Holly Bobo found deceased, discussion thread *Arrests* #6

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  • #121
There is simply no evidence or information supporting what you have said. None.

Respectfully, I have to tell you that when you said this, it made me laugh at the irony.

You've been arguing for quite some time that "we shouldn't read anything!" into the fact that there's no evidence to support your glowing outlook on the charges against the defendants. Then, in the next breath, you deride someone because there's no evidence to prove the opposite pov. LOL It's funny.

Reality is, any of us here can choose to spin the case in one fashion or the other. "What we haven't been told" (which, if we're honest, is pretty much everything) may in fact clearly lead to convictions, or it may lead to acquittals, or it may be a mixed bag.

But only one thing is certain - - you don't know what you don't know.
 
  • #122
With the confession of Dylan Adams to rape charges, one of my fears, that somehow the thugs involved might get away with 2nd degree.... but rape shows premeditation, no? So has to be a capital crime....

New DA seems sensitive to the family, and sincere...

At this point, I don't think we will learn anything new till the trial from LE... IMO the DA will shelter this long suffering family... I cringe upon learning new details about the suffering Holly endured...

As others mentioned on the last thread - even though we all know horrible things happened, when you read them in the form of charges and admissions; what she must have endured takes on added reality.
 
  • #123
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  • #124
Someone representing JA is speaking out about recent events in the case. The attorney of course had harsh words for law enforcement's handling of the investigation, stating that some of what has been taking place is "unconstitutional".

Also, the new district attorney Matt Stowe is apparently dealing with some sort of loss in his family.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/26817760/autrys-attorney-weighs-in-on-changes-in-bobo-case
 
  • #125
IMO that is nonsense. Even though DA is facing federal charges, he is still facing the rape charges. If your argument is correct then they would have dropped those as well, but they didn't. Also, they were well aware that MP was already in custody on the federal charges when they initially charged him in connection with the mythical video. So, if the federal charges were going to take precedent preventing them from continuing, they would have known that then, it would not have suddenly been discovered now (unless they are totally incompetent). It is pretty obvious that these minor charges they have been making have been tactical, with little chance of actually resulting in a conviction. They know they wont get a conviction, but what these charges do is allow the prosecution to form an opinion of what happened in the case in the general public's mind without actually releasing actual information. That is valuable when it comes to trial, especially if their evidence is weak, because by then it may be common belief in the community that the accused are guilty, and it becomes much easier to get a conviction on the main charges.

The charges against MP and DA that were dropped were probably dropped because of lack of evidence, no matter what kind of spin the district attorney would like to put on it. They most likely withdrew the charges because they knew that those particular ones were going to be dismissed quickly, and a dismissal would challenge the credibility of the other allegations they were making. It is just strategic positioning so that they can go into a trial with the public conditioned to believing that the accused are probably guilty before the trial starts.

When the main case does go to trial, the testimony of people like D and S are going to be critical, any physical evidence they have collected is more likely to be corroborative in nature rather than definitive. It is the allegations of D and S that connect the other two to the case, so if D and S are impeachable due to physical evidence not supporting what they are saying, the trial is probably going to result in a dismissal. The fact that they are charging, or threatening to charge, these guys AFTER they have cooperated tells me that whatever they were telling LE was not being corroborated by whatever physical evidence they were collecting or trying to collect. That means that their case is probably very weak at the moment, not very strong. The new charges (and earlier threats to revoke immunity) are an attempt to intimidate these guys into coming up with an account that can somehow be corroborated, but without saying so explicitly since that would constitute witness tampering. IMO it is a sort of "wink wink nudge nudge .....say what we want you to say or go to jail" sort of thing.

My guess is that the new charges against DA probably came about during this process where DA was trying to figure out what he could tell them that would be what they wanted (they can't tell him directly what they want him to say - he has to come up with it himself). So he would have been telling them a bunch of stuff, true or not, but some of which ended up implicating him rather than the other two.

The BBM is my thinking as well.
 
  • #126
The state did not realize Pearcy faced unrelated federal gun charges, and they have to wait to proceed with state charges.
"If the state is claiming that is the case, the prosecutor is either ill-informed or being disingenuous," Herbison said.

SNIP

"If those reports are correct, it means that they're just playing games," Herbison said. "They charged him with something less serious in order to keep him locked up, and then when it comes times to answer questions about the charge, they dismiss that and charge him with a more serious charge in circuit court, where he's not entitled to a preliminary hearing."

http://www.wsmv.com/story/26817760/autrys-attorney-weighs-in-on-changes-in-bobo-case

Said it probably a hundred times in this case so what is one more? - I believe wholeheartedly that ZA and JA are the ones who abducted Holly and are responsible for her murder. But JA's attorney makes a good point with what he alleges is the reasoning behind the State's actions in this case. I think he is hitting the nail on the head.

