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Just got a PM from Hawk. Seems he got "Lost" and cant find where they thread is located since the move. I cut and pasted him a tree directory to get here. Lets hope "Old Man Hawkshaw" can follow it.
 
Sorry if this has been posted before. If so, I didn't find it here. It is a fairly recent articlenon the sk Israel Keyes. And I think it contains some pretty interesting info about the dual personalities of this particular one. I know Peter can give a lot more examples than I can, but there a quite a few sk's that had claimed that they had this other personality that just takes over when triggered. It is amazing to me how they are able to hide this "other person/evil monster" from close family members and friends.



http://adirondackdailyenterprise.co...k-secrets-of-dead-serial-killer.html?nav=5248

To Monique Doll, Keyes was a Dr. Jekyll-Mr. Hyde personality, but she saw only the diabolical side."We knew him as a serial killer," she says. "That's how he spoke to us. We didn't know ... the father, the hard-working business owner."Keyes warned investigators that others might mischaracterize him."There is no one who knows me - or who has ever known me - who knows anything about me really. ... They're going to tell you something that does not line up with anything I tell you because I'm two different people basically," he says in one snippet released by the FBI."How long have you been two different people?" asks Russo, one of the prosecutors.Keyes laughs. "(A) long time. Fourteen years."Authorities suspect Keyes started killing more than 10 years ago after completing a three-year stint in the Army at what is now Joint Base Lewis-McChord near Tacoma, Wash.Sean McGuire, who shared a barracks with Keyes, says they developed a camaraderie while spending some time together during grueling training in Egypt. But he says he was disturbed by a dark side that sometimes surfaced. When Keyes was offended by his buddy's comments, he'd drop his head, McGuire recalls, knit his brow, lower his voice and say, "I want to kill you, McGuire."Keyes, the second eldest in a large family, was homeschooled in a cabin without electricity near Colville, Wash., in a mountainous, sparsely populated area. The family moved in the 1990s to Smyrna, Maine, where they were involved in the maple syrup business, according to a neighbor who remembered Keyes as a nice, courteous young man.After leaving the Army, Keyes worked for the Makah Indian tribe in Washington, then moved to Anchorage in 2007 after his girlfriend found work here. A self-employed carpenter and handyman, he was considered competent, honest and efficient."I never got any bad, weird, scary, odd vibe from him in any way, shape or form," says Paul Adelman, an Anchorage attorney who first hired Keyes as a handyman in 2008.Keyes' live-in girlfriend also was floored to learn of his double life, according to David Kanters, her friend."He had everyone fooled," Kanters told The Associated Press in an email. "THAT is the scary part. He came across as a nice, normal guy." (She did not respond to numerous requests for comment.)Keyes blended in easily."He was not only very intelligent," Doll says. "He was very adaptable, and he had a lot of self-control. Those three things combined made him extraordinarily difficult to catch."Keyes also was meticulous and methodical, flying to airports in the Lower 48, renting cars, driving hundreds of miles searching for victims, prowling remote spots such as parks, campgrounds and cemeteries. The Koenig case was an exception; it was in his community.In one recorded interview, Keyes discussed his methods:"Back when I was smart, I would let them come to me," he said, adding that he would go to isolated areas far from home. "There's not much to choose from ... but there's also no witnesses."Keyes was proud he'd gone undetected so long. When asked for a motive, Anchorage police officer Bell recalls, Keyes said, "A lot of people ask why, and I would be like: Why not?""He liked what he was doing," says FBI Special Agent Jolene Goeden. "He talked about getting a rush out of it, the adrenaline, the excitement."
 
Sorry if this has been posted before. If so, I didn't find it here. It is a fairly recent articlenon the sk Israel Keyes. And I think it contains some pretty interesting info about the dual personalities of this particular one. I know Peter can give a lot more examples than I can, but there a quite a few sk's that had claimed that they had this other personality that just takes over when triggered. It is amazing to me how they are able to hide this "other person/evil monster" from close family members and friends.



http://adirondackdailyenterprise.co...k-secrets-of-dead-serial-killer.html?nav=5248

