HOW does the State Prove it was not George?

[katydid23]

Exactly! Evil Kenevil couldn't make that leap.

TRUE. But Jose fancies himself a hispanic Evil Kneivel. I think they are going to make a huge leap. Casey will GO FOR IT. Her dad abused her and then went after Caylee. She threatened to turn him in, and he drowned the child, called casey outside and said,' SEE what happens when you defy me!'

So she ran and tried to live in denial because she was so fragile. And she will describe in excrutiating detail her childhood abuse memories.

 

[Nali87]

I don't know if they have. I know they have proven that Caylee was decomposing in her trunk. But they have not totally proven that she was the one who put her there. Obviously I believe she did, but Does the jury have all of the same info I have had?

I really believe that the DT is going to put on a very aggressive and shocking Case in Chief, which may include Casey describing specific incidents of sexual abuse from her childhood. She is a very accomplished liar.

And there is a lot of dirt on George still ready to be revealed. I predict that there will be some big blows to the states case at some point. I am concerned about it.

In february I posted this theory on the Defense Strategy Thread and people laughed at me. LOL And here we are now. I knew it because he is the only possible patsy.

I think by now the jury knows that Casey's one true talent is to lie and to lie well under pressure. Her interrogation tapes (confronted by two in-her-face policemen) and jailtapes definitely prove that she could lie her way out of anything. The fact that the jury knows that she's a very accomplished liar, makes them, in my opinion, less likely to believe anything that she will say. It's basically the "Boy who cried Wolf" syndrome. The only one that could testify about any abuse without it being hearsey is Casey. And by now, I think the jury knows, Casey lies.

 

[chicklet]

They needed to prove that the victim is dead, that it was because of a crime and that Casey committed that crime. That crime can be aggravated child abuse. In my opinion, they tied most of the evidence (the car, the chloroform searches, the bag, the ducttape, the way the body was disposed of, etc) to Casey. The fact that she is liar, makes me believe that everything that comes out of her mouth, including her defense, is a lie. Add Zanny the imaginary Nanny, her behaviour during those 31 days and the defense silly a "a cop thought it would be better to throw a body in the woods and risk being accused of murder/manslaughter than to report a tragic accident" and to me, that proves murder.

They didn't prove it was a CAPITAL crime, though. This is a capital murder case and the state could not and did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee was murdered...meaning that someone intentionally, knowingly and purposely killed her. On top of that...the animated skull with Caylee's face and duct tape superimposed had KC's smiling face in it. That is, without any doubt at all, prejudicial and unnecessary. The state should have cropped KC out of that photo. That single thing warrants a reversal and almost guarantees it. Even if they do find her guilty it is going to be overturned because of that animation.

 

[katydid23]

George covering up this murder simply defies logic. WHY on earth would he do that? He had nothing to gain! IF he had been involved at all, he would have called 911 and given Caylee a respectful funeral. Why would he have thrown Caylee in the woods? Cindy would have murdered him when she found out and he knew it. If there is one true-ism in this whole case, it was that George didn't want to get Cindy all stirred up and going off on him. He could have GUARANTEED that if he had discarded her beloved granddaughter as trash he would have been chewed up and spit out right beside her. NO WAY would George have been involved in a cover-up - not for Casey, not for anybody.

I agree obviously, because we are rational, logical beings. But the DT will dirty up George so badly that we will see him as an evil, twisted pedophile, who created the sick persona of Casey because he was so abusive.

And they will say that his evil knows no bounds, and so Casey has been hiding in jail for protection until she could safely share her story.imoo

 

[cecybeans]

Well if GA allegedly put Caylee's body in the trunk before he went to work on June 16th (and I doubt the DT will be able to argue away all the decomp evidence in the car so they have to place Caylee's body there at some point), and ICA just mindlessly rode around in it for a few days, then exactly when did GA get the body back to bag it and hand it over to RK? KC's friends have indicated they rode in her car during this time, early on, before it was picked up, so it was in her possession. She texts Amy about the "squirrel" smell. I should think her cellphone pings would indicate she was driving around in her own car during the day (with the exception of after it was picked up and she used AL's during his New York trip). All the trips she made back to the Anthony house during this time were done when nobody was home (GA and CA at work). So exactly when and where did GA get the body back? There is too much car evidence for the DT to say GA took the body right away. So exactly when and where would he have gotten possession of a dead Caylee from June 16th until June 30? Are they going to say GA saw the abandoned car at Amscot and took her out of the car in the middle of a public parking lot (good luck with that, if her body was still in the car by that time it would have been very messy and difficult to deal with)? Are they going to say she threw not only the "*ing gas cans" at her dad on June 24th but also the laundry bag with Caylee in it? The timeline on the body transfer - and there had to have been one given the car decomp - requires alien abduction to make any sense at all. Never mind all the other stuff that ties the body to her mother and her mother alone.

