I believe the Ramseys are innocent.

[newtv]

Burke was never "cleared" - read the statement from D.A. Hunter closely.
Nobody who was, or could have been, in the house that night has been "cleared".

I think your lack of in-depth knowledge about this case is what causes you to think they are innocent. When you learn the real details of the case your opinion may change like most people's does.

Start with the link below. As soon as you realize that NO STRANGER could possibly have written the ransom note and matched so many of Patsy Ramsey's handwriting exemplars, you're on your way to the truth.

Please do not assume a lack of knowledge- I followed it very closely- and if Burke was not cleared why did the Globe have to pay handsomely for suggesting that he wasnt cleared-Burke was not involved- maybe yo need to do some reading- its preposterous anyhow- he was not just a boy but a tiny, skinny kid-how the hell did he do that much damage?? I think you a re patronizing and thats not the point- I have watched and read almost everything on the case- and i have never considered anything to be there to convict the parent s and certainly not Burke-
No one but the grand jury heard everything-you were not there- i was not there- and the truth is not anywhere near you or me- so if you dont mind please at least be respectful of differences-your theory is different - not correct.

 

[Britt]

They didn't.
The BPD refused to meet with them.
They were at the time meeting with other law enforcement investigators; it was not only the BPD who did not want a meeting to take place. The Ramsey lawyers did not want one, but were repeatedly instructed by their clients to arange a meeting.
During this time, Patsy Ramsey even directly telephoned the BPD but they would not speak to her.

And while all this arranging and instructing was going on, what exactly stopped the Ramseys from getting in their car and driving down to the station?

They managed to make it to CNN on their own.

 

[tipper]

And while all this arranging and instructing was going on, what exactly stopped the Ramseys from getting in their car and driving down to the station?

They managed to make it to CNN on their own.

Actually I believe CNN sent a taxi for them.

 

[sissi]

Shylock,I have read all of the material,(except the few backward speech,and psychic stuff),and I concluded they were most likely innocent,so this statement ya' just made to newtv ..shylock quote"I think your lack of in-depth knowledge about this case is what causes you to think they are innocent. When you learn the real details of the case your opinion may change like most people's does." Contrary to what you may think,the tide turned awhile back,many believe in their innocence,as it's difficult to hold on to a "Ramsey did it scenario" after gaining "in-depth" knowledge. IMO

The pageants were a possible source of exposure,true,however statistically we have recently learned some of the most at risk children are our altar boys. There are predators everywhere,in the alley,school,church,and sadly often among our friends and employees. The Ramseys were a bit elitist,they turned a lot of people off with their expectation of being treated as such,but that didn't make them killers. IMO

 

[Britt]

BPD would have gotten a lot further if they had treated the Ramseys as the Moxleys were treated or even as Susan Smith's sheriff treated her.

Yes, the Ramseys were more concerned about their delicate sensibilities being offended than they were about helping the investigation and solving the murder of their child. So timid and sensitive were they, poor dears, that they'd sooner cripple the investigation than risk having the cops be mean to them. Who can blame them? Those mean old Boulder cops might slip and speak harshly or even give a hard stare, or worse, treat them like regular people. And don't even get me started on the awful coffee they serve down there at the station. Oh, the horror.

 

[Britt]

Actually I believe CNN sent a taxi for them.

And what, BPD wouldn't send a taxi? Well, no wonder they refused to cooperate.

 

[tipper]

Yes, the Ramseys were more concerned about their delicate sensibilities being offended than they were about helping the investigation and solving the murder of their child. So timid and sensitive were they, poor dears, that they'd sooner cripple the investigation than risk having the cops be mean to them. Who can blame them? Those mean old Boulder cops might slip and speak harshly or even give a hard stare, or worse, treat them like regular people. And don't even get me started on the awful coffee they serve down there at the station. Oh, the horror.

I will remind you that Susan Smith's sheriff got a confession by handling her gently. Although at one point an agent named Caldwell nearly blew it by being tough and accusatory and making her angry and defensive.

Personally I expect to be treated decently by the police. I'd expect it if I was a victim, if my children were victims and especially if I wasn't even in the state when the crime happened.

Added: What if, by chance, Melinda had been an incest victim? Did the BPD make her feel safe? Did they build any lines of communication so she could come back later and be open with them? Did BPD know anything at all about questioning abuse victims?

 

[Shylock]

Burke was not involved- maybe yo need to do some reading- its preposterous anyhow- he was not just a boy but a tiny, skinny kid-how the hell did he do that much damage??