To Monique Doll, Keyes was a Dr. Jekyll-Mr. Hyde personality, but she saw only the diabolical side."We knew him as a serial killer," she says. "That's how he spoke to us. We didn't know ... the father, the hard-working business owner."Keyes warned investigators that others might mischaracterize him."There is no one who knows me - or who has ever known me - who knows anything about me really. ... They're going to tell you something that does not line up with anything I tell you because I'm two different people basically," he says in one snippet released by the FBI."How long have you been two different people?" asks Russo, one of the prosecutors.Keyes laughs. "(A) long time. Fourteen years."Authorities suspect Keyes started killing more than 10 years ago after completing a three-year stint in the Army at what is now Joint Base Lewis-McChord near Tacoma, Wash.Sean McGuire, who shared a barracks with Keyes, says they developed a camaraderie while spending some time together during grueling training in Egypt. But he says he was disturbed by a dark side that sometimes surfaced. When Keyes was offended by his buddy's comments, he'd drop his head, McGuire recalls, knit his brow, lower his voice and say, "I want to kill you, McGuire."Keyes, the second eldest in a large family, was homeschooled in a cabin without electricity near Colville, Wash., in a mountainous, sparsely populated area. The family moved in the 1990s to Smyrna, Maine, where they were involved in the maple syrup business, according to a neighbor who remembered Keyes as a nice, courteous young man.After leaving the Army, Keyes worked for the Makah Indian tribe in Washington, then moved to Anchorage in 2007 after his girlfriend found work here. A self-employed carpenter and handyman, he was considered competent, honest and efficient."I never got any bad, weird, scary, odd vibe from him in any way, shape or form," says Paul Adelman, an Anchorage attorney who first hired Keyes as a handyman in 2008.Keyes' live-in girlfriend also was floored to learn of his double life, according to David Kanters, her friend."He had everyone fooled," Kanters told The Associated Press in an email. "THAT is the scary part. He came across as a nice, normal guy." (She did not respond to numerous requests for comment.)Keyes blended in easily."He was not only very intelligent," Doll says. "He was very adaptable, and he had a lot of self-control. Those three things combined made him extraordinarily difficult to catch."Keyes also was meticulous and methodical, flying to airports in the Lower 48, renting cars, driving hundreds of miles searching for victims, prowling remote spots such as parks, campgrounds and cemeteries. The Koenig case was an exception; it was in his community.In one recorded interview, Keyes discussed his methods:"Back when I was smart, I would let them come to me," he said, adding that he would go to isolated areas far from home. "There's not much to choose from ... but there's also no witnesses."Keyes was proud he'd gone undetected so long. When asked for a motive, Anchorage police officer Bell recalls, Keyes said, "A lot of people ask why, and I would be like: Why not?""He liked what he was doing," says FBI Special Agent Jolene Goeden. "He talked about getting a rush out of it, the adrenaline, the excitement."

Very interesting ideed, thank you for sharing that.
 
Sorry if this has been posted before. If so, I didn't find it here. It is a fairly recent articlenon the sk Israel Keyes. And I think it contains some pretty interesting info about the dual personalities of this particular one. I know Peter can give a lot more examples than I can, but there a quite a few sk's that had claimed that they had this other personality that just takes over when triggered. It is amazing to me how they are able to hide this "other person/evil monster" from close family members and friends.



http://adirondackdailyenterprise.co...k-secrets-of-dead-serial-killer.html?nav=5248

