wise decision and something she shouldn't have done, but it doesn't mean she harmed her child. It doesn't make her a villain.

 

[Hopeful One]

Well, I pretty much agree with that. The one thing that worries me is that she must have had some problems with anxiety, as she was is on medication as she admitted to MK. Was it an anti-depressant, or was it only an anti-anxiety medication. We don't know her medical diagnosis, because not everyone who takes anti-anxiety meds has the same one. MOO

The thought enters my mind that she was drinking, wanted her "adult time" (as she calls it) and a crying baby that was sick might have caused her to snap. Maybe she has poor impulse control. MOO

I occassionally take lorazepam (Ativan) for anxiety and I know that it greatly increases the chances of blacking out while drinking. Lorazepam has been called an "amnesiac" or something along those lines. I forget things while on it (sometimes) even if I haven't had a drink. I don't take it very often at all - when I do, it's only 1 mg at the most.

 

[belimom]

I completely agree with her - nobody does anything drunk that they don't want to do sober. When you're drunk, you do what you really want to do but are inhibited. (except accidental stuff like dropping things or getting in car wrecks).

I respectfully disagree... I think that alcohol affects different people in different ways. With most people, it probably does just lower their inhibitions. But with some folks, I think it can change them. JMHO

 

[In da Middle]

JVM is covering it.

There's one thing that keeps bugging me about the reporting today.

The time DB put Lisa to bed. First we heard (or thought) it was the 10:30 time - that was cleared up and we had all been going on the 7:30 time.

Now its 6:40.

Yet, HLN especially just keeps saying at first it was 10:30 and now its 6:40.

Get it right guys.............................sheesh

This stuff has become my personal pet peeve! (could ya tell?)

 

[~n/t~]

Well, I pretty much agree with that. The one thing that worries me is that she must have had some problems with anxiety, as she was is on medication as she admitted to MK. Was it an anti-depressant, or was it only an anti-anxiety medication. We don't know her medical diagnosis, because not everyone who takes anti-anxiety meds has the same one. MOO

The thought enters my mind that she was drinking, wanted her "adult time" (as she calls it) and a crying baby that was sick might have caused her to snap. Maybe she has poor impulse control. MOO

I was just going to post something similar. We know nothing about this woman's mental state before this happened. Yes from the outside looking in, Baby Lisa seemed well loved, looked happy, well dressed, lots of toys but it only takes a split second to snap.

She may have been so hung over and a crying sick baby may have thrown her over the edge. Sick children are no fun. They cry, they're fussy, they don't sleep through the night, they want to be held, etc. Mom picked a wrong time to have her"adult time", imo.

 

[Missy70Texas]

I respectfully disagree... I think that alcohol affects different people in different ways. With most people, it probably does just lower their inhibitions. But with some folks, I think it can change them. JMHO

I agree!! I come from a long line of alcoholics, I had an uncle that could be the sweetest guy when sober and a total jerk (to the point of being abusive) when drunk, Dr. Jeckyl/Mr.Hyde.

 

[Hopeful One]

I completely agree with her - nobody does anything drunk that they don't want to do sober. When you're drunk, you do what you really want to do but are inhibited. (except accidental stuff like dropping things or getting in car wrecks).

I could not disagree with this more. I have done many things drunk (in my earlier years) that I would NEVER have done while sober. The next morning I was completely mortified. Someone can be in a blackout and do things they would never normally do. I don't think that happened in this case but I will certainly eat crow if it turns out I'm wrong.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

If anyone is interested, I have a bunch of posts about Xanax and alcohol, alone and mixed, on another thread, and I can bring them over if you like. Drugs of abuse are my field (getting my PhD in a lab that studies them).

Also I have a prescription for lorazepam, and everything that hopeful one said is true, no exaggeration.

I really, really hope that DB was not taking drinking while taking psychotropic meds. That goes beyond "not smart," IMO. I take anti-depressants and a beta-blocker, and I rarely drink, and when I do, I have to be very conservative about how much I consume, or things get really unpleasant for me. ETA, I have never hurt anyone or been in legal trouble as a result of it. I just wanted to specify that. Once the high from the alcohol wears off, I get very anxious and edgy...the softest sound will make me jump and gasp, eg., and my heart races off and on.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I respectfully disagree... I think that alcohol affects different people in different ways. With most people, it probably does just lower their inhibitions. But with some folks, I think it can change them. JMHO

Turned my mother from a tough, independent woman by day, into a woman who, by evening, sat at the kitchen table crying until she got up and busted her head open on the furniture. Almost daily, if you can believe it.

Turned my normally sweet and sensitive father into a raging tornado of punch your teeth right out of your mouth.

(And that's all I have to say about that.)

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

JVM filling in for Nancy Grace who is on DWTS tonight. HLN now.

 

[joyless]

Turned my mother from a tough, independent woman by day, into a woman who, by evening, sat at the kitchen table crying until she got up and busted her head open on the furniture. Almost daily, if you can believe it.

Turned my normally sweet and sensitive father into a raging tornado of punch your teeth right out of your mouth.

(And that's all I have to say about that.)

My gosh...I know that one...alcoholism or alcohol abuse all over my family and my husbands side too...LOTS OF PERSONALITY CHANGE DRUNKS. Anything is possible when some people drink and if u throw lorazpam or ANY of those meds in....yikes. MOO

 

[MyBelle]

JVM is covering it.

There's one thing that keeps bugging me about the reporting today.

The time DB put Lisa to bed. First we heard (or thought) it was the 10:30 time - that was cleared up and we had all been going on the 7:30 time.

Now its 6:40.

Yet, HLN especially just keeps saying at first it was 10:30 and now its 6:40.

Get it right guys.............................sheesh

They can't get it right because DB keeps changing it. And if she failed a poly, I think there's a good change the time will change again.

JMO

 

[Cortne]

I personally cannot believe this women is being railroaded the way she is. The media cannot even report it right. JMO

 

[mikeysmommom]

She had a responsibility to care for her children,as the only adult in the home she had no business drinking.Anything that happened to Lisa her mother is 100% responsible for IMO.If she lied about getting drunk who knows what else she has lied about.

 

[Peepers]

I just dont know what to think..If she put Lisa to bed at 640 pm, the other two boys had to be up and about for a while. Heck , if their Mom was passed out, they might have been ruling the house for hours. Obviously its important to hear what they have to say. this is nuts! There is no timeline anymore! We have no idea what time Deb went to bed, what time the other kids went to bed. Hours in a blackout!!!! WoW!!!!
Seems like they could arrest her for child endangerment, she has no idea what happened to her baby cause she was too drunk to know!!! Throw her arse in jail and let her think about what the truth is.

 

[gwenabob]

this is completely off topic, but holy smoke. had to post it

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...ice-by-hit-and-run-drivers-dozens-ignore-her/

I bet the reaction would have been different had it been a boy child.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

When did she take the poly?

Could the results have been affected by a hangover or by effects of rx drugs? They ask you what, if any, rxs you are taking before the exam, no?