Hulk Hogan's son seriously injured another boy in car wreck

[feddup]

30 mph my butt. :slap:
Did the Boleas forget that the day after the accident a cop told a reporter that he was behind Nick and saw the entire accident? It wasn't just the cop who said Nick was speeding/racing either....there was at least one other witness.

yes, hopefully they wont get away with it. There were quite alot of eye witnesses, Court St is a VERY busy street, I dont believe for a minute he ws only going 30mph, the car was spinning around and ended up backwards hitting the palm tree, that doesnt happen if youre only going 30mph.
He will be tried as an adult though, thats good. He 17 but looks older, he knew better and should pay fr it. Community service, etc. Whats a fine to them? theye very wealthy oh BTW, the one friend was driving Hulks Viper, I am not sure if thats same one he had been racing. But going 60MPH down court St was very dangerous for other people, its amazing others werent hurt besides just John.
I hope they also pull his drivers license, he needs some punishment, he didnt get it before thats why hes in such a mess now.
The lawyers he has must think we are DUMB. I saw them on TV last night.
err yea lawyers and how are you going to explain this crash PLUS he had been drinking.....underage drinking.
I am really shocked at the parents for trying to say John wouldve been OK if he had his seatbelt on, their kid had his on and it saved his life bla bla bla
He still shouldnt have been drinking and speeding.

 

[calidreamin]

yes, hopefully they wont get away with it. There were quite alot of eye witnesses, Court St is a VERY busy street, I dont believe for a minute he ws only going 30mph, the car was spinning around and ended up backwards hitting the palm tree, that doesnt happen if youre only going 30mph.
He will be tried as an adult though, thats good. He 17 but looks older, he knew better and should pay fr it. Community service, etc. Whats a fine to them? theye very wealthy oh BTW, the one friend was driving Hulks Viper, I am not sure if thats same one he had been racing. But going 60MPH down court St was very dangerous for other people, its amazing others werent hurt besides just John.
I hope they also pull his drivers license, he needs some punishment, he didnt get it before thats why hes in such a mess now.
The lawyers he has must think we are DUMB. I saw them on TV last night.
err yea lawyers and how are you going to explain this crash PLUS he had been drinking.....underage drinking.
I am really shocked at the parents for trying to say John wouldve been OK if he had his seatbelt on, their kid had his on and it saved his life bla bla bla
He still shouldnt have been drinking and speeding.

I so agree with everything you have said. The Bolleas should not be going on about the seatbelts. Their son was the driver of the car and it was his personal responibility to drive the car safely. That means no drinking, no speeding and no racing! I also don't care who bought the alcohol either, he was the driver and was responible not to be drinking and driving.

 

[Paladin]

Playing devil's advocate here, but do you guys really expect the Bollea's to roll over and not defend their child? For all of you people calling them bad parents, you're conveniently ignoring the fact they're pulling out all the stops to protect their kid from this. That's what good parents do.

And just to head some of you off at the pass, I don't think it's good parenting to let a child "get what he deserves" or "get what's coming to him", even if what he did was wrong. Hell, if it were my kid and I knew he did something stupid I'd still be fighting to keep him from being someone's prison . Sorry.

 

[IdahoMom]

Playing devil's advocate here, but do you guys really expect the Bollea's to roll over and not defend their child? For all of you people calling them bad parents, you're conveniently ignoring the fact they're pulling out all the stops to protect their kid from this. That's what good parents do.

And just to head some of you off at the pass, I don't think it's good parenting to let a child "get what he deserves" or "get what's coming to him", even if what he did was wrong. Hell, if it were my kid and I knew he did something stupid I'd still be fighting to keep him from being someone's prison . Sorry.

I agree, Paladin. I think we'd have to be living in their skin to even begin to "get" where they're coming from right now.

I'm not excusing the Hogans, it's just a little bit different when you're inside the firestorm than when you're outside it as we all are.

 

[indallas2]

The Boleas were o 11PM News tonight. They claim Nick was not speeding during the crash, said he was only going 30 plus repeated the fact that John didnt wear his seatbelt....seatbelt saved their sons life bla bla bla
They claim they had their own investigators at crash scene....the Clearwater Police said he was going over 60mpg, the spin to make their kid look like little angel has begun. Oh ya, Nick was going 80MPH and was pulled over just 16 days before accident! I bet they are sorry they didnt yank the keys from this kid. looks like there will be a lawsuit, both parents of John have attorneys now.
Its hard to believe he was going only 30MPH when this crash happened.

No way he was only going 30 - I saw how crunched up that car was - he HAD TO BE SPEEDING - no doubt in my mind.

