How much does Jeremy know?

[norest4thewicked]

BBM

How do you know he "threw her out"? Where is this even coming from? As far as sustaining the relationship, RR HAD supervised visitation. If she chose not to visit her son, how is that JI's fault?

By the same token, how do you know that she chose not to see her son? Do you know all the specifics of the case?

 

[cityslick]

Yes. .. he threw his son's mother out. She was broke and indigent and that didn't seem to bother him. He didn't seem to have any interest in sustaining the relationship between his son and his mother. . if for no other reason than for his son's own good. He did the same with his own parents. They apparently wanted a relationship with their grandson, but JI was denying them that, evidenced by the court records where the Irwins were suing him for visitation. I guess JI wasn't keeping his son from them for some legitimate reason like they are abusive, because as soon as this story broke, JI dropped the case with his parents. So why were they having to sue in court just to see their grandson? I think JI has control issues. Why would somebody prevent other loving adults from seeing their child? Does JI do what is in the best interest of his child, or what is in the best interest of JI? MOO. . .JI is about JI and that includes his relationship with DB. He's not valiantly standing by his woman. . .he's doing what is in his best interest. .just as he has a history of doing.

MOO. . #4!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you have proof of any of that, that he threw her out?

 

[hambirg]

Maybe DB has control issues? Perhaps they don't approve of him living with a married woman and she knowing this says me or your family.

But ultimately who JI's son sees or doesn't see is up to JI. Even if his parents didn't approve of his relationship with DB what does that have to do with them seeing their grandson from a different relationship? DB isn't his mom, she isn't JI's wife or the boy's step-mom. Why should that interfere with the relationship between grandparents and a grandson that they obviously love and what to see?

 

[melissasmom]

By the same token, how do you know that she chose not to see her son? Do you know all the specifics of the case?

What I do know is RR had visitation granted by the court. SHE DID NOT VISIT. Was she in the hospital all those years? Across the country? Incapacitated in some form or fashion?

 

[hambirg]

Do you have proof of any of that, that he threw her out?

Well, she went from his house to a group home. Did she have a reason from going from a house where she was taken care of to basically being a ward of the state? Maybe JI was abusive and she did leave on her own. But I haven't seen any evidence of that. Most people don't choose to be homeless without a good reason.

MOO

 

[norest4thewicked]

What I do know is RR had visitation granted by the court. SHE DID NOT VISIT. Was she in the hospital all those years? Across the country? Incapacitated in some form or fashion?

Do you have a link that says she never visited, besides other people's opinions? What if JI prevented her from visiting her son? What if was the reason?

 

[redheadedgal]

omg-- did no one else catch this?!

MK: “Some folks are going to have an issue with you having more than five drinks while you’re looking after a baby and two little boys.

DB: “Oh, I’m sure they are…She was sleeping. You know, I don’t see the problem in me having my grown up time. I take good care of my kids. I keep my house clean. I do their laundry. I kiss their boo-boos. I, I fix them food. I am involved in their school stuff. I mean, to me, there’s nothing wrong with me doing what I want to do, after dark. As soon as I’m done drinking, I go right to bed.”

MK: “Is that what happened [inaudible]?”

DB: “Right. Which is why I don’t do it till my kids are in bed.”


um, weren't the two boys watching tv til she went to bed? where's that timeline?? :waitasec:

 

[highflyer]

But ultimately who JI's son sees or doesn't see is up to JI. Even if his parents didn't approve of his relationship with DB what does that have to do with them seeing their grandson from a different relationship? DB isn't his mom, she isn't JI's wife or the boy's step-mom. Why should that interfere with the relationship between grandparents and a grandson that they obviously love and what to see?

Again, it is a possibility that JI's parents being unhappy with him living and having a daughter with a married woman made life miserable for him and DB said choose between them and me. They end up with no son, no grandson, no granddaughter.

 

[melissasmom]

Well, she went from his house to a group home. Did she have a reason from going from a house where she was taken care of to basically being a ward of the state? Maybe JI was abusive and she did leave on her own. But I haven't seen any evidence of that. Most people don't choose to be homeless without a good reason.

MOO

If she was in a group home, then maybe she has some issues of her own. Maybe she was a drug addict, alcoholic, has mental problems. WE don't know. Maybe she chose to split with Jeremy, and had no where else to go. If someone wants to leave a relationship, they are going to go, sometimes whether or not they have somewhere "comfortable" to go to when they leave.

I just don't see why it is automatically assumed that because she went to a group home it is because Jeremy kicked her out. Other then someones preconcevied notions, which obviously are biased AGAINST Jeremy.

