Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #4 ***ARRESTS***

[Tugela]

I'm not saying the cases are connected at all (they happened in different countries) but it's crazy how alike the photos are. Two young blue-eyed, blonde women wearing identical shoulder cut black tops and pearl necklaces. They even have their hair positioned the same way. I just wanted to share it because it gave me goosebumps!

Those are pretty standard yearbook photos. There are likely 100000 that look just like that.

 

[Tugela]

I totally agree with you on this. However, the wording of the document is the problem. They can wait if they want to because the document gives them the legal opportunity to do so. As it is now worded, he cannot force the prosecution to release earlier. Judge needs to reword his document. He is the one who issued it.

He doesn't have to reword the document, that is the day it has to be done by. The defence has already complained that the prosecution are not providing anything, and he has instructed the prosecution to start handing over the documentation immediately as they prepare it. That process has to be complete by the deadline, but it also has to be ongoing.

If the prosecutor ignores that he could find himself in contempt of court.

 

[Tugela]

The order says what it says. The rest is a warning shot across the bow that if you get to the last day and it's not complete, the Judge will come down on them. The reality is the prosecution is going to give it all to them piecemeal anyways so it's all kind of moot anyways. We are also only just outside of a week on one case and within the same week on the other case. Why in the world is there so much concern over the discovery?

Because it is necessary for the defence to prepare their case.

If the trial proceeded on schedule, and all the discovery was handed over at the last possible moment, then the defendant would have been denied due process as a result of there being insufficient time for the defence to properly examine the evidence and the conviction (if any) could be overturned.

A responsible judge will want to ensure that the trial is fair and provided due process so that does not happen.

 

[pearl]

My opinions only, no facts here:

OK, no more fooling around! I have attached a conjured image showing Holly walking into the woods with the main suspect, the second suspect, and the FBI suspect. The main suspect and second suspect are based upon real-world images, scaled to Holly Bobo. The FBI suspect is scaled to an American male who is not obese, 5' 11" tall and 200 pounds.

I still think that Holly's brother gave a reasonably-accurate description. I personally think that we are still looking for the unidentified man on the far left in my attached image and not the two guys on the right. I know nothing about the guilt or innocence of the main and second suspects currently under arrest. I am only talking about the guy who committed the initial kidnapping.


But, decide for yourselves.

Sleuth On!

I am a short person, 5 feet tall. I cannot accurately guestimate the height of anyone taller than me because from my perspective you just cannot tell. Anyone taller than 5 feet to me has surpassed my ability to see their height accurately or nearly accurately. All I can do is say one person was/is taller than the other. So, the person in question's height estimate doesn't concern me.

 

[Suthrnqt]

I am a short person, 5 feet tall. I cannot accurately guestimate the height of anyone taller than me because from my perspective you just cannot tell. Anyone taller than 5 feet to me has surpassed my ability to see their height accurately or nearly accurately. All I can do is say one person was/is taller than the other. So, the person in question's height estimate doesn't concern me.

At 5'4", I have the same problem. I never guess someone's height correctly. As we all know, eyewitness accounts are notoriously inaccurate.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:seeya:


Not to go off topic, but please bear with me as I will do my best to explain:

There has been much discussion about what evidence, IF any DNA evidence, etc., that LE may have in Holly's case ... and we know from LE's last presser that they have not found her body.


So in Holly's case : Would just DNA evidence be enough for a conviction, without a body and without a motive, for Holly's case?


What made me think of Holly's case was last night's episode of 48 Hours on CBS. This episode was on the murder of Julianna Redding in California back in 2008.

I knew nothing about this case, and I was shocked by the Jury's "not guilty" verdict when there was enormous amounts of the perp's DNA all over the victim's house and on the victim's body.

The defense put on a "dog and pony show" on the transfer of DNA, which the jury unfortunately bought.


Here is the link with a transcript of the show, which I found to be very interesting.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-murder-of-juliana-redding-a-hollywood-whodunit/


But back to Holly's case:

JMO and MOO but LE better have plenty of evidence in this case.

Again JMO and MOO ... but ya never know with a jury !

