I am so Angry

[Dara]

Another thing whilst im ranting.

Your rants are giving me a headache. Because I am nodding my head so hard in agreement!

I keep hearing "Why didnt these people evacuate?"

I want to know HOW were they suppose to evacuate. We see how many bus's , helecopters and planes it is taking to evacuate this number of people. We did not see 100's of bus's , planes and helicopters evacuating the poor and elderly before the Hurricane.

How were these people suppose to evacuate and where were they suppose to go?

Well, as I heard on CNN this morning, FEMA apparently ran a hurricane scenario with a hypothetical Hurricane Pam. They knew the city would flood; they knew many, many people wouldn't evacuate. I guess they were aware of the poverty and other factors, as by now we should all be. So, whether or not they should have or shouldn't have evacuated, did or didn't, could or couldn't, FEMA knew they wouldn't and had a good idea what would happen when--not if--a srong hurricane came through.

So, this wasn't a surprise. And to be frank, even if it was, the response should have been better. The response was too slow and feeble even for an unexpected event.

 

[Dara]

Yes...my thinning hair...

Funny, I'm pretty sure he's responsible for a few of my gray hairs.

But seriously, while you're faulting others for blaming Bush, maybe you should consider if you are unwilling to blame him at all? I'm just asking.

 

[tybee204]

A National Guardsman was one of many shot in the Superdome. People were murdered and raped. Died of dehydration and neglect and even committed suicide. They lacked water, food and medical care. A safe place is not what I would consider the Superdome to have been.

 

[Details]

My personal response - I blame Bush for a lot of things - I think he's the worst President in American history. But I think this was such an unprecedented disaster, so unthinkable (even if we knew intellectually it was possible), and so much violence and resistance from the criminal element that I'm not ready to fault anyone for the response. I think they've done a great job. 20/20 hindsight would say there were other things to do, but there are only so many resources, and a huge swath of disaster through several states.

The Superdome was safe in that the hurricane didn't destroy it, and it's above the floodwaters. Losing power and water - hard to really have anything that could handle that. The security situation - I have to say that I have a lot of blame on the people DOING the raping and killing and stealling for it. I've never before heard of such a thing, where you had to have armed guards everywhere to prevent people from becoming animals; where enough people in the crowd that is there (after all, you aren't ever alone there, really, are you?) will just be onlookers, where criminals will do this kind of thing with everyone watching.

 

[lilpony]

I have been reading all of these threads. And I just want it known ...

That I stand behind our President. Most people are bashing him!! This is just how I feel, and I just had to write this down. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and this is mine.

I hate talking about political issues with other people. And I think that if people want to get into bashing our President, it should be done in the political forum. Sorry!!

JMO

 

[Ntegrity]

It took Terri Schiavo nearly 14 days to die of dehydration and starvation. I wonder why people at the Superdome are dying in such a short time. Maybe it's more lack of medical care than food or water?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have been reading all of these threads. And I just want it known ...

That I stand behind our President. Most people are bashing him!! This is just how I feel, and I just had to write this down. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and this is mine.

I voted for the twit..TWICE! :banghead:

I can not stand behind him now. :snooty:

 

[Dara]

I have been reading all of these threads. And I just want it known ...

That I stand behind our President. Most people are bashing him!!

It isn't bashing if it's true.

I feel he failed to step in while people were dying, and the response was pitifully inadequate. I feel he failed when he made decisions regarding FEMA, and other issues that contributed to this tragedy. Much is documented right here at WS that provides a solid basis for criticizing Bush. IMO, those calling it bashing are simply trying to brush off legitimate concerns.

 

[Dara]

It took Terri Schiavo nearly 14 days to die of dehydration and starvation. I wonder why people at the Superdome are dying in such a short time. Maybe it's more lack of medical care than food or water?

I'm sure Terri's room was air conditioned. And I would guess that her body got conditioned to require less fluids and to tolerate abnormal electrolytes (pure guessing on my part).

People reported terrible heat in the Superdome and I think that was also a factor.

 

[tybee204]

you can sell something in your house to get out, or ya, take a cab, expensive as it is, to a shelter .... it was an emergency evacuation.... looks like from the photo below, many people took it seriously....

Aug. 28: Interstate-10 westbound out of New Orleans is jammed with traffic as residents evacuate ahead of Hurricane Katrina.

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_564_images/katrina_hwy.jpg

Yes those with nice cars were able to evacuate. Of course one must have an income of more then $8,000 a year to have a nice car. Now explain how 2 80+ year old people with physical ailments and no ability to drive were suppose to escape New Orleans? Hire a cab to drive them to Baton Rouge for $1,000? Last evac I spent 14 hours on I-16 trying to go from Savannah to Atlanta. The evac cost me over $2000 from start to finish. People simply do not understand what it takes to evacuate a family along with a million other people to find safe haven.

Sell something from your home to pay to evacuate? To who? Everyone is leaving all of there personal possession behind to evacuate. Who the hell do you think is gonna buy a TV or VCR 24 hours before a hurricane hits?

 

[nanandjim]

Funny, I'm pretty sure he's responsible for a few of my gray hairs.

