HODGE-PODGE - LISK-related

[silversurvivor]

PLEASE READI am not LISK or The Manorville Butcher or any other serial killer. I was just a Websleuther with local knowledge who(just like many other Members here) was enjoying discussing this case.
The moderators and the owner of this website know my real name, my real email, my real employer and my real address/contact info. Do you really, really think that I would supply all of this information and write over 1,000 posts over several years if I was truly a serial killer???

Well it has come to my attention from someone who has the same name as me that members here continue to sleuth me & even have me pegged as their poi. Unreal. Yes I am a local. Yes I once frequented through oak beach Inn, yes I once had a boat that I kept in Babylon, yes I once created an account & posted one question on the U.G. website while investigating another case, yes I was the first member here to post suspicions that maybe Gilgo & Manorville were connected (before DNA tests were released), yes I owned a pickup truck, yes I visited the Long Island Aquarium in my lifetime, yes I've gone crabbing & snapper fishing at oak beach, yes I've anchored up at hemlock cove, yes I've used the transient boat slips at Cedar beach marina, yes I've gone hunting and camping in Manorville, yes i enjoyed discussing this case, yes i enjoyed helping research old cold cases that could possibly be related, yes i might not have always agreed with some of the theories that have been discussed. yes, yes ,yes!! But please do realize that none of that makes me a serial killer.

Well honey I lived on eastern li until I was 50, done most of those things and others. I'm sure you know thats normal for LI but maybe those who aren't local don't know. It's a way of life there that I do miss. I can't tell you how many times I drove ocean parkway late at night. Went fishing and crabbing those areas early before dawn or after dark. Rode my motorcycle to Manorville to the maples. Walked my dogs in the pine barrens. Worked with burlap on a farm.
You take care of you. It'll be ok. I understand your being upset and I'm sorry to hear it. << hugs >>
Keep posting! !


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[Holly Gothlightly]

Really? Are you joking? I never thought that perhaps the actual killer would check in here to see what people were taking about, but now that you bring it up, I totally would be on these boards if I was LISK (which I am not saying you are). The G4 began with the Internet, so I would not be at all surprised if any killer frequented these boards.

 

[gwaterjetski]

I'm new to these boards but have been doing some sleuthing for some time now. That being said this case is of such size and score there is much to keep organized and take into account.

I am of the belief that there are at least two killers. Possibly one killer and a student. It would take a miracle for this case to be solved. The police have botched this case from the start. Lack of communication between law enforcement. Corruption at the highest level.

The only way for this case to be solved is to really focus on the very first victims. If there were any mistakes make by LISK and or the torso killer and student's, that's where we all need to be looking.

I am going to focus my attention on the yet to be identified victims.

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[maddalena1]

PLEASE READI am not LISK or The Manorville Butcher or any other serial killer. I was just a Websleuther with local knowledge who(just like many other Members here) was enjoying discussing this case.
The moderators and the owner of this website know my real name, my real email, my real employer and my real address/contact info. Do you really, really think that I would supply all of this information and write over 1,000 posts over several years if I was truly a serial killer???

Well it has come to my attention from someone who has the same name as me that members here continue to sleuth me & even have me pegged as their poi. Unreal. Yes I am a local. Yes I once frequented through oak beach Inn, yes I once had a boat that I kept in Babylon, yes I once created an account & posted one question on the U.G. website while investigating another case, yes I was the first member here to post suspicions that maybe Gilgo & Manorville were connected (before DNA tests were released), yes I owned a pickup truck, yes I visited the Long Island Aquarium in my lifetime, yes I've gone crabbing & snapper fishing at oak beach, yes I've anchored up at hemlock cove, yes I've used the transient boat slips at Cedar beach marina, yes I've gone hunting and camping in Manorville, yes i enjoyed discussing this case, yes i enjoyed helping research old cold cases that could possibly be related, yes i might not have always agreed with some of the theories that have been discussed. yes, yes ,yes!! But please do realize that none of that makes me a serial killer.

I have been reading ur posts for years seaslug and u are not the killer. This is the same junk that started happening on the old lisk site. Keep posting....

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[Armchair-reader]

Really? Are you joking? I never thought that perhaps the actual killer would check in here to see what people were taking about, but now that you bring it up, I totally would be on these boards if I was LISK (which I am not saying you are). The G4 began with the Internet, so I would not be at all surprised if any killer frequented these boards.

I would sure be on these boards checking out what is being said about me if I were LISK. And I think his ego has probably brought him here but his cowardice would never allow him to post. It would not surprise me if he were sitting back reading each post and having a good laugh every time someone was way off target. Playing the hot-cold game. To make the calls he did screams megalomaniac. He wants to read about himself but it's just killing him he can't post. He may get caught. And we know he couldn't handle prison.

 

[Armchair-reader]

AND.....I don't know what thread to put this on.