You have no idea how much the Globe paid because the settlement is sealed. It wasn't that much, because tabloids have been known to go to court if the settlement demand is too high. You must also not know that tabloids consider settlements part of the cost of doing business. So we will just have to agree to disagree about your knowledge of this case.
One thing is obvious though--If you think Burke (or any other 10 year old boy) couldn't crack the skull on a small 6-year old girl using a baseball bat, you know NOTHING about young boys.

 

[Shylock]

Shylock,I have read all of the material,(except the few backward speech,and psychic stuff),and I concluded they were most likely innocent,so this statement ya' just made to newtv ..

Notice in that statement I said "your opinion may change like most people's does". I am aware that there will always be people like you sissi, who are members of the Flat Earth Society. But it's not my place in life to try and understand them or make excuses for them...

 

[Shylock]

I will remind you that Susan Smith's sheriff got a confession by handling her gently. Although at one point an agent named Caldwell nearly blew it by being tough and accusatory and making her angry and defensive.

Tipper, Tipper, Tipper... We need to park you in front of a TV so you can watch a few police dramas--you don't even recognize the ol' standard "good cop/bad cop" interogation game. Worked like a charm on a low I.Q. hillbilly gal like Susan Smith, didn't it!

 

[Jayelles]

You see even this theory is optional to believe- they may have closed ranks because they were being accused and became concerned- however- there is other information their lawyer offered about the interviews they gave and that this idea wasnt even true-I would be outraged too if I didnt have anything to do with it and also was willing to cooperate but started to get the impression nothing I was saying was being believed because police seemed to have it solved without investigating the intruder theory..
not being argumentative- but a grand jury didnt offer an indictment and they had the real goods on th e case- not the spin.

The evidence isn't there to convict the Ramseys and if the Ramseys had just met with the police (WITHOUT laying down unreasonable conditions for those meetings which the police naturally wouldn't accept), then they could have been eliminated from police enquiries at an earlier stage in the investigation.

IMO, it would have been a whole different story. The Ramseys and their supporters can make as many excuses as they like for the Ramseys behaviour, but people won't buy it. John Ramsey asked the police for a day before answering questions - and he took over 4 months.

I take Tipper's point about the Ramseys being outraged at the police upsetting Melinda with their interview techniques, but Help Ma Boab! that's no reason to refuse to co-operate when there was a "killer on the loose". What was more important? The Ramseys' pride and feelings or a)catching the monster who murdered a precious 6 year old and b) stopping him from doing it again?

 

[DocWatson]

Sherlock concurs: no member of the family was involved in this brutal murder. The weight of the evidence:
a) points to an intruder;
b) points away from Patsy as RN writer
As in any case, one can always find selected pieces of evidence pointing to a particular person: that's why to this day, there continues to be fierce disagreement about who killed JFK--a murder committed in full view of cameras and thousands of people!!! Too many here (and some in LE such as Steve Thomas) make the amateur's mistake of focusing on one individual, amassing the evidence that points to that person and then ignoring or finding ways to discount all the contrary evidence--even when there is mountains of it!

A good detective starts with the evidence, sifts through it even-handedly, and then draws conclusions from the results, i.e., the weight of the evidence. Such a detective doesn't permit his/her judgment to be clouded by preconceived notions or biases. Those taking this approach will conclude that the family was not involved. Keep up the good sleuthing. You're on the right track.

 

[BlueCrab]

There was no intruder, and there's no evidence of an intruder. IMO there is some evidence of a fifth person in the house that night, but he was NOT an intruder. If there was a fifth person he had to have been invited into the house by a Ramsey.

There's no way an intruder would spend hours in an occupied house -- abducting a six-year-old girl, snacking on pineapple with her in the breakfast room, sexually assaulting her, killing her including making an elaborate sexual device, writing a three-page fake ransom note, and escaping from the house never to be heard from again.

And there's no way the Ramseys would help stage the crime scene to look like something it wasn't and repeatedly lie and carry out an elaborate coverup to protect this intruder. Common sense tells us an intruder wouldn't have a need to stage the crime scene; only a Ramsey would have this need.

One of the three Ramseys killed JonBenet or knows who killed her.

JMO

 

[sissi]

Gee,"flat earth society"? Ha! caustic yet cute
No ,Shylock,I believe in looking at all evidence. That ransom note isn't strong enough to point to
Patsy,as LE themselves stated there were others that couldn't be excluded (not that they wrote it either),this leads me to believe "print" can't be linked to a person in the way their cursive can .To boot,it's just not difficult to copy the print of others,much easier than forging their handwriting,(btw there are many that are adept at this as well),and a few of the suspects had samples to use as a reference. Someone had her day planner,someone else had lists of notes,another had a stack of santa letters. IMO

 

[Shylock]

The weight of the evidence.....
A good detective starts with the evidence.....