 

[katydid23]

Let's say what JB alleged was true. Caylee died accidently and George demanded it be covered up. What is the motive for that? How does one get from the leap that he abused KC to he hid the body? Why would it be assumed that KC would tell on George even if he did molest her? She would call 911 and say her child drowned, oh and by the way, my father molested me when I was a child. If she didn't tell anyone all those years why was George supposed to think that this would cause her to spill the beans now? One doesn't have anything to do with the other, does it?

That is exactly why the DT will fine tune their story a bit. We have seen already that they have been leaving little clues implying George was framing Casey.

WHY would he do that if he was truly covering for her? I think they are planning another bombshell, blindsiding opening for their Case In Chief. And they are going to get ugly with George. It was NOT an accident at all, and George was in charge of the whole evil event. And he was blaming it all on poor little Casey.And she has been sitting in 'protection' and not prison all of this time.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I agree obviously, because we are rational, logical beings. But the DT will dirty up George so badly that we will see him as an evil, twisted pedophile, who created the sick persona of Casey because he was so abusive.

And they will say that his evil knows no bounds, and so Casey has been hiding in jail for protection until she could safely share her story.imoo

What the defense says and what they prove are two different things. How do you think the defense will present the dirty George information to the jury? Who will testify to these things?

 

[Shadow5618]

I agree obviously, because we are rational, logical beings. But the DT will dirty up George so badly that we will see him as an evil, twisted pedophile, who created the sick persona of Casey because he was so abusive.

And they will say that his evil knows no bounds, and so Casey has been hiding in jail for protection until she could safely share her story.imoo

I don't have any doubt that Jose will try to do just exactly this. However, unless JB turns into an Atticus Finch overnight, we will see him continue to put his foot in his mouth until the jurors are ready to scream. I don't think he will be able to convince 12 rational people that the sky is blue. Indeed, it will probably be painful watching him try if his past performance is any indication. He'll probably ask himself for a mistrial. :maddening:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

True, but I am beginning to think they are going to go more with George being a pedophile who accidentally killed Caylee. imoo

IMO that would work only if they found that type of on the computer or in their home. Wouldn't he already be arrested if LE did find child linked to him?

 

[katydid23]

Well if GA allegedly put Caylee's body in the trunk before he went to work on June 16th (and I doubt the DT will be able to argue away all the decomp evidence in the car so they have to place Caylee's body there at some point), and ICA just mindlessly rode around in it for a few days, then exactly when did GA get the body back to bag it and hand it over to RK? KC's friends have indicated they rode in her car during this time, early on, before it was picked up, so it was in her possession. She texts Amy about the "squirrel" smell. I should think her cellphone pings would indicate she was driving around in her own car during the day (with the exception of after it was picked up and she used AL's during his New York trip). All the trips she made back to the Anthony house during this time were done when nobody was home (GA and CA at work). So exactly when and where did GA get the body back? There is too much car evidence for the DT to say GA took the body right away. So exactly when and where would he have gotten possession of a dead Caylee from June 16th until June 30? Are they going to say GA saw the abandoned car at Amscot and took her out of the car in the middle of a public parking lot (good luck with that, if her body was still in the car by that time it would have been very messy and difficult to deal with)? Are they going to say she threw not only the "*ing gas cans" at her dad on June 24th but also the laundry bag with Caylee in it? The timeline on the body transfer - and there had to have been one given the car decomp - requires alien abduction to make any sense at all. Never mind all the other stuff that ties the body to her mother and her mother alone.

They are going to say that Casey said those things about the smell in the car truthfully. Remember she said at one point, MY DAD HIT A DEAD ANIMAL I THINK WHEN HE HAD MY CAR. And she told Tony that she had called and asked her dad to pick up the car at Amscott. So that looks bad fpr George right there. And all he had to do was leave decomp fluids in the trunk, not the whole body all that time.

And Casey was coming and going from that house all of the time. So that gives him means and opportunity to move the body in and out.

Obviously I do not believe it, but they might easily create reasonable doubt with it. imoo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I've considered that too. ANd chloroform plays nicely into that theory, doesn't it?

So will the DT be showing Home Depot videos of GA walking out with ingredients to make chloroform?
Wow, that would be something.

 

[katydid23]

The state does not have to prove it was not George. George is not on trial. All the state has to prove is that it was Casey. IMO, they have done that.

However the DT is going to put George on trial starting Thursday. And every damning thing that points to Casey is going to be pointed to George as well.
And that is going to create a huge amount of reasonable doubt UNLESS they can prove he was NOT the guilty party. imoo

 

[Ssejors]

I cant Believe that a pathological Liar, who had EQUAL access to the car, the tape, the bags, the laundry bags, and Caylee, over GA who I cant see would have motive.