I sure hope the state has the goods. But the maneuvering I have seen throughout this case as it's played out causes me great concern about how solid a case has been built.
 
  • #127
So, the charges against Mark Pearcy have been dropped , but the charges against Jeff Pearcy haven't been dropped? Didn't the phone with the alleged video belong to Mark? Or am I even more confused than I thought?

ETA: Oh hell, nevermind. I see now that these charges against MP were dropped because he has federal gun charges that he must be prosecuted first. Which begs the question, "Didn't the DA know this before they charged him with the Bobo related offenses?". But I'm not asking, because at this point, I give up trying to figure out what the hell is going on here.

Jason Autry's attorney is basically saying this excuse of "they have to drop them because the gun charges" is a big fat lie and no such law exists. He's saying they dropped them because they don't want to answer any questions or divulge any evidence. I believe him. They're playing this round robin game of charges with these guys. He says the evidence tampering charge against DA was charged and then dropped, again, to keep him in jail and then dropped to avoid having to answer any questions. There's a lot wrong with what is going on here.
 
  • #128
The state did not realize Pearcy faced unrelated federal gun charges, and they have to wait to proceed with state charges.
"If the state is claiming that is the case, the prosecutor is either ill-informed or being disingenuous," Herbison said.

SNIP

"If those reports are correct, it means that they're just playing games," Herbison said. "They charged him with something less serious in order to keep him locked up, and then when it comes times to answer questions about the charge, they dismiss that and charge him with a more serious charge in circuit court, where he's not entitled to a preliminary hearing."

http://www.wsmv.com/story/26817760/autrys-attorney-weighs-in-on-changes-in-bobo-case

Said it probably a hundred times in this case so what is one more? - I believe wholeheartedly that ZA and JA are the ones who abducted Holly and are responsible for her murder. But JA's attorney makes a good point with what he alleges is the reasoning behind the State's actions in this case. I think he is hitting the nail on the head.

I sure hope the state has the goods. But the maneuvering I have seen throughout this case as it's played out causes me great concern about how solid a case has been built.

I'm a lot less certain that they are the right guys, but I agree with you on the rest of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending these guys. There are likely a lot of other things they need to be in jail for, but I don't see anything that is remotely convincing as it relates to the Bobo case. I just hope they don't go fabricating evidence against them.
 
  • #129
I honestly couldn't disagree more. While there may be some maneuvering by both the DA and these criminals, I think the new evidence found in the woods contradicted the story Dylan had told them before which is why the Sheriff and the DA both said they were "going after" another arrest, and it turned out to be Dylan.

LE and the District Attorney doesn't need any of these guys to "corroborate" evidence anymore, because they HAVE the evidence. Nothing is better than finding the body in a case like this, and the Ginseng-guy witness (who will be part of the trial) said there was also a bucket and something was in it, but he couldn't say what it was. I think they have DNA from Dylan, hair, clothing, something - which is why he confessed to the rape, but perhaps not the murder.

Maybe what they told Dylan was that he will be charged with the lesser sentence of rape to spare himself from the Death Penalty, while they throw the book at the other two. I think it's as simple as that.

They do need the testimony of D and S, otherwise they have nothing to connect the other two to the crime. That testimony will be critical if they hope to get a conviction, and if they are charging/threatening to charge those two guys then either that testimony is not going to happen.

The prosecution DOES have to corroborate the allegations, and finding the body is not corroboration since that does not indicated guilt of the accused any more than it indicates the guilt of you or I. It shows she died but does not show who killed her. To prove that they are going to need the testimony from D and S in court, AND that testimony has to be unimpeachable, in other words it has to be corroborated independently by physical evidence. So, if S said they would find the body in location X, then they HAVE to find the body at location X, or at least evidence that it was there, or S's testimony is worthless. Likewise with the allegations D has made.

In both instances, if the case is dependent on the testimony of these two men (and by virtue of how all this has played out, it must be) then both would be given immunity from prosecution to secure that testimony in trial. But, we are seeing D being charged, and S threatened with charges. That implies that their testimony is compromised, which in turn implies that the primary case is compromised.
 
  • #130
There is simply no evidence or information supporting what you have said. None.

The only charges they have dismissed at this time are the two who already have pending federal gun charges. Often the feds will allow a state case to go forward first and its obvious the Feds don't want to do that in this particular case. The feds did allow the state case to go forward on Joe Duncan and then tried him after his conviction in Idaho but its the feds call.

It is very noticeable that JPs charges were not dropped.

And the others have been in jail on charges for months and Stowe hasn't budged on any of those charges nor will he.