 

[feddup]

Playing devil's advocate here, but do you guys really expect the Bollea's to roll over and not defend their child? For all of you people calling them bad parents, you're conveniently ignoring the fact they're pulling out all the stops to protect their kid from this. That's what good parents do.

And just to head some of you off at the pass, I don't think it's good parenting to let a child "get what he deserves" or "get what's coming to him", even if what he did was wrong. Hell, if it were my kid and I knew he did something stupid I'd still be fighting to keep him from being someone's prison . Sorry.

I do, they need to learn to take the consequences. Thats the kids problem in the first place,,,a couple of weeks before this happened, he was stopped going 80 mph and obviously parents didnt do much about it and NOW hes in this mess and his friend is in an even BIGGER mess and probably wont recover.
In stead of the boleas going around giving lectures about the importance of wearing seat belts they should make Jr go around and give lectures on NOT speeding. To blame the victim the way they did last night, Im off of these people. They will buy his way out of this, so dont worry about him being someones "prison b*tch".
I cant imagine how insulted the victim, Johns Mother, must feel that they blamed her son.
BTW, he was out of the jail in ONE hour. Now if that was our kids, we wouldnt have gotten out of there in less than at least 3. hmmmm Money talks, eh? And I doubt if he will spend ANY prison time over this.
Once hes given the get go to drive again, I sure hope I dont encounter HIM on the roads here....believe me, our traffic here is enough of a nightmare without kids like him.
*if this WERE an innocent no fault acident, I wouldnt feel this way but it wasnt, the kid should be held responsible for his BAD actions that day.

 

[Paladin]

I do, they need to learn to take the consequences. Thats the kids problem in the first place,,,a couple of weeks before this happened, he was stopped going 80 mph and obviously parents didnt do much about it and NOW hes in this mess and his friend is in an even BIGGER mess and probably wont recover.
In stead of the boleas going around giving lectures about the importance of wearing seat belts they should make Jr go around and give lectures on NOT speeding. To blame the victim the way they did last night, Im off of these people. They will buy his way out of this, so dont worry about him being someones "prison b*tch".
I cant imagine how insulted the victim, Johns Mother, must feel that they blamed her son.
BTW, he was out of the jail in ONE hour. Now if that was our kids, we wouldnt have gotten out of there in less than at least 3. hmmmm Money talks, eh? And I doubt if he will spend ANY prison time over this.
Once hes given the get go to drive again, I sure hope I dont encounter HIM on the roads here....believe me, our traffic here is enough of a nightmare without kids like him.
*if this WERE an innocent no fault acident, I wouldnt feel this way but it wasnt, the kid should be held responsible for his BAD actions that day.

Oh please, like you'd let your kid sit in jail any longer than he needs to. Let me tell you something: It's extremely easy to play judge and jury from behind the safety and anonymity of your computer, but I'm willing to bet if this was your son in the same position as Nick you'd be scrambling to protect him. And if you have the money to expedite the booking and release process then why not get him out sooner than later?! Just because some people can afford bail doesn't mean they should sit on their hands and do nothing. It's funny how people say they will or won't do something until it actually happens to them.

John's condition is unfortunate, but it was definitely the result of multiple factors (most of which were indeed Nick's fault), one of them being his decision not to wear a seatbelt. There's no other way around it. I don't see how being a victim excuses anyone from personal responsibility.

 

[Taximom]

Playing devil's advocate here, but do you guys really expect the Bollea's to roll over and not defend their child? For all of you people calling them bad parents, you're conveniently ignoring the fact they're pulling out all the stops to protect their kid from this. That's what good parents do. (snipped)

(my bolding)

Nick's parents should have pulled out all the stops long before this accident happened. That's what good parents do.

 

[southcitymom]

Playing devil's advocate here, but do you guys really expect the Bollea's to roll over and not defend their child? For all of you people calling them bad parents, you're conveniently ignoring the fact they're pulling out all the stops to protect their kid from this. That's what good parents do.

And just to head some of you off at the pass, I don't think it's good parenting to let a child "get what he deserves" or "get what's coming to him", even if what he did was wrong. Hell, if it were my kid and I knew he did something stupid I'd still be fighting to keep him from being someone's prison . Sorry.

Actually, I think it's excellent parenting to allow children to experience the consequences of their actions. It can be difficult to do, but it's the highest standard to strive for because it's the primary way humans learn.

That said, in our US system of Justice, part of allowing a child to experience the legal consequences of their choices is to ensure he/she has appropriate legal representation. If I were in Nick's parents's shoes, I'd make sure he had great counsel and I wouldn't say a word to the media.

