Human Predators Stalk Haiti's Vulnerable Kids

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Two Americans to be released in Haiti kidnapping case: Lawyer
Feb 23, 2010 9:53 PM | By Sapa-AFP
Two Americans charged with kidnapping children following Haiti's devastating earthquake will be released by Thursday at the latest, one of their lawyers, Aviol Fleurant, told AFP.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/article323412.ece
 
  • #662
UPDATE 1-US missionaries still held in Haiti to be freed
No evidence of wrongdoing, judge says

By Joseph Guyler Delva

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Two U.S. missionaries still held in Haiti on child kidnapping charges are expected to be freed this week, the judge hearing their case said on Tuesday.

"I think they could be released this week," the judge, Bernard Sainvil, told Reuters."

"The case will be over this week because we have no criminal grounds to pursue it," added Sainvil, who spoke after questioning the two Americans, Laura Silsby and Charisa Coulter, in a Port-au-Prince courtroom.
 
  • #663
"She asked for kids at each of the orphanages, and at the end of the day when no one would give her any, she cried," Richard Pickett said. "Why would you cry after you see these kids are being taken care of?"

I recall seeing that, and it fits with my assessment that she was literally desperate to maintain the appearance that this orphanage project was on track, because she needed to keep the donations flow coming to support herself and keep her very troubled financial house of cards from tumbling down in a way that was likely to land her in a US prison, or at the very least leave her facing a long list of criminal fraud charges in the US, spelling the permament end of any pretense to be a successful businesswoman, and likely having profoundly negative effects on her custody battle/visitation rights, and alimony/child support payments.

BUT, I'd like to know what Mr. Pickett's source was for this information. Was the orphanage where she tried to get his children her last stop of the day, and the orphanage staff reported this (but how would they have known it was "the end of the day" and that she'd been unsuccessful in several attempts to obtain children)? I don't have any reason to doubt Mr. Pickett's report, but I'd really like to know the source. If someone was aware of an emotionally unstable American woman having spent the whole day trying to obtain children she had no particular claim to, and then breaking down in tears when the end of the day arrived and she still hadn't gotten any, the person should have been trying to contact the Haitian and/or American authorities to report her activities.
 
  • #664
Two Americans charged with kidnapping children following Haiti's devastating earthquake will be released by Thursday at the latest, one of their lawyers, Aviol Fleurant, told AFP.

Consider the source . . .
 
  • #665
Two U.S. missionaries still held in Haiti on child kidnapping charges are expected to be freed this week, the judge hearing their case said on Tuesday. "I think they could be released this week," the judge, Bernard Sainvil, told Reuters." "The case will be over this week because we have no criminal grounds to pursue it," added Sainvil, who spoke after questioning the two Americans, Laura Silsby and Charisa Coulter, in a Port-au-Prince courtroom.


Consider the actual words of a more reliable source. And that this source may yet defer to the prosecutor, who may have a different opinion.

If indeed they are released, I hope Silsby is taken into custody by some US authority. It has occurred to me that if the Haitian government's attitude is that they just wanted to send a message to people thinking of pulling stunts like this, but not actually go through with a prosecution (given the other, rather more pressing priorities they currently face), they may be cooperating with the US government to delay the release until the various US state and federal authorities that have legitimate grounds to take Silsby into custody, finish their inter-authority squabbling and determine who gets her first. I don't think she'd be held in a US prison at this point, but there's plenty of grounds to arrest her for various fraudulent financial activities, and then let her out on bail (assuming she could make bail, but she still seems to have some churchy suckers back in Idaho who believe she's pure as just-fallen snow).
 
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MissIzzy wrote: To be very blunt, I'm not understanding this. A Haitian adoption costs between $10,000 adn $20,000 and has a holding time of almost two years. A domestic adoption is free and the child receives an adoption assistance payment, full medical, dental, and therapy until the age of 21. Why are people in a frenzy about Haitian children who should be staying in their own country? Has anyone turned to look at the 400,000 children with a plan of adoption in this country? Just wondering.

Thanks for bringing that up.

The sad reality is that virtually all US children available for adoption at a cost below $25,000+ are severely damaged -- physically and/or psychologically. The inherent problems with that are already more than many prospective adoptive parents want to take on, but there's the added complication that government agencies will maintain a lot of control over these children's lives after they're adopting, requiring certain types of therapy or medication that the parents may not agree with, requiring that the children attend public school when the parents feel that homeschooling without the stress of big crowds, bullies, inflexible schedule, etc, would be much better, at least in the early years. Certainly some Haitian children are severely damaged too (as MissIzzy has shared re her personal experience), but there are a lot of healthy, normal, very young Haitian children whose very poor parents are quite willing to give them up, and the severely damaged ones at least won't be tied to the "system" run by US child welfare agencies.