To Monique Doll, Keyes was a Dr. Jekyll-Mr. Hyde personality, but she saw only the diabolical side."We knew him as a serial killer," she says. "That's how he spoke to us. We didn't know ... the father, the hard-working business owner."Keyes warned investigators that others might mischaracterize him."There is no one who knows me - or who has ever known me - who knows anything about me really. ... They're going to tell you something that does not line up with anything I tell you because I'm two different people basically," he says in one snippet released by the FBI."How long have you been two different people?" asks Russo, one of the prosecutors.Keyes laughs. "(A) long time. Fourteen years."Authorities suspect Keyes started killing more than 10 years ago after completing a three-year stint in the Army at what is now Joint Base Lewis-McChord near Tacoma, Wash.Sean McGuire, who shared a barracks with Keyes, says they developed a camaraderie while spending some time together during grueling training in Egypt. But he says he was disturbed by a dark side that sometimes surfaced. When Keyes was offended by his buddy's comments, he'd drop his head, McGuire recalls, knit his brow, lower his voice and say, "I want to kill you, McGuire."Keyes, the second eldest in a large family, was homeschooled in a cabin without electricity near Colville, Wash., in a mountainous, sparsely populated area. The family moved in the 1990s to Smyrna, Maine, where they were involved in the maple syrup business, according to a neighbor who remembered Keyes as a nice, courteous young man.After leaving the Army, Keyes worked for the Makah Indian tribe in Washington, then moved to Anchorage in 2007 after his girlfriend found work here. A self-employed carpenter and handyman, he was considered competent, honest and efficient."I never got any bad, weird, scary, odd vibe from him in any way, shape or form," says Paul Adelman, an Anchorage attorney who first hired Keyes as a handyman in 2008.Keyes' live-in girlfriend also was floored to learn of his double life, according to David Kanters, her friend."He had everyone fooled," Kanters told The Associated Press in an email. "THAT is the scary part. He came across as a nice, normal guy." (She did not respond to numerous requests for comment.)Keyes blended in easily."He was not only very intelligent," Doll says. "He was very adaptable, and he had a lot of self-control. Those three things combined made him extraordinarily difficult to catch."Keyes also was meticulous and methodical, flying to airports in the Lower 48, renting cars, driving hundreds of miles searching for victims, prowling remote spots such as parks, campgrounds and cemeteries. The Koenig case was an exception; it was in his community.In one recorded interview, Keyes discussed his methods:"Back when I was smart, I would let them come to me," he said, adding that he would go to isolated areas far from home. "There's not much to choose from ... but there's also no witnesses."Keyes was proud he'd gone undetected so long. When asked for a motive, Anchorage police officer Bell recalls, Keyes said, "A lot of people ask why, and I would be like: Why not?""He liked what he was doing," says FBI Special Agent Jolene Goeden. "He talked about getting a rush out of it, the adrenaline, the excitement."

A lot of people have two sides. Well, not true, a lot of people have in fact several sides and it depends on the situation in which you meet them or see them. It appears to be incompatible, but in fact it is, for most people the very normal thing. Thomas Harris for example is a quite peaceful personality. And really not violent. He is a cook, who has stretched the term "hobby" far into "gourmet" and according to another peaceful relaxed personality named Richard Bachmann, who is his friend since many years, Harris is only really happy as a clam when he is whipping something up in the kitchen (well, I would have chosen another wording would I have been in Bachmann's shoes). However, Thomas Harris created Hannibal Lecter, Mr. Dollarhyde and of course that unspeakable wannabe taylor in Silence of the Lambs. He has "literally" cut throats, dismembered bodies, hung people with their guts falling off and what is there more of violence. And his peaceful relaxed friend, Richard Bachmann, is better known as Stephen King. Nobody can deny, he wrote some pretty brutal things.
Why I bring up that example is simple: Both men have created some very violent works. Because they could. That means, their imagination at least is able to violence. Only in their normal lives, they don't live violence. That's normal.
The point here is, Israel Keyes was able to live violence and he was willing. Most serial killers talk about double lives. But in fact, they refer to two different sides of their personality and to hide what they did is an effort, that is done conscious, willingly and consequently by the whole person. So it's not the so often quoted schizophrenia (which is anyway the wrong term) and not DID (dissoziative identity disorder), sometimes also referred as dpd (dissoziative personality disorder) because that would establish itself in actual personality change over time phases. For example, drinking a lot to bring out that other personality in the first place. For example time loss. Keyes hadn't such symptoms as far as I know.
Kenneth Bianchi, on of the Hillside Stranglers tried to fake it, but they got him. A real possibility was Bundy. He needed to drink a lot before this other personality, he only called "the Entity" came out. But Bundy was executed before the first better studies in this field were even started. So, well, a lot of serial killers try insanity defenses and DID gets more popular the nearer we come to DSM-V. That doesn't mean, they are actually insane in a legal sense or even a clinical one. They just have different sides for different situation as we all have. Only one of those sides is unusually nasty.
 
I have numerous personalities. Work, family, friends, significant other, and then finally you have yourself. I am not a serial killer in any of my other forms though. Sociopath yes, serial killer no.
 
Double lives are easy. It's the quadruple and quintuple lives that get you in trouble - Lord Of War(Nicholas Cage)

Love NC! That was a great movie!