 

[Paladin]

(my bolding)

Nick's parents should have pulled out all the stops long before this accident happened. That's what good parents do.

Should have would have could have. They're well past that point now. Good parents also take care of their children despite their mistakes. There's various facets of good parenting, and they're not mutually exclusive.

Some people are so willful there's nothing a parent can do. There's no such thing as pulling out all of the stops short of locking their child away. Suppose Nick didn't have his own cars. The kid obviously had friends in racing circles, he could have just as easily been driving a friend's car.

 

[Paladin]

Actually, I think it's excellent parenting to allow children to experience the consequences of their actions.

Yes, he gets to live with the guilt and shame associated with turning his friend into a comatose vegetable.

I disagree that it's excellent parenting. I don't think there's anything noble about letting your child go to jail when you have the means to possibly spare them of a prison term. In fact, I think it's lazy to depend on the prison system and tax payers to do your parenting for you.

I'm not saying he shouldn't serve jail time, but I sure don't blame the parents for trying to get their kid out of this one.

edit: There are boundaries of course. If my child intentionally murdered someone or raped someone I'd say "see ya."

 

[southcitymom]

Yes, he gets to live with the guilt and shame associated with turning his friend into a comatose vegetable.

I disagree that it's excellent parenting. I don't think there's anything noble about letting your child go to jail when you have the means to possibly spare them of a prison term. In fact, I think it's lazy to depend on the prison system and tax payers to do your parenting for you.

I'm not saying he shouldn't serve jail time, but I sure don't blame the parents for trying to get their kid out of this one.

edit: There are boundaries of course. If my child intentionally murdered someone or raped someone I'd say "see ya."

I said it is excellent parenting to allow our children to experience the consequences of their actions and choices, and I don't think anything will sway me from that opinion; but I never said they should depend on the prison system and taxpayers to parent for them.

They got him the best attorney they could - there is nothing wrong with that and the purpose of that is not to save a child from the consequences of their actions, but to make certain that the child's rights are zealously protected when much is on the line.

Past that, they should step back from the media spotlight and allow the legal process to play out, IMHO.

ETA - in your belief, why is there a boundary if your child rapes or murders? Do you think parents love their children any less when the crime is rape or murder than when the crime is maiming their friend for life? Because, from a parents's standpoint, I doubt it matters.

 

[Masterj]

Should have would have could have. They're well past that point now. Good parents also take care of their children despite their mistakes. There's various facets of good parenting, and they're not mutually exclusive.

Some people are so willful there's nothing a parent can do. There's no such thing as pulling out all of the stops short of locking their child away. Suppose Nick didn't have his own cars. The kid obviously had friends in racing circles, he could have just as easily been driving a friend's car.

But he wasn't. He was driving one of his father's cars and racing a friend who was ALSO driving one of his father's cars.

 

[JBean]

Yes, he gets to live with the guilt and shame associated with turning his friend into a comatose vegetable.

I disagree that it's excellent parenting. I don't think there's anything noble about letting your child go to jail when you have the means to possibly spare them of a prison term. In fact, I think it's lazy to depend on the prison system and tax payers to do your parenting for you.

I'm not saying he shouldn't serve jail time, but I sure don't blame the parents for trying to get their kid out of this one.

edit: There are boundaries of course. If my child intentionally murdered someone or raped someone I'd say "see ya."

One of my sons got a minor infraction and the judge offered to give him community service. I felt as though cs was not enough consequence for him and had him sent to jail for 4 days. I could have gotten him out, as a matter of fact he didn't need to go in. But he is strong willed and I thought I had one good shot at driving a point home and it worked.Good parenting often involves letting your child deal with the logical consequences of their actions, which just might be jail.
I wouldn't consider the jail as a substitue for parenting?

I have another son that I probably would not have sent to jail, because I wouldn't need to go to those lengths for him to "get it"
My point is differnt consequences are in order for different kids.

I do understand your POV about helping your kids when they get into trouble. I have seen a lot with my 5 boys and no matter what, they knew they could count on me to help in the best way that I saw fit. That could include leaving them in jail or it could involve bailing them out. Just depends.

 

[Class-z]

Oh please, like you'd let your kid sit in jail any longer than he needs to. Let me tell you something: It's extremely easy to play judge and jury from behind the safety and anonymity of your computer, but I'm willing to bet if this was your son in the same position as Nick you'd be scrambling to protect him. And if you have the money to expedite the booking and release process then why not get him out sooner than later?! Just because some people can afford bail doesn't mean they should sit on their hands and do nothing. It's funny how people say they will or won't do something until it actually happens to them.

