Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #1 ***ARREST***

[oceanblueeyes]

I have been watching case very close, I wonder if Zachary Adams has an alibi??

Evidently not a credible one since he has been arrested for the kidnapping and murder of Holly.

IMO

 

[LadyO]

I am also wondering if this family has money or political connections. because he should have spent way more time for the charges on his rap sheet than he did.

Can any locals shed light on his family? (I hope this isn't against the rules here).

I am not a local (live about an hour away), and can shed no light on the family in this case, but I don't think ZA's "getting away with" so many crimes necessarily has anything to do with family influence. I have a family member who was left disabled after being hit head-on by a driver high on meth. This guy has a rap sheet a mile long - very reminiscent of ZA. Prior to 2009, he had never served more than a few months for any crime (a few weeks was more the norm). He was sentenced to several years in my relative's case - he served 5 months. :banghead: He was sentenced to 20 years in 2009 for another vehicular-related accident, and was paroled yet again last month. :banghead::banghead: He is a ticking time bomb. It is absolutely impossible for him to have had any monetary or political influence on authorities - he and his family are all a bunch of drugged up losers. I think this, and ZA's situation as well, are simply representative of the way our current justice system in TN has chosen to deal with the meth problem - basically, do nothing and hope the criminals overdose themselves soon. It has to change, things cannot go on this way any longer.

I have considered that maybe the man in my relative's case and/or ZA could either 1.) be an informant of some sort and keeps getting released as reward for that, or 2.) be working in drug distribution for someone within the justice system. Nothing would surprise me honestly.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

From a distance, with the facial hair added to the sketch, it COULD "resemble" ZA. The most striking feature, other than his ears, are his eyes, and those don't match, either. Perhaps eyes are the hardest to get right.

I absolutely believe the composite sketch does look like ZA. What cant be seen from a frontal view of him is he has an extremely jutting pointy chin and that would make his face appear very angular and thin to someone close up to him like HS was, imo.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thank you for the reminder about the restraining order on the old boyfriend. I had completely forgottena bout him.

When I was thinking about the screams, I wasn't thinking about someone seeing him because of it. I was thinking of two things, actually. Someone said a guy actually finished putting oil in his car (seriously?!) before mentioning the screaming to his wife. I just wondered how long the screaming went on. A startled scream is one thing. A prolonged screaming battle for her life is another. I surely hope oil in the car guy didn't ignore several minutes of terrified screaming.

Either way, if ANYONE (but especially the local meth addict) showed up at my isolated home at that time of the morning and expected me to go into the woods with him, the only way I'm going is over his shoulder or being dragged unconscious. Weapon or not, no way am I going into the woods with a relative stranger on my own two feet. So one of my burning questions was how the heck he convinced her to either stop fighting or not fight and to go with him. Unfortunately, that's one question that may never get answered, unless one of his cronies testifies.

From my impression he heard one scream and it wasn't his wife he told. It was his mother whom he lived with.

Sadly, not everyone is tough in situations like this especially a frightened sheltered 20 year old woman.

Like in most instances, he probably threatened to kill her if she didn't comply with his demands. Unfortunately we have seen this same scenario play out many times over the years here and the victim was so scared of the suspect they did comply.

I have also been thinking about the two words that Clint said he could make out when the perp and Holly were in the garage at first.

He said all he could make out was 'no, why' but it may very well have been two statements instead of one statement altogether imo. She could have first said 'NO!" when he told her she had to come with him. At this time maybe is where he injured her to let her know he meant business. Then after saying NO! to protest leaving with him, she could have said "WHY?" as if to imply she didn't understand why ZA was doing this to her.

JMO though

 

[Vaedur]

Does it matter how "close" the sketch is? I mean, isn't the fact that "it's in the same ballpark" good enough? I mean, how close can we expect it to be? I would expect eyes and hairlines to be different, I mean someone is making a sketch from another's memory here...

 

[mck16]

The sketch does not match him AT ALL.

-Different hair/hairline.
-Different nose.
-Different chin/overall face shape.
-Different lips.

Even the ears are different, which are ZA's most distinguishing feature.

I totally agree with you. Lips and nose especially. jmo

 

[mck16]

Does it matter how "close" the sketch is? I mean, isn't the fact that "it's in the same ballpark" good enough? I mean, how close can we expect it to be? I would expect eyes and hairlines to be different, I mean someone is making a sketch from another's memory here...

I agree that it doesn't really matter, so why don't we quit commenting about it? jmo

 

[Dogface]

In regard to whether the sketch looks like him or not I would like to make a few points:

1. Sketch results vary greatly, and depending on the experience of the artist, can be very close or far off. See this wonderful sketch: worst sketch ever?