IMO

JP's charges were not dropped because they have a witness who claims directly that he had the video. So that would be probable cause, albeit weak. In MP's case the witness did not claim to see the video in his possession, or even see him on it, only that she heard what she thought was his voice on it. Remember, this witness knows JP well, not MP, so her opinion that it was his voice is worth a bag of beans. The case against MP with respect to the video is non-existent, and there is no way he should have been charged based on the evidence. It is almost certain that the charge against MP would have been dismissed in an evidentiary hearing. That is why the prosecutors dropped it, they know perfectly well that it would be dismissed, not to mention that the judge would probably publically admonish them for filing charges on such slim grounds to start with.
 
  • #131
MizStery said:
]If you read the article at the WKRN link the judge :badmood:the Decatur Sessions Courthouse that Mark Pearcy was not in his courtroom. He charged his officers with coordinating with the Feds to get Mark Pearcy at a hearing before him on the "assessory after the fact" charges.MOO
LINK
.http://wkrn.com/story/26305183/holly-bobo-suspect-mark-pearcy-fails-to-appear


Thanks jhggordo,
Here are some scheduling changes from the Decatur General Sessions Court:
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The district attorney's office said it could confirm pending federal firearm charges against Mark Lynn Pearcy and that the state must wait until the conclusion of federal proceedings before optaining custody of Pearcy to proceed with state charges against him.
<snipped>Preliminary hearings in Decatur County General Sessions Court scheduled for Monday, October 20, 9:00 a.m. for Pearcy and Wednesday, October 22 at 1:00 pm for Adams have been cancelled.
http://jacksonsun.com/story/news/sp...ped-against-mark-pearcy-dylan-adams/17316375/

JP's charges were not dropped because they have a witness who claims directly that he had the video. So that would be probable cause, albeit weak. In MP's case the witness did not claim to see the video in his possession, or even see him on it, only that she heard what she thought was his voice on it. Remember, this witness knows JP well, not MP, so her opinion that it was his voice is worth a bag of beans. The case against MP with respect to the video is non-existent, and there is no way he should have been charged based on the evidence. It is almost certain that the charge against MP would have been dismissed in an evidentiary hearing. That is why the prosecutors dropped it, they know perfectly well that it would be dismissed, not to mention that the judge would probably publically admonish them for filing charges on such slim grounds to start with.

Witness Swears saw VictimTied Crying
<snipped>
"Henderson County judge who presided over the hearing ruled that there was enough evidence against Jeff Pearcy to send the case to a grand jury."
<snipped>
LINK
http://nydailynews.com/news/crime/w...ing-cell-phone-video-report-article-1.1885510


A judge has ruled there is enough evidence against Jeff Pearcy to send the case to a grand jury.

So,we already know (please correct if I am wrong on Grand Jury's) that any grand jury testimony by Jeff Pearcy can be used by Prosecutor Stowe in a future trial. We can stick a fork in either or both Mark Pearcy and Jeff Pearcy if it is confirmed a video existed with Mark Pearcy's voice in it in any grand jury testimony. MOO
 
  • #132
Does anybody know when the next court date is for JP?
 
  • #133
Does anybody know when the next court date is for JP?


:seeya:

I have not seen any update on JP's next court date ... and as far as we know, the charges against JP have NOT been dropped.

If I see anything, I'll post here and on the Court Case thread.
 
  • #134
Does anybody know when the next court date is for JP?

:seeya:

I have not seen any update on JP's next court date ... and as far as we know, the charges against JP have NOT been dropped.

If I see anything, I'll post here and on the Court Case thread.

Here is an article,perhaps another one of our super :websleuther: can find a later post:
http://wbbjtv.com/news/local/Pearcy--269106241.html?m=y&smobile=y
<snipped>
during the hearing, a judge ruled Pearcy have his handgun returned because the weapon is not related to the Bobo case and because Pearcy has no prior felony convictions. The gun was taken when he was arrested in May. If indicted on counts of tampering with evidence and accessory after the fact, Pearcy's attorney said he will likely return to court in late October.
 
  • #135
I'm just here for Holly. May all the trash that did this, knew about this, and hid this, rot in eternal damnation.
 
  • #136





Witness Swears saw VictimTied Crying
<snipped>
"Henderson County judge who presided over the hearing ruled that there was enough evidence against Jeff Pearcy to send the case to a grand jury."
<snipped>
LINK
http://nydailynews.com/news/crime/w...ing-cell-phone-video-report-article-1.1885510


A judge has ruled there is enough evidence against Jeff Pearcy to send the case to a grand jury.

