"I don't think my daughter's... my granddaughter's birth is plotting this murder"

[Curious Me]

I remember, someplace in Cindy's interviews I think, she mentioned that Lee was sick in h.s. having a bad reaction to acne medication. He had to stay home for a long time. Casey would keep him company. Since then, Lee has held his sister in high esteem. Do you remember that story?

The other thing I wonder if anyone ever mentioned was when Casey was talking to Lee in a jail visit about getting word out to the public from her own words - she said the word "mother" very strangely, like it really hit her realizing she had been the mother. It was just the way she said that one word "mother" that I found revealing. I'd love to hear if anyone else noticed that.

I agree, the intuition Casey felt that Caylee was close to home and okay was just a stall tactic. She never had that bond or motherly intuition. I do think Cindy did. It can be torture when you sense something is going on with your child you need to find out about because it's that weird nagging feeling you can't ignore. Cindy may have been feeling that for 31 days, but couldn't get the real story from Casey. Cindy's feeling something was wrong sure was right.

 

[karenmamo]

I remember, someplace in Cindy's interviews I think, she mentioned that Lee was sick in h.s. having a bad reaction to acne medication. He had to stay home for a long time. Casey would keep him company. Since then, Lee has held his sister in high esteem. Do you remember that story? .

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Yes. Also in the comments Cindy made about this time in Lee's life, she said that was when he quit believing in God..something to that effect.

 

[Curious Me]

Thanks Karenmamo. I don't remember that - during the time period Lee was home sick that he quit believing in God? I will listen to that again.

Wasn't Casey the sweet little sister hanging out in his room when he went through a long boring recovery? I see a Leave it to Beaver type of family type of thing going on. Perfect Mom the ever lovely Cindy, George cheerfully saying "yes, dear", Lee the stunned into giggles adolescent, and Casey the pure-as-the driven-snow daughter. Wait! Was that kool-aid I drank?

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Thanks Karenmamo. I don't remember that - during the time period Lee was home sick that he quit believing in God? I will listen to that again.

Wasn't Casey the sweet little sister hanging out in his room when he went through a long boring recovery? I see a Leave it to Beaver type of family type of thing going on. Perfect Mom the ever lovely Cindy, George cheerfully saying "yes, dear", Lee the stunned into giggles adolescent, and Casey the pure-as-the driven-snow daughter. Wait! Was that kool-aid I drank?

I believe you have been a drinkin' but I don't think it was Kool Aid :drink:

 

[TinaD]

Maybe the secret that a lot of people here have been speculating occurred a few years ago was not KC killing another baby, but attacking and injuring Lee? - hemce his time off school etc. Lee's comment about this being "like before" may have been referring to a total loss of control by KC ending in physical assault - only this time with more disastrous consequences.

I do think something happened, and that it involved KC being physically aggressive. After all, the other behaviour of hers such as lying, stealing etc doesn't automatically mean she would be violent and yet CA says "what have you done" as though violence is a distinct possibility.

JMO

 

[TripleA]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224553.pdf

#7532
"I mean Casey's a lot like um, I am as far as regards, I would lay down my life for all my children. If I knew right now that someone picked up the phone and says Mrs Anthony pick up a butcher knife and put it through your heart and we'll return Caylee, I would do it without question."

Cindy then went on to imply Casey would do the same thing. They're almost the same person, you see.

Doesn't she mean both of her children?

 

[TinaD]

Doesn't she mean both of her children?

Interesting - anyone who didn't know much about the case who read that would think that Caylee is CA's child.

Whoops" edited to correct "Casey" to "Caylee" - should post before coffee

 

[lin]

Interesting - anyone who didn't know much about the case who read that would think that Casey is CA's child.

Or that CA had more than two...

(Or is that what you meant? Maybe a typo?)

 

[lin]

Has anyone posted this quote from CA's recently released statement yet?

 

[Mystic]

Has anyone posted this quote from CA's recently released statement yet?

Not that I know of...

Wow, guess she admitted to all the evidence of Caylee's death in the car.

 

[Curious Me]

Cindy sees herself as Mother of the Household, Earth Mother, Mother knows Best, Mother of three children, the Mother that keeps on giving and giving ----after all, that fits best with HER MARTYR ROLE.

1 : a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion (or daughter's innocense)
2 : a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle
3 : victim; especially : a great or constant sufferer

Which really fits in with what she said:

"I mean Casey's a lot like um, I am as far as regards, I would lay down my life for all my children. If I knew right now that someone picked up the phone and says Mrs Anthony pick up a butcher knife and put it through your heart and we'll return Caylee, I would do it without question."

TinaD - can you provide more info about the "like before" statement? You think Casey's rage was an ongoing problem?

 

[NocturnalLady]

Has anyone posted this quote from CA's recently released statement yet?

I like how in the same breath she claims Casey is too smart to make a dumb mistake but not smart enough to plot to murder.

Plotting a murder is the easy part. Getting away with it is what is hard. And Casey's crime falls right within those lines.

 

[NocturnalLady]

Doesn't she mean both of her children?

No - she meant all of her children, including Caylee as one of her own. It's clear that Cindy thought of and behaved as if Caylee was hers. I just don't think she means to let us all know that.

 

[Lynni]

Going back a few pages on this thread, I think KC had been plotting this for a long time and also her offing parents, hence her big story about someone wanting to hurt the family. In the jailhouse interview, she sticks with the notion that someone took Caylee and Cindy went on to ask her if there was someone who was threatening their family. KC got all choked up and said to just let it be.

