How do you feel about the memorial service planned for Caylee?

[jandkmom]

Caylee may never be declared legally dead, but that doesn't mean that she isn't. I can't imagine anyone not wanting her to be alive, but there is too much evidence pointing to the fact that she is not alive.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Can CA really have LP arrested if he holds a memorial tomorrow? I heard her say that to him on the video of the confrontation today at the park.

ROFL!! Don't you just know he is "shaking" in his big boots? I can't get past that funny visual of him being afraid of CA.

I honestly think she is on a very slippery slope here with all these threats she is making and he is not one I would want for an enemy.

 

[Chezhire]

Heyah!!! Chezhire,
I'll second that. She might get herself arrested if she tries hard enough.

LOL - not that I think CA's grief is funny ('cause I don't) but the idea does make me laugh a bit - can't anyone get through to her?
If she were my relative, I'd be a headin' to the coroner's office (I think that's how you do it in FL, too) to request a medical examination (CA couldn't refuse) re: her sanity/mental status, and if she was in trouble, she'd get the medical intervention she needed (voluntarily or involuntarily, I might add.) I really think she's on the brink.

 

[Wine sleuth]

I'm going to weigh in on this: it is my opinion that although the family has a right to grieve for Caylee's demise in whatever manner they deem proper, they cannot now complain about the public wanting to grieve in the manner that it deems proper, as both GA and CA (and LE, to a lesser degree) have contributed to the publicity surrounding this case. Moreover, GA and CA have had ample time (almost 4 months since Casey was arrested, right?) to conduct a public memorial service, but they refuse to acknowledge or even speak in public about her being deceased.

GA and CA cannot control what the public now believes re: Caylee's demise and, therefore, they should have thought of this aspect of the situation BEFORE they went on national television each and every day. As a very wise professor of mine once said:
you cannot unring the bell.

But what is the rush to have a memorial for her? She can't be unkilled any more than the bell can be unrung. Let time pass so that healing can take place and then have memorials. Nothing good comes from justifying actions because someone else behaved badly.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

With all respect, no that is not true. Without remains, the state has to begin by showing evidence gathered to prove their belief that Caylee is deceased, and will then attempt to prove why, when, how, and by whom it was done.

As a capital case, all points would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, including that someone has been killed, and that the someone is Caylee.

They only have to prove her death and WHO did it.

They don't have to have a why, or when, or how............that might be some of the circumstantial evidence the use, but NONE of those have to be proved.

 

[suspicious mind]

But what is the rush to have a memorial for her? She can't be unkilled any more than the bell can be unrung. Let time pass so that healing can take place and then have memorials. Nothing good comes from justifying actions because someone else behaved badly.

Unfortunately, I don't think healing will ever take place with the A family. I think they will live in denial of Caylee's fate til their dying day.

 

[impatientredhead]

Err - none, I guess. After all, it took 31 days (if not longer) for this family to even report her missing. Unless, of course, you are like the majority, who would like to see her buried with love and dignity as soon as possible.

I would like to see her buried with love and dignity, but I think today's events and even the emotions on this thread show that LP hosting a memorial service is not going to bring about a dignified outcome. Even if you accept he has absolutely pure intentions for doing so, which many don't, but putting it as a given it will still result in a media circus/madhouse/Cindy flipout and the people who want to pay their respects feeling disrupted, distracted, etc...

Someone of a more neutral party should handle the event. Have it in a church, not at a suspected but not confirmed dumping site, and have the ability to speak well in public and say this is for Caylee, this is for the people who have been touched by her, this is an opportunity for them to express how she has touched them, say good bye if that is what they feel they need to do, for them to celebrate her life if that is what they would like to do, and for them to pray for her well being if that is what they need to do. This could be done in a beautiful gracious manner.

And with 3000 people online watching Cindy flip out, and more of us commenting on it, we should be able to arrange it instead of fighting about it.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

But what is the rush to have a memorial for her? She can't be unkilled any more than the bell can be unrung. Let time pass so that healing can take place and then have memorials. Nothing good comes from justifying actions because someone else behaved badly.

There will NEVER be enough time for them.

It is not denial or grief in my opinion, but something MUCH MORE SINISTER.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh you think? I have a slight incling that there may be some reasonable doubt brought up that she is deceased at all !

Not that anyone who is "reasonable" or intelligent will believe!! Sure...your defense team will try to sprinkle BS all over...but the stench of her rotting corpse in the trunk of Casey's car will overpower the smell of their BS! It is NOT reasonable to believe that Caylee is alive anymore that it is reasonable to believe the moon is made of cheese. There is conclusive proof of both. The moon is not cheese and Caylee was in the car rotting.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

But what is the rush to have a memorial for her? She can't be unkilled any more than the bell can be unrung. Let time pass so that healing can take place and then have memorials. Nothing good comes from justifying actions because someone else behaved badly.

It doesn't really matter what any of us decide or agree or disagree with on here, LP can do what he wants as far as a memorial for Caylee and when the date of his comes out, another will follow or occur simultaneously, possibly in NY, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia...you all know how the pink balloon thing went so, regardless what the family wants, the public will have their memorials for Caylee, as they should. IMHO.

 

[Chezhire]

But what is the rush to have a memorial for her? She can't be unkilled any more than the bell can be unrung. Let time pass so that healing can take place and then have memorials. Nothing good comes from justifying actions because someone else behaved badly.