:twocents:

 

[OldSteve]

My opinions only, no facts here:

OK, no more fooling around! I have attached a conjured image showing Holly walking into the woods with the main suspect, the second suspect, and the FBI suspect. The main suspect and second suspect are based upon real-world images, scaled to Holly Bobo. The FBI suspect is scaled to an American male who is not obese, 5' 11" tall and 200 pounds.

I still think that Holly's brother gave a reasonably-accurate description. I personally think that we are still looking for the unidentified man on the far left in my attached image and not the two guys on the right. I know nothing about the guilt or innocence of the main and second suspects currently under arrest. I am only talking about the guy who committed the initial kidnapping.

But, decide for yourselves.

Sleuth On!

Great work, as always.
When I looked at your conjured images I thought the left-most and right-most are pretty close height-wise... true, side-to-side there's differences, but I wonder if a witness would remember that so clearly since the he would be watching them in motion, versus a still image...

 

[OldSteve]

:seeya:


Not to go off topic, but please bear with me as I will do my best to explain:

There has been much discussion about what evidence, IF any DNA evidence, etc., that LE may have in Holly's case ... and we know from LE's last presser that they have not found her body.


So in Holly's case : Would just DNA evidence be enough for a conviction, without a body and without a motive, for Holly's case?


What made me think of Holly's case was last night's episode of 48 Hours on CBS. This episode was on the murder of Julianna Redding in California back in 2008.

I knew nothing about this case, and I was shocked by the Jury's "not guilty" verdict when there was enormous amounts of the perp's DNA all over the victim's house and on the victim's body.

The defense put on a "dog and pony show" on the transfer of DNA, which the jury unfortunately bought.


Here is the link with a transcript of the show, which I found to be very interesting.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-murder-of-juliana-redding-a-hollywood-whodunit/


But back to Holly's case:

JMO and MOO but LE better have plenty of evidence in this case.

Again JMO and MOO ... but ya never know with a jury !

:twocents:

I would think they have either organ cell tissue, or enough blood evidence to show a person could not survive. I hope it does not turn out to be case based upon DNA that only shows she was present on their property, and then they are relying upon the testimony of jail-house inmates and low-life's.

 

[giagreen]

Maybe not only do they have some type of blood or DNA evidence but maybe also found other things. The clothes or something she was last seen wearing. Pictures. Maybe they video taped it.

 

[OldSteve]

Maybe not only do they have some type of blood or DNA evidence but maybe also found other things. The clothes or something she was last seen wearing. Pictures. Maybe they video taped it.

Pictures or video wouldn't surprise me, and that would be great evidence.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Maybe not only do they have some type of blood or DNA evidence but maybe also found other things. The clothes or something she was last seen wearing. Pictures. Maybe they video taped it.

I am thinking pics or video, also. It would not surprise me one iota.

Wanted to add to the height description discussion. Was Clint upstairs or downstairs when he witnessed the abduction? TIA

 

[Mr. Noatak]

I am thinking pics or video, also. It would not surprise me one iota.

Wanted to add to the height description discussion. Was Clint upstairs or downstairs when he witnessed the abduction? TIA

My opinions only, no facts here:

As near as I can tell, the Bobo home is a rancher, without a true second story.

If I were the police I would simply have asked Holly's brother: was the top of Holly's head below the suspect's shoulders, level with his shoulders, or higher than his shoulders? This simple observation distinguishes the three men in my attachment, in the earlier post, above. This is one detail that many people would remember.

Some of the comments refer to the inability to estimate the height of a person standing next to them. This is not the same as what the witness saw. He saw two people standing side by side, and knew the height of one of them. So, if I place a person near you and a measuring stick that is 5' 3" tall next to them, you will find it much easier to estimate their height.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

My opinions only, no facts here:

I am not saying that the Bobo home might not have some split-level aspects, just that even the highest windows do not appear to be very far above ground-level.

But elevation of the witness DOES matter. For example, standing on the roof, I doubt that he could observe the height differences.

But it is a moot point. The FBI was confident enough to publish a height range of only four inches for the suspect. Holly's brother must have given them a decent description.

