I am so Angry

[BirdieBoo]

I bring up Kennedy because he murdered someone with his own hands and still gets re-elected to the Senate. Mighty telling. Mighty telling. :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

Kennedy was convicted of murdering someone with his own hands? Can you post a link? last I heard, he was a free man. I still don't understand the relevance to the current problem, but of course, I am not trying to make excuses for Bush, I didn't vote for him and I don't think he is good for the USA so that may be why.

I just think it's pathetic and sad that people are dying of thirst (BABIES DYING OF THIRST for heaven's sake) in AMERICA in the 21st century. While Bush was on vay'freakin'cation. SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, and in this case, yes, Bush can count on my vote.

As for the relevance of the Saudis, check out the AIRPLANE comment to which I was responding. It makes sense when taken in context.

 

[Magnum PI]

Kennedy was convicted of murdering someone with his own hands? Can you post a link? last I heard, he was a free man. I still don't understand the relevance to the current problem, but of course, I am not trying to make excuses for Bush, I didn't vote for him and I don't think he is good for the USA so that may be why.

I just think it's pathetic and sad that people are dying of thirst (BABIES DYING OF THIRST for heaven's sake) in AMERICA in the 21st century. While Bush was on vay'freakin'cation. sOMEONE NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, and in this case, yes, Bush can count on my vote.

As for the relevance of the Saudis, check out the AIRPLANE comment to which I was responding. It makes sense when taken in context.

Birdie, I think you hit the operable note..BABIES DYING OF THRIST!!!Remember how gut wrenching those African commercials about the babies, the flies, the bad water....well...HELLO...we have made our own version, and aren't dealing with it any better....mpi

 

[Dara]

I said this in another thread, but it's certainly something I am angry about.

Three babies died in the convention center. Probably when Michael Brown, FEMA director, was not aware they or anyone else was there, even though it was widely reported and it's, you know, his job. Dead babies, dead adults, rapes, etc. He didn't know what was common knowledge. And Bush praised him for the job he did, dead babies and all.

 

[Bobbisangel]

The Red Cross Director explained that it was deemed too dangerous for their volunteers to enter until areas were under control. They do not want to put the lives of the Red Cross volunteers in danger. Unfortunately, I agree with the decision. A few thugs make it hard on everyone. So, IMO, the blame should be placed on the thugs and the Louisiana's local government for not having a plan.

Of course, by reading many of the posts on this forum, I understand that my viewpoint is in the minority.

I want to know why they waited 5 days to call the National Guard in? As soon as they came in everything settled down. Why 5 long days???????

 

[KrazyKollector]

What does Ted Kennedys actions 40 years ago have to do with this? He isnt President, has never been President and will never be President. Who cares?

Probably nothing but since people love to demonize the President, I like to bring up a real demon who holds political office. Balances it out.

Besides, the Saudis being allowed to flee for their lives has nothing to do with this hurricane either. Unless some think the Saudis caused the hurricane so they could control the oil prices even more.
Part of the tin foil hat theory. LOL!

 

[tybee204]

LOL Lots of "demons" hold political office but lets try to stay on topic. LMAO I mean even Gopher from the Love Boat and Cooter from Dukes of Hazzard have been elected to public office. But I dont think they are responsible for the Hurricane either.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I never thought I'd hear that one on Websleuths. And I suppose the children getting raped by the thugs in the city right now were "asking for it," when they were at 711 looting for food because they didn't evacuate?

Government responsibility aside, is it that difficult for people to put themselves in someone else's position and understand that some people were simply unable to evacuate? There was a poster on here with family down there and when they got to the freeway, it was too packed and they were unable to get on and get out of the city. So they had to turn around and get to shelter to try to ride it out. And now we sit here judging people like them lumping everyone together and saying how much smarter we would be in their situation.

Yes, there are people who *wouldn't* evacute, but don't confuse them with the people who *couldn't* evacuate.

There was also no gas to be found for a lot of people who had vehicles.

 

[BirdieBoo]

Besides, the Saudis being allowed to flee for their lives has nothing to do with this hurricane either.