I don't know RR. When I say that she had visitation but didn't use it, I am just stating a fact. I don't know WHY she didn't. Maybe she has issues to where she felt it best that her son didn't see her. Or maybe she is just a crappy mom. I have no idea. Not going to make assumptions on it or even try to guess.

 

[norest4thewicked]

omg-- did no one else catch this?!

MK: “Some folks are going to have an issue with you having more than five drinks while you’re looking after a baby and two little boys.

DB: “Oh, I’m sure they are…She was sleeping. You know, I don’t see the problem in me having my grown up time. I take good care of my kids. I keep my house clean. I do their laundry. I kiss their boo-boos. I, I fix them food. I am involved in their school stuff. I mean, to me, there’s nothing wrong with me doing what I want to do, after dark. As soon as I’m done drinking, I go right to bed.”

MK: “Is that what happened [inaudible]?”

DB: “Right. Which is why I don’t do it till my kids are in bed.”


um, weren't the two boys watching tv til she went to bed? where's that timeline?? :waitasec:

Yep...that's only one of her MANY inconsistencies and lies. She's innocent? Uhhhh...riiiiiiiiight....:what:

 

[melissasmom]

Do you have a link that says she never visited, besides other people's opinions? What if JI prevented her from visiting her son? What if was the reason?

Here is a link where she states she has not seen her son in years.

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/local_news/mother-of-one-of-lisa-irwins-half-brothers-speaks-out

 

[norest4thewicked]

If she was in a group home, then maybe she has some issues of her own. Maybe she was a drug addict, alcoholic, has mental problems. WE don't know. Maybe she chose to split with Jeremy, and had no where else to go. If someone wants to leave a relationship, they are going to go, sometimes whether or not they have somewhere "comfortable" to go to when they leave.

I just don't see why it is automatically assumed that because she went to a group home it is because Jeremy kicked her out. Other then someones preconcevied notions, which obviously are biased AGAINST Jeremy.

I don't know RR. When I say that she had visitation but didn't use it, I am just stating a fact. I don't know WHY she didn't. Maybe she has issues to where she felt it best that her son didn't see her. Or maybe she is just a crappy mom. I have no idea. Not going to make assumptions on it or even try to guess.

BBM #1 So what if she was? How is that worse than DB?

BBM #2 I will ask again, where is your fact on this?

BBM #3 I find it interesting that this post states that maybe she is a crappy mom, but it wasn't HER child that is missing.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Here is a link where she states she has not seen her son in years.

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/local_news/mother-of-one-of-lisa-irwins-half-brothers-speaks-out

In this link she doesn't state WHY she hasn't seen him though. Why do you assume it was her fault and not something that JI did?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Here is a link where she states she has not seen her son in years.

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/local_news/mother-of-one-of-lisa-irwins-half-brothers-speaks-out

I haven't made myself clear. I know that she said she hasn't seen him in years, but I can't see where this means it was HER choice or decision.

 

[melissasmom]

I haven't made myself clear. I know that she said she hasn't seen him in years, but I can't see where this means it was HER choice or decision.

And where in this link does it say it WAS NOT her decision? It says she has not been able to see her son. It DOES NOT say "Jeremy prevented me from seeing my son."

 

[melissasmom]

In this link she doesn't state WHY she hasn't seen him though. Why do you assume it was her fault and not something that JI did?

Why do you assume it was Jeremy's fault?

 

[melissasmom]

BBM #1 So what if she was? How is that worse than DB?

BBM #2 I will ask again, where is your fact on this?

BBM #3 I find it interesting that this post states that maybe she is a crappy mom, but it wasn't HER child that is missing.

Her child was not living with her, so that is not relevant to anything.

ETA: You apparently didn't read my whole post. I said I have no idea why she didn't see her son. I never said she was "worse" than DB, or better.

 

[cityslick]

In this link she doesn't state WHY she hasn't seen him though. Why do you assume it was her fault and not something that JI did?

She had legal right to. Why didn't she exercise it?

 

[norest4thewicked]

There is no proof on either side to say that it was RR's fault that she didn't see her son or that it was JI's fault. So, this conversation isn't really going anywhere. Also, it is O/T. How much did Jeremy know?

 

[norest4thewicked]

When I first heard about this case from the morning it happened, I at first thought that an intruder had taken Lisa.

As the first couple of weeks wore on and the parents stopped cooperating with LE, the lies became obvious, and there was absolutely no sign of an intruder, I began to believe that DB had killed and disposed of Lisa. After all, statistics show that it is almost always the parents. I still believed that Jeremy was innocent of knowing anything.

Then came more information and I began to believe that JI was also involved. Almost everyone here knows my theory, so I won't bother with it again. But, I now believe that Jeremy knows every bit as much as DB does. I will be very surprised if we find that he is completely in the dark.