 

[SteveS]

I am thinking pics or video, also. It would not surprise me one iota.

I think there's an incredible degree of wishful thinking in this conversation, to imagine that the police somehow stumbled into an incriminating video or pictures of some sort. I suspect whatever evidence they have will be much hazier than that, the sort of stuff where you have to cobble together 2 + 2 using this physical evidence here, that statement by a witness there, and so on to get to the conclusion that this particular suspect kidnapped and killed Holly.

 

[Suthrnqt]

I think there's an incredible degree of wishful thinking in this conversation, to imagine that the police somehow stumbled into an incriminating video or pictures of some sort. I suspect whatever evidence they have will be much hazier than that, the sort of stuff where you have to cobble together 2 + 2 using this physical evidence here, that statement by a witness there, and so on to get to the conclusion that this particular suspect kidnapped and killed Holly.

I know. I know. But if I'm gonna wish, I'm gonna go big. I want something substantial to be presented by the DA. I want BARD evidence. I don't want to see these bottom feeders get off because a lone juror can't put together 2+2=guilty. Like I said, if I'm gonna wish, I'm gonna wish BIG.

 

[Tugela]

Those are pretty standard yearbook photos. There are likely 100000 that look just like that.

In fact, here are a few more, doing a random search on Bing for a few minutes:

And another:

Note that both are wearing off the shoulder black dresses with pearls, just like the other two pictures.

Those are pretty generic picture styles, and the fact that the two Hollys wore the same outfit is coincidence, but one that is never the less pretty common.

I know this is off topic, but I thought it interesting since it demonstrates that people will find connections thinking that they are improbable, when in fact they are quite common.

 

[Tugela]

I am a short person, 5 feet tall. I cannot accurately guestimate the height of anyone taller than me because from my perspective you just cannot tell. Anyone taller than 5 feet to me has surpassed my ability to see their height accurately or nearly accurately. All I can do is say one person was/is taller than the other. So, the person in question's height estimate doesn't concern me.

What you are saying basically is that since the evidence does not match the suspect, the evidence should be ignored?

 

[Tugela]

I would think they have either organ cell tissue, or enough blood evidence to show a person could not survive. I hope it does not turn out to be case based upon DNA that only shows she was present on their property, and then they are relying upon the testimony of jail-house inmates and low-life's.

Even if DNA was found on their property, it would depend on the assumption that she did not know them and had never been there previously. You cannot be sure that is the case however, so DNA in itself would not help.

In any event, DNA is usually collected from a tissue sample, or an item known to be connected in some way. They don't just wander around swabbing random objects and hope to get lucky.

 

[~Lyric~]

I'm not where I can link to newschannel 5 out of Nashville, very new interesting developments that MAY have to do with Holly and the video supposedly made ... and one the 2 arrested and moved to a different jail.....Only wanted you all to k nm ow so you can look. The TBI will not confirm, if these 2 arrest have anything to do with Holly. They are related same last name.
Channel 5 just broadcasted at 5.

I still not figuredout how to link from my tablet...I have tried all I know .

I'm adding the last names are Pearcy. One is said to have the electronic device and such and both being in the video.

 

[~n/t~]

I'm not where I can link to newschannel 5 out of Nashville, very new interesting developments that MAY have to do with Holly and the video supposedly made ... and one the 2 arrested and moved to a different jail.....Only wanted you all to k nm ow so you can look. The TBI will not confirm, if these 2 arrest have anything to do with Holly. They are related same last name.
Channel 5 just broadcasted at 5.

I still not figuredout how to link from my tablet...I have tried all I know .

Is this it?

Authorities Not Commenting On Possible New Holly Bobo Evidence

Posted: Jun 09, 2014 6:53 PM EDT
Updated: Jun 09, 2014 7:14 PM EDT

LEXINGTON, Tenn. - Officials with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation are not commenting on the possible existence of a video that could possible be connected to the kidnapping of nursing student Holly Bobo.

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http://www.newschannel5.com/story/2...ommenting-on-possible-new-holly-bobo-evidence