You're right, Except in the context of my reply to the airplane comment. It was just my reply to another poster regarding an airplane, the real focus here needs to be on the victims of this terrible disaster, which is likely to affect EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US and our entire nation in the years to come, like it or not.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I know, it's really terrible. The local government has been asking for money for years to repair the levee, but just couldn't get the federal funding.

ETA: P.S. Did you see the story on the guy who just took a bus, picked people up and drove to Texas? What a hero!

From what I remember it was a TEENAGER who drove the bus to Texas!!!!
Kodoes to that boy

 

[BirdieBoo]

From what I remember it was a TEENAGER who drove the bus to Texas!!!!
Kodoes to that boy

That Boy is a hero, but was reported by some to be an "extreme looter" who stole a bus. Somehow he managed to do what the government could not or would not, getting people out of there.

 

[Magnum PI]

You're right, Except in the context of my reply to the airplane comment. It was just my reply to another poster regarding an airplane, the real focus here needs to be on the victims of this terrible disaster, which is likely to affect EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US and our entire nation in the years to come, like it or not.

and speaking of airplanes, where the hell are the firefighting airplanes they show us all the time putting out fires when they get too close to expensive neighborhoods in Ca or wherever. I see major fires in NO. Are they busy? or is their boss busy?..mpi

 

[tybee204]

Sarcasm is such an over rated feature when it comes to emotion based issues.

 

[BirdieBoo]

MPI, that's a tough one. I do know where Air Force One was, on Wednesday. San Diego, California.

 

[KrazyKollector]

Things we've learned for the next time:

1-Cities have a disaster plan? Use it and stick to it.
Don't have one? Get one. Now.
2-Be Proactive about mandatory evacuations. Get every vehicle available and use it. Have plans in place for people with disabilities, young children and pets. Have a separate plan for the hospitals and make sure drills are done yearly.
3-Know what resources you have available at a moments notice and use them.
Planes, boats, trolley cars, buses and bicycles all move. Get your people moved to safety.
4-Open all major highways to "exit only".
5-Make sure all potential shelters are stocked and ready at all times. Bottled water never goes bad. Stockpiling cans and water can only lead to good. Same with formula and diapers and Ensure. When it gets within 3 months of expiration, give it out and replace it.
Know WHAT is going to be needed and get it.
6-Be ready to exist for several days before more help comes. Know the number for the Porta-Potty people and keep it close.
7-Always be prepared for the WCS so you don't end up needing to CYA.
8-Never build a city lower than sea level. It may end up in it.

 

[Bobbisangel]

People can continue to displace blame here and there but the fact is that this is a natural disaster. Someone will always want to blame the government, Bush and the people themselves.

I don't think sitting behind your computer blaming someone is really helping anyone else survive, or the dead either.

I guess all those who died in the Tsunami died due to their nation's government's fault, too?

Add up all the people who die in this natural disaster and then take together all the people who are murdered all year long in this nation by people they know and love and trust and let's find a way to blame government for everyone in the nation's death.

Maybe it will make everyone then feel better about their personal situations
or their political affiliations.
But it sure isn't helping the situation.

Take someone into your home who is homeless .... if you have the room, why not? Aren't we all to blame that there are homeless people? Couldn't we all do more?
Why is it just the "President's" responsibility?

Someone is to blame for all of those people having to wait almost 5 days to get food and water. It doesn't matter how this all happened. It matters to me that after it happened no one helped them. There were thousands of people at the Civic Center...with nothing...sleeping next to the dead, human waste, filth. The majority of the time everyone was pretty calm at the Civic Center. Those people were told to go there. They followed instructions. They were told help was on the way. Their elderly died...their babies died...and they waited and waited. Someone dropped the ball on these people. Someone who should have had a plan and then put it into action. The National Guard should have been brought in on day one along with food and water for those people. I have never seen anything like it and hope I never do again. I blame whoever it was that had the responsibility to see that these people were taken care of in the middle of this horrible disaster. I don't care if it was the governor or the President. Someone was elected to carry this responsibility and they messed up horribly.

 

[Bobbisangel]

It took Terri Schiavo nearly 14 days to die of dehydration and starvation. I wonder why people at the Superdome are dying in such a short time. Maybe it's more lack of medical care than food or water?