Is this guy:
http://postimg.org/image/ld44c0g83/f087779b/
This guy:
https://s27.postimg.org/7jgro345f/image.jpg

Hoping the links work

 

[Really?]

AND.....I don't know what thread to put this on.

Is this guy:
http://postimg.org/image/ld44c0g83/f087779b/
This guy:
https://s27.postimg.org/7jgro345f/image.jpg

Hoping the links work

Yes.......moo

 

[DQN]

Yes.......moo

Could be same nose bridge. Whats the background of the image?

 

[Armchair-reader]

Could be same nose bridge. Whats the background of the image?

thank you D.Q.N I just needed a little reassurance on this.
https://krimeshare.com/cases/2015/07/new-sketch-released-in-hopes-of-solving-1982-murder/
The photo in sure you know is Dr. Hackem errm Hackett and the rest is in that article. I've been trying to find an addie for him in Virginia in 1982 for the past few hours. I just need you senior sleuths to look at this please

 

[DQN]

thank you D.Q.N I just needed a little reassurance on this.
https://krimeshare.com/cases/2015/07/new-sketch-released-in-hopes-of-solving-1982-murder/
The photo in sure you know is Dr. Hackem errm Hackett and the rest is in that article. I've been trying to find an addie for him in Virginia in 1982 for the past few hours. I just need you senior sleuths to look at this please

There are Peter Hacketts listed in Virginia do you know his middle initial or wife's name? He could of had a vacation home in Virginia. ???

 

[DQN]

There are Peter Hacketts listed in Virginia do you know his middle initial or wife's name? He could of had a vacation home in Virginia. ???

It has to be "C" there was a Peter C Hackett listed living in Oak Beach, Larboard CT in 1994

 

[Armchair-reader]

It has to be "C" there was a Peter C Hackett listed living in Oak Beach, Larboard CT in 1994

Peter Charles Hackett. Wife Barbara

 

[Armchair-reader]

Peter Charles Hackett. Wife Barbara

Charles Peter Hackett

 

[Armchair-reader]

Ok I'm going to go through a scenario. It may sound stupid but I'm going to roll with it. Brewer decides to have a party but not alone, Hackett is either there from the beginning of comes later. SG shows up party is going fine for awhile but then things get a little on the bizarre side and I will blame this on Hackett. He demands things done that SG will not do. He is a Dr. He may or may not have drugged her in some way. Somehow though he did something to scare the hell out of her. Brewer being a perv but not a brutal sadist puts a stop to what is going on. SG for very good reason is freaking out goes for her phone calls 911. Hackett says screw this I'm out of here. Exits out back door or front(driver is asleep) SG still on phone "THEY are trying to kill me..." Brewer is now freaking out. He has got to get this girl out of here. Goes outside to the car wakes up driver. SG runs out. She is so hysterical she doesn't know who to trust or she is incoherent from a drug. In her mind she is now running for her life. She picks the same direction the good old Dr has gone and practically runs right into his waiting arms. Now they fight and struggle into the brush with him ripping her clothes off but she is a scrapper and manages to get away from him. SG goes deeper in the brush. Hackett doesn't realize how far though he thinks she got away. Short time passes Hackett now worried makes the call to SG mom to cover his . "Oh she showed up I helped her , sent her on her way" whatever. She is found dead. Hackett changes his tune. "Nope never called, never seen her before in my life" (my quotes are paraphrasing) yes somewhere in there she runs into the neighbor asking for help.
Maybe Hackett told her what he planned on doing and that would scare anyone. Is Hackett being protected by the PD ?So call isn't released?

 

[DQN]

Ok I'm going to go through a scenario. It may sound stupid but I'm going to roll with it. Brewer decides to have a party but not alone, Hackett is either there from the beginning of comes later. SG shows up party is going fine for awhile but then things get a little on the bizarre side and I will blame this on Hackett. He demands things done that SG will not do. He is a Dr. He may or may not have drugged her in some way. Somehow though he did something to scare the hell out of her. Brewer being a perv but not a brutal sadist puts a stop to what is going on. SG for very good reason is freaking out goes for her phone calls 911. Hackett says screw this I'm out of here. Exits out back door or front(driver is asleep) SG still on phone "THEY are trying to kill me..." Brewer is now freaking out. He has got to get this girl out of here. Goes outside to the car wakes up driver. SG runs out. She is so hysterical she doesn't know who to trust or she is incoherent from a drug. In her mind she is now running for her life. She picks the same direction the good old Dr has gone and practically runs right into his waiting arms. Now they fight and struggle into the brush with him ripping her clothes off but she is a scrapper and manages to get away from him. SG goes deeper in the brush. Hackett doesn't realize how far though he thinks she got away. Short time passes Hackett now worried makes the call to SG mom to cover his . "Oh she showed up I helped her , sent her on her way" whatever. She is found dead. Hackett changes his tune. "Nope never called, never seen her before in my life" (my quotes are paraphrasing) yes somewhere in there she runs into the neighbor asking for help.
Maybe Hackett told her what he planned on doing and that would scare anyone. Is Hackett being protected by the PD ?So call isn't released?