But yeah, everybody has different personalities some are more aware of theirs than others. Disociative (identity) disorder is a very curious phenomenom. It ranges from one end of the spectrum (simple daydreaming)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_disorder

to the other (fugue state)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
 
SOUNDS FAMILIAR!

Kara Nichols 19 yr old last seen Oct. 9th 2012 when she told her roommates she was going to Denver for a modeling job.

She has a page/photos on Model Mayhem.

WS info page: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189790&highlight=kara+nichols

http://www.krdo.com/news/Kara-Nicho...ance/-/417220/18301358/-/rq6ny3z/-/index.html

** "For the first time, Julia Nichols is talking about her 19-year-old daughter Kara's involvement in drugs and prostitution. "We were reluctant to portray our daughter as just a no good person that no one should care about," Nichols said. "She's our daughter. We love her dearly." Nichols said it was only after Kara went missing in October that she learned what was going on in her daughter's life."

always wondered about model mayhem...tied to MBB at some point>>>?
 
always wondered about model mayhem...tied to MBB at some point>>>?

Sexyjobs, for certain. Don't know about Model Mayhem.

The interesting thing about Sexyjobs is that you can search there by type. Height, weight, hair color, eye color, etc. In other words, a hunter's playground.

MOO, of course.

ETA: And Maureen did work as a dancer at private clubs. Well, let me correct that... her ad says that she did. Whether or not she actually did, I have no way of knowing.
 
Love NC! That was a great movie!

But yeah, everybody has different personalities some are more aware of theirs than others. Disociative (identity) disorder is a very curious phenomenom. It ranges from one end of the spectrum (simple daydreaming)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_disorder

to the other (fugue state)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

Well, I wouldn't consider simple occasional daydreaming as pathological. Happens to everyone now and then. However,t he other end, fugue state, that is pathological and fully blown disorder. And the most pretended one in serial killer circles together with the rather lame "being a psychopath brings that dark urges, can'T do something about it, your honor"
 
Can someone please google and post the following link. Long island serial killer-The other crime scene/ surveilance. In this article dated Oct. 2012 the writer mentions burlap bags filled with sand in Manorville.
 
Thanks for all the kind words. I want to let you know I really appreciate them. I especially liked JFF's remark that even though I was a cop......It has always been my nature to try and be decent to people, even the worst of them. Treat them with the dignity and respect they allow you. Sometimes that is very hard as there is no excuse for the horrors they have done.

In my many visits to the prisons I usually became somewhat depressed to see a man sitting in a cage like an animal. If there was only a pill or an injection we could give them to make them civilized again. I don't have the answers and never will. I always believed that the police academy should instill in their young officers that they should pledge to go out each day while performing their duties to make at least one friend before the end of tour. We would all be the better for it.
 
I have this crazy idea how you can eliminate the drug problem. It could really work, but it will NEVER happen LOL, tell me what you think. Forget about the obvious silliness of it, just if it will work.

I always believed that if you gave the cops a 10% bounty of all the cash recovered on a drug arrest and maybe 5% of the wholesale price of the drugs seized the drug trafficking would disappear like a bucket of steam on a cold night. You wouldn't have to give them overtime to pursue the drug dealers.

Back in my day the vice cops, we called them 'plainclothesmen' were always considered the cops that would make the best detectives. Those cops had a vested interest in finding gamblers to supplement their income. LOL. Trouble is when the cops found the gamblers they didn't arrest all of them. That gave rise to the Knapp Commission.

When I was assigned to the detective division I was assigned to the Manh. DA Sqd. I learned it was the practice of the office NOT to take on former plainclothesman It was tough enough to keep any cop honest and they certainly didn't want anyone that was already probably corrupted.

We had 2 detectives in our office. One guy could never shake off his time he spent undercover with the gangsters. He carried it forward. The bosses thought he was salvageable and so they assigned a straight arrow named AL to partner up with him hoping the straight arrow would influence the tainted guy. I guess you know what happened. It didn't work out the way boss wanted it.
 
I think we should remove the stigma that recreational drugs have. If grown adults want to smoke pot who am I to tell them they can't? They can't tell me I'm not aloud to have a beer. It's just insanity for people to think they should make decisions for other adults. Also it's not a new thing that a lot of the new drug problems are prescribed to people.
 

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