In addition, these poor Haitian parents won't launch lawsuits months or years after the adoption, claiming some technical reason why the adoption shouldn't have been finalized and they should get the children back. There have been too many horror stories about families who adopted and bonded with infants, only to be forced to return them as preschoolers who've never known any other home or parents, to chronic drug addicts/child neglecters/single moms with a never-ending series of live-in lowlife boyfriends/etc. If you adopt internationally, you know you'll be *keeping* the child, which is the number one priority for most prospective adoptive parents.
 
  • #667
Whoa--i.b.nora, that's a massive amount of work. Thank you so much. I'd been trying to hold it all in my head. Playing off your timeline, here's some questions:

Just where did Silsby come up with the Haitian child/DR orphanage idea? Had she done any research into just how ludicrous this plan was, especially prior to the earthquake? By that statement, I'm referring to the fact that the Dominicans have certainly loosened things up to help the Haitians. Prior to the earthquake, Haitian kids--especially orphans--were just not welcomed with open arms in the DR. Why did she not hook up with an established orphanage in Haiti and funnel funds and workers there?

What exactly went on and who were the players in the pre-earthquake visits? Whose money was used for all these junkets? How could the pastors of the two Idaho churches and the Directors of Missions NOT been more involved/informed? They've given us the impression that they're all a bit bemused by what has taken place. A pastor is the shepherd of his/her flock--why aren't they in charge of the whole shebang?

In that vein, what was Silsby's position in these churches? I've read over the church newsletters a number of times (before some were removed) and I've seen no "An Evening with Laura--to Haiti with Love" Sunday night services. I don't see where Silsby "orgainically" moved into a position of power with these churches. It seems as if she fell from the sky. Oh my Lord, you don't think she's heaven-sent, do you?

There was, though, frequent mention of the Requa mission work to the Ukraine. Did the Requas give that up and channel their donated items and work to Haiti instead. Why did a group of working men and women drop everything and go with such a flimsy plan? When I think of the planning and development which could have been completed at the Idaho end, with maybe one person on the ground in Haiti, it really seems ridiculous that so many agreed to this.

If they were truly looking for someone to strictly hold a child on their lap, they could have paid a Haitian mom or dad to do that. And remember they had 40 and then 33 children with only 10 adults. I just can't figure out what these nine people thought they were going to do for two weeks. Did they have another group back in Idaho set up to relieve them? That's where planning would have come in.

Another issue is that there are many many Baptist and fundamentalist affiliated orphanages in Haiti which were damaged. The ones which were not damaged have been inundated with children, often true orphans. Why not volunteer to help where some infrastructure already existed?

The level of arrogance and lack of cultural sensitivity just appalls me when I think about it. When we traveled to Haiti to adopt in 1989, we were made aware of the fact that, outside the hotel we stayed, we were NOT to be seen in public with our new daughter. The Haitian people had very negative reactions to international adoption and felt that Americans and Europeans were child-stealing. The cultural reaction in Korea in the mid-80s was totally different. Everywhere we went, people stopped us to thank us for adopting a Korean child. The issue is that cultures are different and have different reactions to adoption. Silsby failed to do any homework.

I also wanted to point out that I'm seeing more and more comments on numerous blogs concerning the selling of body parts. The subject is sickening and not one I can link to the Baptists. But I do keep seeing scattered reports of groups of young children disappearing. Where are they going? In fact there's some very thought provoking and well written comments on the Anderson Cooper page. I'll link to it:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/05/video-missionaries-case-lies/

This is the video concerning the "brochures" which were given to parents. The comments that follow are right on, IMO.
 
  • #668
I'm sorry my post is so out of sequence. Thank you, guys, for breaking the news of the possible release of the final 2 Baptists. We'll see.

Pink--I'd like to address your post. I'm sorry but I don't agree with you on a number of levels. Many children in the US are indeed, prenatally exposed to drugs or alcohol. Many, who have been in the system for years have behavioral and abandonment issues. That is a huge issue. However, children in third world countries often arrive with rickets, parasites, vitamin deficiencies, failure to thrive, post-nutritional deficiencies, institutionally induced attachment issues, and lack of medical histories.