John's condition is unfortunate, but it was definitely the result of multiple factors (most of which were indeed Nick's fault), one of them being his decision not to wear a seatbelt. There's no other way around it. I don't see how being a victim excuses anyone from personal responsibility.

I actually feel the Bolea's now fit into the catagory of "ENABLEERS"

My son would be sitting in jail. I wouldn't be in any hurry to bail his irresonsible but out. Or putting him right back behind the wheels of a car.

My son wouldn't of been driving after all the other speeding warnings. It was obvious, if not stopped he was going to kill someone.

 

[Paladin]

But he wasn't. He was driving one of his father's cars and racing a friend who was ALSO driving one of his father's cars.

That wasn't the point I was trying to make. Suppose the Bollea's took away all his cars but he's still allowed to go out. He asks his buddy if he can drive his car as soon as they're a few blocks away, and his buddy says yes.

I'm just saying that even if the Bollea's were super-parents this accident might have still occurred.

 

[Paladin]

ETA - in your belief, why is there a boundary if your child rapes or murders? Do you think parents love their children any less when the crime is rape or murder than when the crime is maiming their friend for life? Because, from a parents's standpoint, I doubt it matters.

There's a boundary for me because I don't think a kid intentionally wishes to drive his car off the road and into a tree. Raping and murdering someone involves intent.

 

[Indy Gal]

Okay jumping in to through in my two cents, for what it is worth...lol

I in a way agree with Pal. No I dont agree with the way the hogans are dealing with it, blaming John, but they do need to protect their son.

When I was 15 a group of my friends were speeding in a car. There were 4 of them in the car. They were going 75 on a steet and wrapped the car around a tree. No one was wearing a seatbealt, all were thrown from the car except one, My friend Amy. She died instantly and the other 3 were hurt very badly. Amy's parents were given the choice to send the other 3 to jail after their long stay in the hospital, they refused. They handled it in cival court, for money. NONE of the boys went to jail at any time. We had all grown up together and amys parents sat at the hospital with my 3 friends the whole time. While they were angry that Amy had died they relized that them having to deal with this the rest of their lives was enough punishment for them all. And believe me they do deal with this every single day. In all reality I didnt just lose my friend Amy, I lost the 3 boys as well. They have never been the same. I think of this all the time and it happened over 10 years ago.

I only bring this up because it seems Nick and John were very close friends. I so admired her parents in the decisions they made, not because my 3 friends didnt go to jail but that they saw how much this had changed them. I still, when on that side of town, go to the crash site. The boys as well as others have kept up a memorial. And on all of my friends myspaces they have photos of Amy. It is a very hard thing to think of that you have killed your best friend because of your mistakes. And maybe just because we dont see it, I really think he is maybe dealing with this in the same way as my friends do.

Sorry for my ramble...

 

[feddup]

Oh please, like you'd let your kid sit in jail any longer than he needs to. Let me tell you something: It's extremely easy to play judge and jury from behind the safety and anonymity of your computer, but I'm willing to bet if this was your son in the same position as Nick you'd be scrambling to protect him. And if you have the money to expedite the booking and release process then why not get him out sooner than later?! Just because some people can afford bail doesn't mean they should sit on their hands and do nothing. It's funny how people say they will or won't do something until it actually happens to them.

John's condition is unfortunate, but it was definitely the result of multiple factors (most of which were indeed Nick's fault), one of them being his decision not to wear a seatbelt. There's no other way around it. I don't see how being a victim excuses anyone from personal responsibility.

You dont know me. I let mine take PLENTY of consequences and for alot less infractions. By 20, he was working for major Co and has been on his own since.
I dont think it hurt him AT ALL to take consequences.

Rich kids know Mum and Dad will always be there to bail them out no matter how much they fudge up, seen it too many times. Doubt Nick will ever amount to much, they will keep handing him everything. Too bad they hadnt yanked the car keys, mightve sent him a better message as far as how much they would tolerate in bad behaviour.

 

[philamena]

There's a boundary for me because I don't think a kid intentionally wishes to drive his car off the road and into a tree. Raping and murdering someone involves intent.

Paladin,
I agree that Hulk's son didn't get into the car and intentionally hit a tree. BUT he did intentionally speed and by some accounts he raced another car. He knew he was breaking the law. As a matter of fact I heard on Fox news earlier today that he bragged that he'd gotten his car up to 108 mph a day or 2 before the wreck. :furious:
His parents knew he was reckless and imo, should have taken his keys away after his first ticket. If he was my child, I would tell him to do the right thing and face the judge and do his time. A good parent won't hide their child like the Peterson's did their son. Bleckkkkkk makes me sick thinking about it.