DocWatson, it's obvious that you like the word "evidence" a lot. So much so, that you make up your own.

There is NO EVIDENCE which proves anyone other than the Ramseys was in the house that night. Your claim that a "good detective starts with the evidence" is silly, because ALL DETECTIVES start with the evidence. A GOOD detective doesn't make an entire case out of evidence that can't even be dated to the week, and sometimes even the month of the crime.

When you take away all of the FALSE EVIDENCE that can't be dated to the night of the crime, the Ramsey "intruder" completely vanishes into a vapor of fantasy and wishful thinking.

 

[Shylock]

To boot,it's just not difficult to copy the print of others,much easier than forging their handwriting,(btw there are many that are adept at this as well),and a few of the suspects had samples to use as a reference. Someone had her day planner,someone else had lists of notes,another had a stack of santa letters. IMO

Ya know sissi, I will agree with you. Just like there IS a chance that the same person might get struck by lightening a dozen times, there is the chance (however miniscule) that someone actually framed Patsy for the murder by collecting, studying, and learning to impersonate her writing.

So tell me, sissi. Just what do you think sweet lil' ol' Patsy Ramsey did to someone that caused them to hate her so much that they conspired to violently murder her daughter and make it appear Patsy did it to get even with her?

And don't you think that if Patsy pissed someone off that much, she would know it, and would have named that person as THE prime suspect in the blink of her false eyelashes?

 

[tipper]

Tipper, Tipper, Tipper... We need to park you in front of a TV so you can watch a few police dramas--you don't even recognize the ol' standard "good cop/bad cop" interogation game. Worked like a charm on a low I.Q. hillbilly gal like Susan Smith, didn't it!

Shylock, Shylock, Shylock... If I watch many more police dramas I shall be able to recite them from memory.

This was not a "good cop/bad cop" situation. This was an interview with the sheriff long after she'd been sentenced. He was clearly still angry that the blustering Caldwell had nearly blown their chance at a confession. They needed one badly since they had very little good evidence to offer up in a court case. That was one of the reasons it caught my eye. You so seldom see one LE branch openly criticize another.

 

[Shylock]

This was not a "good cop/bad cop" situation. This was an interview with the sheriff long after she'd been sentenced. He was clearly still angry that the blustering Caldwell had nearly blown their chance at a confession.

Tipper, I understand where you are coming from, but don't you think the psycology was the same from Susan Smith's point of view? Poor little Susan melted in the nice warm Sheriff's words for fear of being turned back over to that nasty ol' Caldwell. Isn't that a classic "good cop/bad cop" scenerio if there ever was one?

 

[tipper]

You have a point. But if that was what was in Caldwell's mind I don't think he shared it with Sheriff Wells.

Anyway, I still think if BPD had had someone like Sheriff Wells instead of Eller driving the attitude towards the Ramseys then I think they would have been more likely to talk openly with the police and at some point (if they had guilty knowledge) one of them, probably Patsy, would have said something useful. Instead BPD unfortunately confirmed the idea ( true or not) that they weren't interested in nailing anyone other than a Ramsey for this crime.

Got to go devote my day to the laundry, which didn't get done yesterday.

 

[K777angel]

There is no evidence of an intruder at the crime scene.
There IS however - ample evidence that JonBenet's mother at the very least staged and covered up this crime.
Her jacket fibers were INTER-TWINED in the knot on the cord around her neck.
Her jacket fibers were discovered in the paint tote where the other half of the broken paint brush was that was used in the cord around JonBenet's neck.
The ransom note was written by Patsy. Aside from the handwriting itself - her linguistics are all over that note.
They lied about Burke being awake that morning. WHY?? What the heck difference does it make? When a possible suspect (who had opportunity) LIES about an insignificant fact in the case - red flags are raised. They are hiding something.
The child's body was carefully wrapped and laid on a blanket. Her favorite nightie lay close by. Actions done by someone who CARED about her and was remorseful. Not some crazed stranger.
The body was left even though there was a "ransom" note left stating they wanted $$$$. Complete diversion tactic. False. A lie.
The list goes on.

One of the Ramseys caused the death of JonBenet. I believe accidentally and the scene was staged by Patsy and possibly John too- in order to cover it up. FBI crime experts state this is true.