If the defense is suggesting that it was an accident, it would be insanity to cover it up and hope that the NANNY story and kidnapping would be LESS intrusive, less media coverage,and less involvement by the LEO, than just calling 911 and reporting an accident. UNLESS there would have been EVIDENCE on CAYLEE'S body that would have Ruined George for ever and the body and the evidence HAD to disappear. The only thing I could think of more incriminating would be obvious sexual abuse. But then, here we are again, GA risking losing his only daughter to the Death Penalty to avoid being a child molester? Highly unlikely. Then again, i'm not a child molester so i dont know what they would do to cover their butts. And if GA WAS the one to cover up an accidental drowning, to AVOID anyone seeing that he was molesting CAYLEE, then he is the stupidest dang cop there ever was. It would be as though he went out of his way to USE everything he could find from the house! I mean, she didnt HAVE to be bagged and duct taped! Just dispose of the body in a more remote location. All that extra effort was ICA's doing. I really truly think she bagged her and was intending to move her after she got her car filled up with gas. Why else would she hide her so close to home and so close to the road. There is no way she would have gone unnoticed in that little green space forever. And GA would be STUPID as an ex cop to think that was SUFFICIENT! HE would have done a FAR better Cover up of this tragic mess.

 

[Tuffy]

I do not think they have proven it was in her possession totally. I think the DT will have some startling evidence which may make the jury wonder.

BBM: Where is the doubt that Casey had possession of the car? Casey drove that car everywhere. I think there are plenty of witnesses, and cell phone pings to back up Casey being in possession of the car.

There is also that tiny isssue (oopsy) of Cindy calling 911 saying that Casey had stolen there car, and had been gone for 31 days.

 

[Bittiness39]

I don't see Casey taking the stand. I think that they will call George and berate and batter him on the stand, same with Lee and probably a little with Cindy. Then they will put on a few "experts" who will explain in pyscho-babble how all of what ICA has done all makes sense because of abuse. Then the jury will be on the edge of their seats waiting to hear from ICA. But they won't. CM even got into an argument about how the DT is not going to be putting on much if any evidence. To which HHJP responded that JB has been telling HHJP the opposite so maybe HHJP shouldn't believe anything that comes out of the DT's mouth. There are articles about it in today's news thread.

And if Caylee drowned on the 16th and ICA knew it and JB knew it what in the heck were both of them doing wearing find Caylee buttons in October after she was indicted?

I think that the DT will offer VERY little proof and will focus on attacking people on the stand. We won't see Casey, unless the DT has totally lost what little is left of their minds...

 

[katydid23]

There has not been any testimony to implicate George in any wrongdoing. Baez's opening is not to be considered testimony by the jury. Unless Casey testifies, George is a non-issue.

Right. But they will probably put her up there to say all of this stuff, imo.

They are in desperation mode.

 

[Chilly Willy]

BBM: Where is the doubt that Casey had possession of the car? Casey drove that car everywhere. I think there are plenty of witnesses, and cell phone pings to back up Casey being in possession of the car.

There is also that tiny isssue (oopsy) of Cindy calling 911 saying that Casey had stolen there car, and had been gone for 31 days.

Right, and then there are Casey's claims that she was out of town with her car then entire time. There is no one to testify differently. The defense can speculate that someone else may have had access to the car during that time but the jury is not allowed to consider speculation as evidence.

 

[chicklet]

So will the DT be showing Home Depot videos of GA walking out with ingredients to make chloroform?
Wow, that would be something.

chloroform is used to turn opiates like Oxycontin (mixed with other substances) into heroin that can be injected. I think the chloroform is drug related and has nothing to do with Caylee's death.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I do not think they have proven it was in her possession totally. I think the DT will have some startling evidence which may make the jury wonder.

Evidence from who? Casey?? And we are to trust Casey's word because??

The State's job is to prosecute Casey... not show George's innocence. It is the Defense's theory that George did all of this... it is up to the defense to prove it. Not the State. This is the defense theory. The State already laid out their evidence.

Caylee died on June 16th, 2008. Casey was present at the time of death. Caylee's decomposing body was in Casey's trunk from 3-5 days. Caylee's remains were out on Suburban Drive for a substancial amount of time... leaving it nearly impossible for Roy Kronk to have placed them there on December 11th, 2008... unless he is some kind of forensic mastermind that could make it appear Caylee had been out there since June/July. The State has proven that Casey has done nothing but lie since Caylee's death on June 16th, 2008. That she made no attempt, even when given ample opportunity to tell the truth... if it really were an accident. Even when presented with the accident theory... Casey is annoyed and says "surprise, surprise." Completely dismissing that Caylee died in the pool.

Casey's true colors presented herself in these videos and the phone call to the Anthony home. Anything that would remotely show that George was involved in any kind of coverup was dismissed during these videos. Until the defense laid out their theory... I didn't think the jail visitations were that important... now they work against Casey in the worst way.

The State will come back and refute everything the defense comes up with.

But again, it is the defenses job to prove that George was involved... not the State's job to prove that he wasn't involved.

 

[katydid23]

IMO that would work only if they found that type of on the computer or in their home. Wouldn't he already be arrested if LE did find child linked to him?

No child , as far as I know. Just lots of time accessing Escort Services. But being ex-LE they may say he knew better than have anything like that on the computer.