But seriously, while you're faulting others for blaming Bush, maybe you should consider if you are unwilling to blame him at all? I'm just asking.

I don't like to play the blame game. I find it very draining to continually read such pettiness and negativity, much less participate in it.

 

[Details]

Terri wasn't walking around and burning calories, nor sweating out this heat and losing water. But as I understand it, the people dying are those whose health was already compromised. Diabetics who have no insulin, elderly, etc.

At least, aside from those dying from thugs raping and killing them. :furious:

 

[lilpony]

It isn't bashing if it's true.

I feel he failed to step in while people were dying, and the response was pitifully inadequate. I feel he failed when he made decisions regarding FEMA, and other issues that contributed to this tragedy. Much is documented right here at WS that provides a solid basis for criticizing Bush. IMO, those calling it bashing are simply trying to brush off legitimate concerns.

I do not believe it is True....I like reading all of these threads about all of these subjects. Even Hurricane Katrina. But if a lot of people want to blame our President of the United States for everything, that can be done in the political forum. I thought that was what that forum was for. And doesn't belong on this thread. This is just my opinion.

 

[Dara]

Yes those with nice cars were able to evacuate. Of course one must have an income of more then $8,000 a year to have a nice car. Now explain how 2 80+ year old people with physical ailments and no ability to drive were suppose to escape New Orleans? Hire a cab to drive them to Baton Rouge for $1,000? Last evac I spent 14 hours on I-16 trying to go from Savannah to Atlanta. The evac cost me over $2000 from start to finish. People simply do not understand what it takes to evacuate a family along with a million other people to find safe haven.

Sell something from your home to pay to evacuate? To who? Everyone is leaving all of there personal possession behind to evacuate. Who the hell do you think is gonna buy a TV or VCR 24 hours before a hurricane hits?

I wonder if some of the people saying "Oh, I wouldn't have let my baby die" or "I would have gotten out" are just trying to distance themselves. "It can't happen to me or mine" kind of thinking.

I really prefer that to the other reasons people could be saying stuff like that.

 

[tybee204]

It took Terri Schiavo nearly 14 days to die of dehydration and starvation. I wonder why people at the Superdome are dying in such a short time. Maybe it's more lack of medical care than food or water?

Babies, children and the elderly die very quickly when they dehydrate. babies can die within 48 hours. Terri Shiavo was not suffering from diarrea, up to 120 degree temperatures causing heat strokes and lying in the human waste of 25,000 other people. There is no comparison to the two situations.

 

[Dara]

I do not believe it is True.....

I do, and so it is not bashing. I don't call your defense of Bush delusional denial. Don't call mine bashing.

I'll let the mods make the call of what belongs where, but it seems to me the political questions/issues do belong here.When Bush praised the man who didn't know people were at convention center long after the rest of the world did, it belongs here. IMO.

 

[nanandjim]

I do not believe it is True....I like reading all of these threads about all of these subjects. Even Hurricane Katrina. But if a lot of people want to blame our President of the United States for everything, that can be done in the political forum. I thought that was what that forum was for. And doesn't belong on this thread. This is just my opinion.

For what it's worth, lilpony, I agree with you.

 

[Mabel]

I do not believe it is True....I like reading all of these threads about all of these subjects. Even Hurricane Katrina. But if a lot of people want to blame our President of the United States for everything, that can be done in the political forum. I thought that was what that forum was for. And doesn't belong on this thread. This is just my opinion.

Sorry, but I disagree. Regardless of which side of the issue any of us are on, the government response (or lack of it) is a major factor in dealing with this disaster. I see no reason why discussion about it should have to take place on a different forum as it's part of the story.

 

[Ntegrity]

Babies, children and the elderly die very quickly when they dehydrate. babies can die within 48 hours. Terri Shiavo was not suffering from diarrea, up to 120 degree temperatures causing heat strokes and lying in the human waste of 25,000 other people. There is no comparison to the two situations.

Sheesh, it was just a question.

 

[concernedperson]

Yes those with nice cars were able to evacuate. Of course one must have an income of more then $8,000 a year to have a nice car. Now explain how 2 80+ year old people with physical ailments and no ability to drive were suppose to escape New Orleans? Hire a cab to drive them to Baton Rouge for $1,000? Last evac I spent 14 hours on I-16 trying to go from Savannah to Atlanta. The evac cost me over $2000 from start to finish. People simply do not understand what it takes to evacuate a family along with a million other people to find safe haven.

Sell something from your home to pay to evacuate? To who? Everyone is leaving all of there personal possession behind to evacuate. Who the hell do you think is gonna buy a TV or VCR 24 hours before a hurricane hits?

Tybee, sometimes logic goes out the window. A lot of people haven't ever been involved in a hurricane just watch it on the news as it unfolds. The costs even if it is a false alarm are huge especially to people on a low fixed income or for those who are self-employed. Then if you get a hit even though you evacuated you go home to spoiled food, damage that has to be cleaned up, possessions that are ruined etc.

For some of these people the options are very limited and when one is limited they are not going to sell their tv (even if someone would buy it) because it probably took them 2 years to pay for it. Those things are golden to poor people.They just don't have what everyone else has.