I wonder if she wanted everyone to believe there was this group or person who would take Caylee and then eventually, GA & CA would end up dead and it would be tied in with the kidnapping. All the while, it being KC who did it. Just a thought. maybe she isn't that smart to pull it off, but maybe she was trying to lay the groundwork. The more I think about it, the more confused I get. :bang:

 

[Chiquita71]

Has anyone posted this quote from CA's recently released statement yet?

Quote repect lin: thank you for posting this.

"Especially if the car had all this evidence that's gonna link her to Caylee's death in it."

Was this interview before they found Caylee's remains? I know that Cindy is speaking in defense of what she knows LE thinks: Casey killed Caylee and that is why she is trying to "logic" LE out of it. Like she was in her confused statement "I don't think my daughters..." Showing them her logic.

...jmo...

 

[strach304]

Going back a few pages on this thread, I think KC had been plotting this for a long time and also her offing parents, hence her big story about someone wanting to hurt the family. In the jailhouse interview, she sticks with the notion that someone took Caylee and Cindy went on to ask her if there was someone who was threatening their family. KC got all choked up and said to just let it be.

I wonder if she wanted everyone to believe there was this group or person who would take Caylee and then eventually, GA & CA would end up dead and it would be tied in with the kidnapping. All the while, it being KC who did it. Just a thought. maybe she isn't that smart to pull it off, but maybe she was trying to lay the groundwork. The more I think about it, the more confused I get. :bang:

I think it was just another evasion tactic of Casey's not to answer the question yes or no. Not to be specific but vague and open to suggestions that others gave her and run with it. If she had said yes then she would need a who and why. No would mean something else for which she couldn't later back out of.

I believe this is exactly what happened at the house when Cindy said "who took her" She gave Casey the suggestion and she ran with it. No story about JG at that time or anyone else. Up to that point Casey wouldn't say what happened to Caylee or where she was other than the old usual "she's with zanny". Her excuse all the time.

 

[lin]

I think it was just another evasion tactic of Casey's not to answer the question yes or no. Not to be specific but vague and open to suggestions that others gave her and run with it. If she had said yes then she would need a who and why. No would mean something else for which she couldn't later back out of.

I believe this is exactly what happened at the house when Cindy said "who took her" She gave Casey the suggestion and she ran with it. No story about JG at that time or anyone else. Up to that point Casey wouldn't say what happened to Caylee or where she was other than the old usual "she's with zanny". Her excuse all the time.

'cos KC's never had an original thought in her life...

 

[lin]

Quote repect lin: thank you for posting this.

"Especially if the car had all this evidence that's gonna link her to Caylee's death in it."

Was this interview before they found Caylee's remains? I know that Cindy is speaking in defense of what she knows LE thinks: Casey killed Caylee and that is why she is trying to "logic" LE out of it. Like she was in her confused statement "I don't think my daughters..." Showing them her logic.

...jmo...

This is from the interview most recently released; definitely prior to remains; very early on; harping on Wanda at the airport, blah blah blah.

ETA: Here's the link from the op with CA's starting around page 33 of the pdf, iirc.

 

[karenmamo]

Your two cents is worth more than that. Thanks for the food for thought, fellow Websluether.

I agree, Casey did have issues before the birth of Caylee. I, too, wonder if something changed her behavior dramatically at the end of h.s. Getting a job is not holding down a job. Having a baby is not loving a baby. I see your point that from the outside she looked like a good girl. So, what happened?

On the other hand, was the end of h.s. about the time Casey, herself, started to realize she was somehow different than her friends. Maybe she couldn't really feel these emotions people described like love, deep remorse, what it feels like to be genuine. Please don't think I'm labeling as a diagnosis, but I do see such definite NPD tendencies in Casey.

Narcissists often sense they're not like everyone else. It starts to show when young adult situations make it more obvious to them. Then, they may start calling themselves "special" and move above guilt, remorse, and the law. They're so different that they're entitled to lie to you or take what they need. Was this quietly coming out alittle more every year? Did Cindy ever notice something missing in Casey?

Casey seemed out of touch with her motherly feelings. I've noticed Casey kept describing how a mother would feel by using Cindy's descriptions of the motherly connection - the bond and how a mother can sense things intuitively. She even told Lee in jail that Mom would understand that feeling. Wonder if it was because she just plain could not feel that real love for Caylee. I felt that was Cindy's description, not how Casey felt about Caylee.

It's just not that simple, is it? We can all learn how to be better, more loving, more honest from this case. I may lose my own mind before the verdict is finally read tho'!

There are millions of children out there we need to protect better. May we all be more aware today of your own personal power to do so.

You said:...I, too, wonder if something changed her behavior dramatically at the end of h.s. Getting a job is not holding down a job. Having a baby is not loving a baby. I see your point that from the outside she looked like a good girl. So, what happened?

On the other hand, was the end of h.s. about the time Casey, herself, started to realize she was somehow different than her friends. Maybe she couldn't really feel these emotions people described like love, deep remorse, what it feels like to be genuine.
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I cannot answer this for you, but I have wondered about this time period since the beginning of this case. Something happened-something changed. IMO

 

[lin]

Cindy sees herself as Mother of the Household, Earth Mother, Mother knows Best, Mother of three children, the Mother that keeps on giving and giving ----after all, that fits best with HER MARTYR ROLE.

1 : a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion (or daughter's innocense)
2 : a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle
3 : victim; especially : a great or constant sufferer

Which really fits in with what she said:

"I mean Casey's a lot like um, I am as far as regards, I would lay down my life for all my children. If I knew right now that someone picked up the phone and says Mrs Anthony pick up a butcher knife and put it through your heart and we'll return Caylee, I would do it without question."

TinaD - can you provide more info about the "like before" statement? You think Casey's rage was an ongoing problem?

I know what she meant by that comment but the way it came off to me... well... "obnoxious" and "incredible" come to mind, among lots of other things better left untyped.