Children born in the states most commonly have a "paper trail" back to the day of their birth or first prenatal appointment and due to very strict disclosure laws, rarely is an adopting parent unaware of previous abuse, neglect, or parental medical history issues.

An domestic adoptive parent is subjected to a home study as is the case with every international adoption. The same goes for post-placement supervision and interstate compact rules. These are federally and mandated and only a very black-market situation would be able to circumvent them. Once a child is legally adopted, usually 6-12 months after placement, no agency maintains any control of the child. If a family receives an adoption assistance stipend, no amount of reporting or accounting can be requested. Agencies may not have any impact on family choices concerning moving, education, discipline, therapy, etc.--not once the adoption is final. This sounds terrible and unethical but essentially, a parent can adopt from a Christian agency and tell the case manager that the child will attend a private Christian school and will maintain a twice yearly meeting with a birth parent. That family can pick up and move to another state or country and make any choices they wish concerning education and religion. No birth-family visitation/open adoption can be legally mandated. It is considered informal and a courtesy only. A legally adopted child is no different than a child born to a family. A parent is only required to follow state laws concerning appropriate education, protection, support, and discipline.

Many of the the very real issues you raise involve children who are in a foster/adoption placement. That is, when a foster family asks to adopt a child they've bonded with. If a family chooses domestic adoption, they can choose to only consider children who have no legal risk--the parental rights have been terminated. We've completed eight domestic adoptions like this. I cannot speak highly enough of our experiences, for the most part. We've had appropriate subsidies, excellent medical, dental, pharmaceutical, and mental health care, access to special education services, and respite help for the asking. If we want to be involved with an agency based support group, we could. We've had very good communication with the public state agencies that placed our children with us. The adoptions held no cost for our family. In fact, there are one time subsidies to help pay for travel and finalizations costs. Everything in US adoptions is intended to remove barriers to permanency and to create an incentive to adoption. If someone is truly interesting in adopting a healthy child of color, let me assure you that there are tens of thousands ready and waiting here in the states.

Adopting internationally, you are truly on your own. You have no way of ever knowing your child's true history. You receive no services, stipends, etc. In fact, you must sign a binding agreement to not apply for government funds (food stamps, SSI) for the child for a certain number of years after placement. Until recently, children with pre-existing medical conditions were not required to be covered under the family insurance plan. This process worked like a charm for our family with our Korean adoptions as the Korean process was finely honed by the 1980's. Our experience with Haiti was a total debacle and morass from the get go.

I encourage anyone with questions concerning adoption to check out the advocacy group I've worked with for the last 16 years, the North American Council on Adoptable Children:

www.nacac.org

There are lots of fact sheets and great links. As an end note, I've given birth three times to gloriously healthy and bright children. We did everything the "right way". As those children grew up they developed serious mental and neurological illnesses--related to an unknown gene which also caused my severe disability. We've also sadly lost a biological grandchild soon after her birth to this same disorder.

Our Korean adoptees and four of our domestically adopted children are fabulously healthy and productive adults. Four struggle mightily with mental and chronic illness. Parenting is a gamble, no matter which door you go through.
 
  • #669
If the judge is reported to find "No criminal activity" on the part of Silsby and her lackey why are these two female Beavis and Buttheads still sleeping on the concrete floor and "could be released "no later than the end of the week."

Maybe Pink is right. The prosecutor may get a say or the U.S. authorities are negotiating which law enforcement arm, state or federal, gets first whack at them. Frankly, I will believe the release when I see them getting on the plane without U.S. marshall cuffs.
 
  • #670
At about the same time as the Reuters report was coming out, this McClatchy report also came out.

Senator: U.S. says Haiti will release last two missionaries

By Bethann Stewart | Idaho Statesman

The State Department has told Idaho's U.S. Sen. James Risch that two missionaries still being held in Haiti on child kidnapping charges will be released later this week.

Risch's spokesman, Brad Hoaglun, said that the State Department said Laura Silsby and Charisa Coulter would be released later this week. It was not immediately clear how the State Department knew of their release.
 
  • #671
Pink--I know I can get tiresomely stuck but I have another point about adoption ethics. For those who aren't interested, please skip this post and move on.

One sea change in adoption and foster care which I failed to mention in my treatise above is the arrival on the scene of the Fundamentalists and Evangelics. I'm going to try to step lightly but call it as I've seen this drama play out in the last 25 years.