So,we already know (please correct if I am wrong on Grand Jury's) that any grand jury testimony by Jeff Pearcy can be used by Prosecutor Stowe in a future trial. We can stick a fork in either or both Mark Pearcy and Jeff Pearcy if it is confirmed a video existed with Mark Pearcy's voice in it in any grand jury testimony. MOO

JP is the one charged, he won't testify to a grand jury investigating him or anyone else on this matter. Also, whatever testimony that is given to a grand jury cannot be used in trial if the witness is available, and it is pretty unlikely that he is going to testify to anything.
 
  • #137
JP's charges were not dropped because they have a witness who claims directly that he had the video. So that would be probable cause, albeit weak. In MP's case the witness did not claim to see the video in his possession, or even see him on it, only that she heard what she thought was his voice on it. Remember, this witness knows JP well, not MP, so her opinion that it was his voice is worth a bag of beans. The case against MP with respect to the video is non-existent, and there is no way he should have been charged based on the evidence. It is almost certain that the charge against MP would have been dismissed in an evidentiary hearing. That is why the prosecutors dropped it, they know perfectly well that it would be dismissed, not to mention that the judge would probably publically admonish them for filing charges on such slim grounds to start with.
Tugela corrected my post. Jeff Pearcy will not testify to the Grand Juryon these charges.

Witness Swears saw VictimTied Crying
<snipped>
"Henderson County judge who presided over the hearing ruled that there was enough evidence against Jeff Pearcy to send the case to a grand jury."
<snipped>
LINK
http://nydailynews.com/news/crime/w...ing-cell-phone-video-report-article-1.1885510
A judge has ruled there is enough evidence against Jeff Pearcy to send the case to a grand jury.

So,we already know (Tugula corrected my post so this is wrong and I stand corrected) that any grand jury testimony by Jeff Pearcy can be used by Prosecutor Stowe in a future trial. We can stick a fork in either or both Mark Pearcy and Jeff Pearcy if it is confirmed a video existed with Mark Pearcy's voice in it in any grand jury testimony. MOO

JP is the one charged, he won't testify to a grand jury investigating him or anyone else on this matter. Also, whatever testimony that is given to a grand jury cannot be used in trial.
<snipped>

To summarize the status of Jeff Pearcy and his half brother Mark Lynn Pearcy:

The District Attorney General's Office for the 24th Judicial District sent a news release. The release said charges "accessory after fact" scheduled to be heard at a hearing before Judge Woods in Decatur Sessions Court against Mark Lynn Pearcy were dismissed in the Holly Bobo case.

However,his half-brother Jeff faces the same charges in neighboring Henderson County.
After preliminary hearing in Henderson County General Sessions Court, which included testimony from King (woman Pearcy previously lived with)and a Tennessee Bureau of Investigation special agent, the judge ruled there was enough evidence to send the case to the grand jury. If Pearcy is indicted on the charges, he'll be arraigned in Circuit Court in October, Baker (his attorney) said.

We are in a holding pattern. Hopefuly :sigh: we should be able to figure out if the grand jury could substantiate from sworn testimony if a video ever existed. Otherwise,we will have to wait to see if more charges are filed or wait until the trial. MOO
 
  • #138
Here is an article,perhaps another one of our super :websleuther: can find a later post:
http://wbbjtv.com/news/local/Pearcy--269106241.html?m=y&smobile=y


Snipped:

:seeya:

I just did a search for any updates on JP and this is all I found that is "recent" ... I cannot find anything about JP's court date.


Here are some snippets from an NBC article:

Man Charged in Holly Bobo Case Denies Video, Fears for Safety

First published September 11th 2014, 6:55 pm

Authorities say Jeffrey Pearcy, 42, had a cell phone video that has evidence that would be helpful in the investigation into Bobo’s death. Pearcy denied it, and in he and his brother were charged with tampering with evidence.

"I look forward to my day in court, because I want people to know the truth," Pearcy said.



Link: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-holly-bobo-case-denies-video-fears-safety-n201566


ETA:

Found another link about JP's hearing to be held in October -- no date was given:


A witness claimed in court Tuesday to have seen a video featuring nursing student Holly Bobo after she disappeared in 2011. The claim was made during the preliminary hearing for one of two half-brothers arrested in connection with the case.

A judge in Henderson County ruled Tuesday there was enough probable cause to move forward in the case against Jeff Pearcy, who has been charged with tampering with evidence and accessory after the fact.

Another hearing has been scheduled for October.



Link: http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/new...nnection-To-Bobo-Disappearance-269023111.html
 
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So let me get this straight....Jeff, who allegedly showed the video to a woman, is still being charged. But Mark, who allegedly recorded the video, is having those charges dropped?

Can anyone speculate on what the reasoning is in that? Apparently the Bobos know. But if LE drops the accessory charge against Mark, could they bring that charge back after the federal charges are finished?
 
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