2. What victims and eyewitnesses remember can be off.

3. What looks like someone to one person may not look like the same person to another. Example: just recently I said this guy looked like emmit smith, my other half disagreed, so of course we googled Emmit Smith, and I still say he looks like him while dh says he doesn't. We were comparing the same two people, with actual pictures of each, and reached different conclusions. Just for the record, the guy totally looked like Emmit Smith.

 

[HMSHood]

I never thought Holly Bobo's murder is tied to methamphetamine. I know methamphetamine is a huge problem everywhere, especially in Appalachia and Western US.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

New here, Hello. I have a few observations.
1) Parents being in denial is normal. If it's your child, you would most likely make excuses for them in your mind.
2) Crystal Meth is a bad bad drug, meth was a major factor here...
3) Crystal Meth is a bad bad drug, meth was a major factor here... wrote it twice for a reason.
4) Everyone knows everyone in a small town like this from experience.

I don't know if "drug addiction" can be used as a way to avoid the death penalty, but if a lawyer is saying the perp was out of their mind and hardly knew what they were doing, it's very possibly true, they don't even need to make it up.

I don't believe drug use can be used and I read a statement from the TBI yesterday they do not know if ZA was even on meth at the time he kidnapped and murdered Holly.

It will be irrelevant just like alcohol usage doesn't diminish the charge when someone gets out and kills people in a vehicle when they are DUI.

I am not sure they are out of their mind either. This man has long been known for being a very violent individual. It is his violent ways that made him capable of doing something this horrendous. It wasn't the drugs ....it was what resided inside of him all along and it came out in full force when he kidnapped and murdered Holly.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I never thought Holly Bobo's murder is tied to methamphetamine. I know methamphetamine is a huge problem everywhere, especially in Appalachia and Western US.

I never thought it had anything to do with drugs either. Imo, this was a sexually motivated crime. It isn't shocking to learn her kidnapper and killer turnout to be deep into drugs.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree that it doesn't really matter, so why don't we quit commenting about it? jmo

No it doesn't matter and from an article I read HS identified ZA as the one who attempted to kidnap her.

IMO

 

[HMSHood]

It bugs me to hear ZA's mom defending him. Sorry, going to the ends of earth to defend your kid is not good parenting, it's called enabling. I understand it with drug addiction, as I have addicts in my own family, but I hate when parents make up excuse after excuse for their kid turning into a violent person who intentionally harms others. Sorry, but you can't claim addiction or "hanging out with a bad crowd" at that point. Admit that you sucked as a parent, and raised a bad person. I actually sort of respect Adam Lanza's father for coming forward and admitting that yeah, my son was a horrible person. I wish people would just say, yup, he did this, he's going to pay the consequences, and I obviously sucked as a parent, otherwise I wouldn't have raised a murderer. If your kid rapes and/or murders someone, you should be ashamed, and should want them to face the consequences like you would want if another person killed him. There's this whole thing in our culture where, just because you have the biology to have a kid, means you're automatically a good parent, and just because you love them, that makes you a good parent. Sorry, but that's BS. Parenting is a job, an extremely difficult job, but a job nonetheless. Some people need to think long and hard before they have a kid. Probably is, not enough people are thinking first and planning out kids or whether or not they would even be a good parent. Not everyone is made to parent. Anyway, sorry for the O/T rant, I just hate when parents enable their kids to become (alleged) murderers.

I have seen that so many times. It is unusual for a parent to come forward and admit their son or daughter is evil.

I have to disagree that parents are always bad parents when their kids turn out rotten. I personally know of a family where the parents tried to do all the right things and their son turned into a rotten kid that got in trouble all the time. The parents were not at fault in the very least. They even called the law on him themselves a few times and tried to get him help. He finally ended up in prison for awhile. The other kids in the family turned out fine and the parents had the same approach for all the kids so there was something about that boy that just did not work right.

I dont know enough about Zachs parents to know whether they were good or bad parents or how much they tried to help him. I defiinitely did not like the one comment we saw about he was only in prison for a simple assault or something like that. That indicated she did not appreciate the gravity of what an assault really is.
They may have been horrible in this case but not all parents can be thrown in that bucket. Some really try and try and try to do all the right things and the kids just rebel no matter what.

The movie, "The Good Son" comes to mind. A bad seed like Eric Harris, Joran van der Sloot, or Adolf Hitler.

There are lot of people with horrible childhood and turn out fine.

 

[mck16]

No it doesn't matter and from an article I read HS identified ZA as the one who attempted to kidnap her.
IMO

I made that observation days ago. To me that is what carries some weight. jmo

 

[Bravo]

I apologize but I didn't make note of ZA's next Court appearance. Anyone? TIA.