The people dehydrated because of the heat..about 95 degrees and no way to get out of it or to cool them down and because they had no water. I would imagine the heat had a lot to do with it...especially the elderly and babies.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I agree with you both. I can't stand this "lets blame" thing. It makes the writer of the post seem so distant because their talking about blame when this is the time for action. They have forever to hold people responsible, but only a short time to make life and death decisions.

A lack of action is why people are being blamed. The decision makers knew this was going to be a bad one. They knew way ahead of time. That was the time for action. That was the time to have a plan. The National Guard should have been standing by ready for action....a supply of food and water should have been set up somewhere ready to be handed out or dropped down so people wouldn't have had to go without for nearly 5 days.

Something has to be learned from this horrible disaster because it won't be the last disaster that we face.

There was no reign of terror at the Civic Center....none. Even the newscasters made that perfectly clear. There is no reason why the Red Cross couldn't have come to the people there. The citizens were talking on the mic's and saying that there was no need to bring guns into that area because there was no one there shooting guns or doing anything else. The people were frustrated because of lack of food and water but they were basically calm. Some of the politicians said they had no idea it was so bad at the Civic Center...thousands of people without food...water...medicine...chit all over the place because of no working bathrooms, etc. Everyone else in the world knew the horror going on except those politicians...please!

The time for action was before the hurricane...there should have been a plan of action....and someone or more was responsible for that plan. If there had been a plan of action set up and carried out there would be no one to point fingers at or to blame.

 

[mysteriew]

Some more Monday morning quarterbacking here. With the warnings recieved about the hurricane's- they knew they were coming and they were going to be bad.
Busses should have been provided at the time the evacuation was ordered, prior to the hurricane. Ships that left the area just before shouldn't have been empty.
Immediately before the hurricane- buses, boats, some large equipment, fire equipment and personel should have been commandeered and one half of them moved to a more northern location where they could stage until after the hurricane. They would then be close enough to be first back into the city for rescues- with operable equipment.
After the hurricane, requests for volunteers should have gone out in NO (for instance at the superdome). Instead of incarcerating all, the able bodied should have had an opportunity to join in rescue effort. Idle, helpless, desperate people tend to cause mischief. They could easily have been used in the initial efforts and things would probably not have gotten to the extremes they did. I live in a rural area and have volunteered at a number of floods. Many rescues happen because of "volunteers due to circumstance". And it happened in NO also with neighbor helping neighbor. But then they were shunted aside, herded together, and deserted by the "professionals" who were overwhelmed themselves. With a little OJT, many of the victims would have been willing and able to help out. Look at the number of able-bodied people you saw in the pictures of the Superdome. And all they could do was sit there and watch people die. With no food and no water, the heat, the boredom, the fear, the desperation- I guess I would have been rebellious too. And once rebellion starts it usually gets out of hand.

 

[rollerbladr123]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050904/ts_alt_afp/usweatherbushpolitics_050904105954
Katrina criticisms echo past complaints against Bush

Quote 1 WASHINGTON (AFP) - Complaints about President George W. Bush's reaction to Hurricane Katrina echo past criticisms over crises like the Asian tsunami or the Iraq war. Doubters are asking whether he reacted too slowly to the catastrophe, sent enough troops to keep order, or relied too much on rosy scenarios spun by senior aides while New Orleans descended into anarchy.

more at link.....

 

[Dara]

I want to know why they waited 5 days to call the National Guard in? As soon as they came in everything settled down. Why 5 long days???????

I posted one of these stories in another thread:

New Orleans' deputy police chief, W.S. Riley, issued a stinging indictment of the federal effort, saying the first Guard members who arrived slept in their trucks and played cards before they jumped in to help police.

"The first three days we had no assistance," he told the French news agency AFP.

Newsday

A top New Orleans police officer said Saturday that National Guard troops sat around playing cards while people died in the stricken city after Hurricane Katrina. New Orleans deputy police commander W.S. Riley launched a bitter attack on the federal response to the disaster though he praised the way the evacuation was eventually handled.

Japan Today