In the 70's and 80's, transcultural, both domestic and primarily Korean, adoption was typically connected with the urban centers and liberal politics. Black children were starting to enter the US system at the same time Holt Adoptions and Eastern Child Welfare were setting up shop in Korea. American parents (yes, typically white middle class couples) were seeing the costs of adopting a perfect white newborn skyrocket with Roe vs. Wade taking its toll on unplanned pregnancies. It suddenly became "cool" and "evolved" to adopt outside of one's own race or heritage.

Families often said that the race or color of the child "didn't matter to them". Oh, how naive we all were back in those days. Of course, the race and color mattered to the child. It was not a pleasant thing to be seen as the Marvin's little Korean girl or the Johnson's nice adopted black son. We had a lot of work to do on cultural sensitivity.

For a while black/white adoptions were slowed by some strong advocacy by the Association of Black Social Workers in the early 90s. They tried (and still do, I imagine) to exhort black families to adopt to a great level of success. However, with the use of illicit drugs and the crumbling family structure in the inner city, children of color literally overwhelmed the system. I worked hard on the MultiEthnic Placement Act in 1994 which finally removed the barriers to whites adopting black children. Now a family's race could only be considered as a factor in adoption--not THE factor. Families were finally given cultural training on racial issues and we saw the advent of the Culture Camps.

In the mid-90s, Evangelical and Fundamentalist churches started preaching about adoption. Along with the Quiver Full movement, we saw the beginning of the huge multi-racial adoptive family. I personally know of families with up to 40 children which fit this description. They often, but of course, not always, are very conservative in their politics and see their actions as a personal statement against abortion. I know some great families with some very successful and happy kids.

However, these families have had their problems. Adoption is not about altruism. It's all fine and dandy to adopt that sweet little black baby boy but that boy grows up. That boy is not always tickled to be the only child of color in an all white high school. He straddles two worlds. Is he black or is he white?

Often times, in the rush to adopt as many children as possible, something called child-crowding occurs. Just because a house can hold 12 children doesn't mean it's the best practice. Children need space and attention. They are individuals and can often get shunted out of the way in huge families (trust me on this one as the mother of 14).

When the conservative Christians hit up against DHS, sparks went off. The Christians approached parenting a la James Dobson. DHS took a far more liberal view. DHS forbid any sort or corporal punishment in their foster and adoption training classes (and remember that many children arrive in a family as a foster child prior to being adopted). DHS also did not usually approve of home-schooling as they sought greater oversight of the child while the child was still in foster care. That flew in the face of many of the Christian foster and adoptive parents. This caused many to remove themselves from foster care and from the waiting lists at DHS for adoption. We saw a mass exodus towards Christian agencies who had contacts in Haiti, Liberia, and Ethiopia.

This is where the fine article that Texas Mist posted comes in. It describes the practice of international child and baby trafficking and "laundering". It is essentially the purchasing of children from their families and fast-tracking them for adoption. Birth parents don't always understand that they are literally signing away their kids until it is too late. Unscrupulous workers have been known to openly lie to families and promise visits or contact. Sometimes the children will be maintained for long periods of time in the orphanages which brings the orphanage and its directors more funds. Families can get photos and letters from their children and can visit but the darned paperwork just keeps getting "lost". The Christian agencies on the US end will often accept family dynamics which not be allowed in the public sector. This was all well-documented in the paper which TM posted.

While transcultural families were once found in the 70s-80s within the ultra liberal community, they are now more often found in the Bible Belt. With US agencies bursting at the seams with children of color waiting for adoption, African and Haitian children are arriving in record numbers. I really feel as if there's a strong link to the Quiver Full movement. This is, as always, my opinion only. I truly don't wish to step on anybody's toes nor minimize the love that a family has for their children.

If you look at international and transcultural adoption over the course of the last 25-30 years, it has changed drastically.
 
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Domain Name.......... jorge-es-inocente.com
Creation Date........ 2010-02-22
Registration Date.... 2010-02-22
Expiry Date.......... 2011-02-22
Organisation Name.... Jorge Torres
Organisation Address. Calle Cuyaya Numero 28
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Santo Domingo
Organisation Address. 00000
Organisation Address. DN
Organisation Address. DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
 
  • #674
Man Connected With Americans in Haiti Makes His Case While Still on the Run
By MARC LACEY and IAN URBINA
Published: February 23, 2010


MEXICO CITY — Jorge Torres — a k a Jorge Puello, a k a the self-described “lawyer” who advised the 10 Americans arrested in Haiti last month — certainly has unusual habits for a man on the run. A fugitive of the modern age, he fires off e-mail messages on the lam, defends himself on Web sites against the charges looming over him and grants media interviews even as law enforcement agencies pursue him.