:waitasec: Rush? I really don't see this as rushed. Wasn't Casey arrested in July and weren't many people already speculating and wringing their hands over her demise? I know I was, so I don't really see it as "jsutifying actions." If I lived in the Orlando area, I'd be attending (and no, it wouldn't be out of my curiosity.) More importantly, this isn't about the family being able to heal, it's about the public who has grown to love this little - the family will do its own healing on its own time and in its own way. If they ever acknowledge her death and decide to hold another one, I'd imagine that they'd recieve a lot of public support. I'd go to another one, just to show support for the family that finally came to terms with Caylee's death.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

But what is the rush to have a memorial for her? She can't be unkilled any more than the bell can be unrung. Let time pass so that healing can take place and then have memorials. Nothing good comes from justifying actions because someone else behaved badly.

To what extent should somebody have to justify a memorial service. No one is forced to watch, listen, or attend. Far more heinous things will happen in Orlando tomorrow.

The service, I believe, would fall into the list of things that are a part of healing...

They aren't burning a likeness of Casey. They are having something in honor of an alleged victim. It seems to carry built in justification.

It's not like the service is a first degree felony unless justified.

jmho

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Steve Fossett was declared dead before his body was found because of two things:

1. He dissappeared under imminent danger
2. A family member filed a request that the courts do so.

I cannot find a single case where a death certificate has just been issued by the court without a family request to do so. Nina Reiser, family requested it after the criminal trial and before the wrongful death case. All of the other adults I can find it was requested by the next of kin for either insurance, termination of marital status etc... In cases of a child the request was filed by the other parent and frequently before a wrongful death suit, or for insurance reasons etc...

Logan Tucker for instance, I cannot find a death certificate for. Killed by his mother, no body found. And apparantly no financial reason for the family to need the cert. Maybe someone else will have better luck than I did finding a case where the state issued one without request.

In Caylee's case George, Cindy and Lee are not going to request that she be declared dead. And despite all the coverage no man who was sleeping with Casey in that time window has stepped up and said anything, so I don't think dad is going to magically appear.

When Casey is CONVICTED of her murder...the A fam will rush right out and get a death certificate...especially if they have carried a life insurance policy on her!!

 

[LiveLoveLaughLiza]

So this is about money?

The way I see it, yeah.

LP spends it to find Caylee and the A's use Caylee to make it.

Moo

 

[SuziQ]

The BONES>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't keep collecting money for "finding Caylee" if you admit she is dead. In my opinion this is NOT DENIAL but GREED.

Sure makes me wonder why the Kidfinders (blueshirt guy) is so upset and intent making the "A's" believe Caylee is alive?

 

[CaliMama]

It is a public park, and he can do anything he wants. They legally have NO say because they are NOT Caylee's guardians or parent. What everyone forgets here is they have NO POWER in anything about Caylee. That is why they could not stop TES like they tried.

There will be a LOT of people to arrest..........

Where I live, if you have a gathering of 10 or more people in a public park, you must obtain a permit and/or permission to be allowed to hold this gathering...even if it is just a birthday party. Just because it is a public park, does not mean that anyone can do whatever they feel like doing, whenever they feel like doing it...and yes you can be arrested for holding a gathering that is considered a nuisance or peace disturbance.

 

[jandkmom]

Would I personally plan a memorial for Caylee, not yet, but not because I believe she could still be alive, I would just wait until the trial is over. Whatever ceremony happens tomorrow should have no affect on what the A's do for their family memorial if they choose to have one later.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

To what extent should somebody have to justify a memorial service. No one is forced to watch, listen, or attend. Far more heinous things will happen in Orlando tomorrow.

The service, I believe, would fall into the list of things that are a part of healing...

They aren't burning a likeness of Casey. They are having something in honor of an alleged victim. It seems to carry built in justification.

It's not like the service is a first degree felony unless justified.

jmho

Bold and red is mine...What event is this happening..cause I really want to RSVP to it:crazy:

 

[suspicious mind]

Does anybody know what time this is supposed to happen tomorrow?

 

[Chezhire]

Steve Fossett was declared dead before his body was found because of two things:

1. He dissappeared under imminent danger
2. A family member filed a request that the courts do so.

I cannot find a single case where a death certificate has just been issued by the court without a family request to do so. Nina Reiser, family requested it after the criminal trial and before the wrongful death case. All of the other adults I can find it was requested by the next of kin for either insurance, termination of marital status etc... In cases of a child the request was filed by the other parent and frequently before a wrongful death suit, or for insurance reasons etc...

Logan Tucker for instance, I cannot find a death certificate for. Killed by his mother, no body found. And apparantly no financial reason for the family to need the cert. Maybe someone else will have better luck than I did finding a case where the state issued one without request.

In Caylee's case George, Cindy and Lee are not going to request that she be declared dead. And despite all the coverage no man who was sleeping with Casey in that time window has stepped up and said anything, so I don't think dad is going to magically appear.

As you mention, if there's no reason for obtaining a death certificate, most people don't bother. I cannot imagine that the death of a 2 1/5 year old, who cannot procreate and leave children for inheiritance purposes, and whose life would not likely be insured to provide replacement income to her family should she die, because what 2 1/5 year old works, so I wouldn't expect you would find many published cases where the missing child was declared dead via a death certificate. FOr those cases you do find, it's more about teh emotional closure of the families left behind to grieve: everyone does so in their own way and for some, a piece of paper can make it final and, therefore, allow them to move forward with their grieving. Just a sayin..