 

[rob]

From my impression he heard one scream and it wasn't his wife he told. It was his mother whom he lived with.

Sadly, not everyone is tough in situations like this especially a frightened sheltered 20 year old woman.

Like in most instances, he probably threatened to kill her if she didn't comply with his demands. Unfortunately we have seen this same scenario play out many times over the years here and the victim was so scared of the suspect they did comply.

I have also been thinking about the two words that Clint said he could make out when the perp and Holly were in the garage at first.

He said all he could make out was 'no, why' but it may very well have been two statements instead of one statement altogether imo. She could have first said 'NO!" when he told her she had to come with him. At this time maybe is where he injured her to let her know he meant business. Then after saying NO! to protest leaving with him, she could have said "WHY?" as if to imply she didn't understand why ZA was doing this to her.

JMO though

Didn't they find Holly's blood in the yard? Something had to happen to cause that. Maybe she got hit in the nose or cut with a knife. That would encourage me to comply with the kidnapper.

 

[mountainguy777]

I can see the defense turning this into Clint on trial if they can.

"You thought it was drew, right?"

"You never heard any signs of distress, right?"

"You didn't chase, right?"

"You thought you saw a turkey, right?"

"You never heard a scream, did you?

On and on and on....

 

[shefner]

I can see the defense turning this into Clint on trial if they can.

"You thought it was drew, right?"

"You never heard any signs of distress, right?"

"You didn't chase, right?"

"You thought you saw a turkey, right?"

"You never heard a scream, did you?

On and on and on....

Dangerous move though...they will have to be careful not to alienate the jury. Clint is a victim.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Assuming they didn't find poor Holly's remains, I'm curious about what they did find that makes them confident they can make a murder charge stick.

I'm also plenty curious about what happened to break this open. They were obviously stuck until just recently and something changed that. The theory someone posted about JA flipping on him after finding God in jail seems like a good possibility.

If ZA was #2 on the suspect list, who in the heck was #1? Hannibal Lector? Assuming, of course that they were in order of probability.

I also wonder just how much screaming there was that morning. You would think seeing the town [link removed] standing in back of your house, for no reason at all, trying to take you into the woods would motivate you to really scream your head off and put up the fight of your life. But then I remind myself that he told one woman he would gut her so Lord knows what he told poor Holly. And she might have gone with him, hoping to buy time, the same mistake so many victims make.

Gwyn said they weren't finished, so there must be other suspects they are looking at. I wonder what final piece of evidence they need to arrest them.

My last question is this: my personal belief is that LE hold press conferences to1) let the public know they did a good job, 2) address some event that gives them no choice or 3) send a message to someone and they need the press to help deliver that message. With what Gwyn said about other people needing to take the chance to speak up, I would say his press conference was a combo of #1 and #3. I wonder who they were sending that message to.

I don't put anything into Gynn saying they aren't finished. In every criminal case the investigation is far from over and continues long after the arrest has been made. What they do at first is find something irrefutable evidence linking the suspect to the crime so that he/she can be arrested and taken off the streets. After then they continue to investigate amassing even more evidence against the defendant.

In fact in a couple cases I have actually seen the Judge allow newly discovered evidence to come into the trial. That is rare for late discovery to be allowed in but it does show LE never stops investigating. This was a year or more after the suspect had been charged and when it finally came to trial.

If this is a death penalty case, as it should be imo, the TBI/FBI will continue to investigate and shore their case up with massive evidence.

I don't think necessarily Gynn is looking for those who may have participated in the crimes themselves to speak with them. IMO, he wants those in the community who have been told something or shown something in the past by ZA or by one or more of his hanging buddies to speak up now. Gynn is aware that many in that community have been afraid to speak to them because they knew ZA was there right among them all this time. He thinks people will feel more at ease now that they know ZAs is behind bars.

JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I can see the defense turning this into Clint on trial if they can.

"You thought it was drew, right?"

"You never heard any signs of distress, right?"

"You didn't chase, right?"

"You thought you saw a turkey, right?"

"You never heard a scream, did you?

On and on and on....

Clint will do just fine. Clint is a victim in this case as well and any defense attorney that has a brain the size of a gnat knows it can backfire big time on the defense if they badger a family member of the victim. Especially one who is meek, mild, and shy, and an all around nice guy.

The defense wouldn't be able to use anything against the entire Bobo family. None of them have any criminal past and all are known as upstanding citizens in their community. Something ZA doesn't have.

Clint will answer truthfully and will be allowed to explain why he didn't do certain things and the DA isn't going to stand by and let CB be badgered either.

IMO