In a rambling telephone interview on Tuesday from what he said was Panama, but could have been anywhere, Mr. Torres said he was not guilty of anything, pointed reporters and police officers alike to his new Web site [ http://www.jorge-es-inocente.com/ ] and vowed to turn himself in soon to prove he had done nothing wrong.

“All I’m waiting for is for my lawyer to tell me, ‘Surrender,’ ” he said.

The man on the phone clearly had the same voice as the one who once presented himself as the lawyer for the 10 Americans jailed on child abduction charges. But he abruptly disappeared after it emerged that he was not a lawyer at all, and that the authorities in El Salvador were seeking his arrest on charges of sexual trafficking.

Jorge Aníbal Torres Puello appears to be his real name, and Mr. Torres e-mailed copies of identity documents to support that. He acknowledged using numerous aliases over the years, sometimes to leave his criminal past behind him and sometimes for other shadowy reasons.

But even his wife, Ana J. Galvarina Ramírez Orellana, was sometimes confused about his identity.
........................
Mr. Torres could not fully explain why he became involved in the Americans’ case when he knew arrest warrants were out for him. But even with the obvious risk of exposure, he seemed to delight in the media attention. “I’m in demand,” he said of the many journalists trailing him at the time, not the law enforcement officials now in pursuit.


much more here -- good read

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/24/world/americas/24puello.html

Puello is a dangerous man, IMO.
 
  • #675
Haiti adoption fights mirror desperation

By JONATHAN M. KATZ
The Associated Press


PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — Foreigners detained, Haitians enraged, children caught in the middle: The scenario that played out this week echoed the case of 10 Americans caught trying to spirit youngsters out of this earthquake-ravaged nation.

This time it turned out differently. Six U.S.-bound orphans seized by Haitian police Saturday as they were about board a flight for Miami were handed over to the U.S. Embassy on Tuesday. They are scheduled to leave Wednesday afternoon for new homes and families in the United States.

The two cases highlight the perils of trying to remove youngsters from this desperate country.

At the very moment Haiti's impoverished children are in greatest need — and well-meaning foreigners most willing to help — fears of child trafficking are making it harder than ever for them to leave the Western Hemisphere's poorest land.

Fears were exacerbated by the case of 10 U.S. Baptist missionaries who were stopped late last month trying to take a busload of 33 children to the Dominican Republic without proper documentation.


more here -- Haiti is struggling :(

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/haiti-adoption-fights-mirror-323984.html
 
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Truckbomb's translation of the last part of Puerllo's self-serving Web Page
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The actions of Mr. Torres are the creation and manipulation by the the United States of America government and proves the discrimination towards Hispanics in that racist and cruel nation.

The nation of El Salvador has contributed to these actions of the United States government by manufacturing a case with political motives against Mr. Torres.

We hope that with all this information you as reader you can understand the miserable life that he has suffered during his 32 years of life and finally

YOU BE THE JUDGE.
Thanks.

Committee for the defense of Jorge Aníbal Puello Towers.


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Racist and Cruel nation?
Is this guy Looney Tunes or what?
 
  • #678
In some ways, I don't think he is any loonier than T h e B A P T I S T S.
 
  • #679
I'd like to see a run down of the members of Puello's Committee......Chenvert, Hidalgo, hmmmm.
 
  • #680
Puello Says Other Dominicans Helped Silsby

This is the awaited Haitivox article, one of them anyhow. Glad I didn't hold my breathe. If we didn't already know so much about Puello and his history of lying and if he hadn't have launched his brand new website just yesterday then I might consider this article more important than I think it is.

From Haitivox's own words: "Mr. Puello alleges that another group of Dominicans were helping Silsby secure documents and passage across the border prior to her fateful trip to Haiti. This article does not disclose their names, because these allegations require further investigation. But it will be shared with law enforcement authorities."

One of the things I find so fascinating about Jorge Puello is his reliance on "documents" to prove his statements / allegations / etc. But, what is even more fascinating is how people seem to automatically believe that since it is a "document" that it must be real.

About halfway through the article she finally gets to the info about the lady lawyer and some high placed Dominican official who Puello says helped Silsby. And, she talks some about Sean Lankford and his interactions with Puello. All of course is based on Puello's word alone and some "documents" which he claims is an email exchange between he and Lankford.
 

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