Hackett is a bizarre weirdo. He has a connection with the Suffolk County PD he was also Surgeon General for Suffolk County so he knows Burke, Spota...After that phone call incident I would put nothing past him. A so called educated Doctor calls Shannon's mother and then denies it? He wanted to cover his own butt. But it was a dumb move.

 

[LadyFey]

And if there is something on her 911 tape that would compromise the LISK investigation then how can we believe her death was an accident...if her death was truly and accident SCPD wouldn't fighting so hard to keep her 911 call under wraps

If they can't release any 911 recordings without a court order, then they can't. It's not up to LE, The court must also consider the ramifications granting such a court order will have on future cases by setting this precedent. The consequences are more complex, and will affect more than simply this one single case.

 

[fred&edna]

If they can't release any 911 recordings without a court order, then they can't. It's not up to LE, The court must also consider the ramifications granting such a court order will have on future cases by setting this precedent. The consequences are more complex, and will affect more than simply this one single case.

Precedent was already set in another Suffolk Co civil case. In that case they released the 911 recording.

 

[Armchair-reader]

New York medical school. 1985

He had to be in medical school I imagine. He did live in Florida for awhile too. You bet your biscuits I've been looking for Jane does ect..around that school at that time and in Florida. There are to many strangulation deaths of sex workers to deal with in Florida. WOWIE

 

[Armchair-reader]

He had to be in medical school I imagine. He did live in Florida for awhile too. You bet your biscuits I've been looking for Jane does ect..around that school at that time and in Florida. There are to many strangulation deaths of sex workers to deal with in Florida. WOWIE

ok it was the New York College of Osteopathic Medicine in Westbury NY. 1985

 

[SageRhiannon]

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I'm glad you posted this. I ran across it as well. IIRC, the brother helped dispose of the victims. IMO, he should be checked out further.

This guy is my #1 POI

Robert Shulman’s brother confessed to helping his brother dispose of bodies & hindering an investigation. His brother lived in an apartment in same house as his brother during the murders. Robert Shulman’s brother was sentenced to 2 years for his participation. There is no overlap in his sentence & the Manorville Butcher (MB) murders that I could find

Robert Shulman’s hunting grounds were Brooklyn & Queens. LISK’s hunting grounds were Brooklyn, Queens, NYC & Long Island. Manorville Butcher’s hunting grounds were Long Island, unknown.

Robert Shulman’s dumping grounds were Yonkers, Brooklyn, Melville & Medford (Westchester county, Kings county, Suffolk County). LISK dumping grounds were Gilgo Beach. MB’s dumping grounds were Hempstead, Ocean Parkway & Manorville (Nassau county & Suffolk county). If we include Cherries, it is also includes Westchester County.

Robert Shulman dismembered bodies and scattered different body parts in different counties. LISK left bodies intact. MB dismembered bodies and scattered different body parts in different counties.

Robert Shulman’s victims were identified & non-identified. LISK victims were all identified. MB victims are identified & non-identified.

Robert Shulman’s victim was traced down because of a tattoo. He said he would have cut out tattoo if he knew that. MB victim Jessica Taylor found with tattoo sliced up.

Robert’s brother was made to dress up as a girl as a child, according to a blog written by Linda Stasi. Asian male found dressed up as female. http://observer.com/1999/08/brotherly-love-and-the-luck-of-the-draw/

Robert Shulman’s mother was said to be neglectful. His mother committed suicide, along with a brother (not same brother as body disposal helper).

Robert Shulman used Rubbermaid trash cans, garbage bags, sleeping bags, sheets & towels and one victim was found wrapped in jute carpet backing (burlap is made from jute & carpet backing looks a lot like burlap) . MB used Rubbermaid storage bins, garbage bags, sheets & towels. LISK wrapped his victims in burlap. (Wrapped may be incorrect, the trial transcript was vague).

Robert Shulman beat his victims violently. LISK strangled his victims. MB beat some, rest unknown.

Robert Shulman’s attorneys believe he confessed quickly so as to keep investigation off his brother.

Robert Shulman’s brother lives(ed) in Long Beach, which is on the South Shore and close to Ocean Parkway.

Robert Shulman used his brother’s car to pick up victims. His brother used his car to dispose of victims.

Robert Shulman hunted in Queens. LISK made a reference to whorehouse in Queens when phoning victims’ relatives.

Robert Shulman’s brother commuted to NYC to work at post office at some point. A call was made to relatives from Penn Station. (Not sure of his employment dates).

Robert Shulman made comments that prostitutes hate and kill people and that they committed crimes and did not pay taxes.

Earliest known MB victim is in 1996. Robert Shulman was arrested in 1996.

Some of these are very loose connections, but the overall picture is there.