"I don't think my daughter's... my granddaughter's birth is plotting this murder"

[azwriter]

Exactly. It is just so typical A...trying to have their way.


In CA's warped reasoning: If Caylee is murdered and not missing. Then her murder was plotted out. And if it was plotted out...then there is no way it could be KC...because KC was a good mother. And incapable of plotting anything. Therefore, only SODDI...like Amy H...in retaliation...or JG...or any other number of people to throw under the bus.

If Caylee is merely missing...then clearly it is the nanny. The nanny who gave KC movies and a hair straightener. Because no way KC couldn't have just gone to the store with CA's credit card and purchased those items. It couldn't be KC who kidnapped Caylee because Zanny took her to GA, NC, PR, NY...places that KC can't even spell or find on a map.

Despite her warped reasoning to LE...I do find her statement telling. It was as if she had acknowlegded that Caylee was dead. Her death was not accidental and the death was premeditated. And made the decision to protect KC since nothing more could be done for Caylee. Her statement as disjointed as it is...also reflects what I believe the A's cannot accept...that KC had about as much feeling for her child as a two year old would for a various toy.

Great post Littlebitty. But I wanted to add that I believe Cindy's overwhelming motive to support Casey and her innocence is that Cindy's main focus is herself. In no way does she want to be the mother of a cruel, cold daughter who could kill her own child. How other's see her matters very much to Cindy.
jmo

 

[DotsEyes]

So KC told Kio Maria the truth? Well, that would be a first.

 

[kaRN]

Lol! Didn't CA's brother say that CA denied KC was pregnant at his wedding, where she would have been approximately 7 months along?

That's my understanding. KC was having female problems and was a virgin.

 

[NocturnalLady]

I picked up on another statement that was a tad of a freudian slip by CA. "I heard from KC's friends that KC thought I was to controoling. I asked her, 'Why do you say that? I told you you could move out with the stipulation that, "You must have a way to support Caylee, not be going from house to house, and a job is neccesary, bla bla bla" "So I gave her space." CA even states KC said, (same page), "I'v been thinking about moving out. Jeffrey and I are thinking about being a family." I have no idea if this conversation would have taken place before or after Cayleey's murder. For me this page is important as it alludes to CA maybe knowing KC wasn't working, staying from house to house. I think KC through this out as away to see CA's reaction to not having Caylee in her home or it was another manipulation to evade and avoid.

ITA. CA knew she didn't have a job and knew Casey was dragging Caylee along on a nomadic lifestyle. I think this was a topic of conversation for at least some time before Caylee's murder. I think that it just finally reached a boiling point.

 

[NocturnalLady]

Great post Littlebitty. But I wanted to add that I believe Cindy's overwhelming motive to support Casey and her innocence is that Cindy's main focus is herself. In no way does she want to be the mother of a cruel, cold daughter who could kill her own child. How other's see her matters very much to Cindy.
jmo

:clap::clap::clap:

Well said. That was a three clap post.

 

[believe09]

How about the change of address card for Amy...?

Cindy for sure was going to die IMO. She was supposedly the one getting the apartment, right?

OMG. This girl was about to kick off a rampage. Seeing what really happens when someone dies must have stopped her-seeing the results of her handiwork with Caylee.

I mean what kind of person leaves the car where her mother could see it on her way to work? This was QUITE a message Casey was delivering to her parents. Or at least her mother...

 

[pferrin]

This may have already been pointed out..on page 51 Cindy states that until she knew Zanny's real name..Zaneida F R ...R...I think this is the first time I have seen R ...Isn't it G. Is this a slip of some sort?

 

[Tuffy]

This may have already been pointed out..on page 51 Cindy states that until she knew Zanny's real name..Zaneida F R...R...I think this is the first time I have seen R...Isn't it G. Is this a slip of some sort?

I think it was a slip up on Cindy's part. She messed up a couple of names during the interview. She mixed up Wendy/Wanda at some point too.

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

You guys are way ahead of me in here. I just posted re: ZR in the "zanny, xanax, other made up names forum. You have already covered that. It seems you all were left with the same feeling as I after reading this interview with Cindy. I was writing some down to come back and vent to WS and I had to stop the more and more it got to placing the blame for Caylee's "kidnapping" on anyone other than Casey and more specifically: AH, TL, RM, JG. I really had to stop reading it.
You brought up AH change of address card: I will post the statement under AH or whatever thread so as to look at it and have it with the thread...I am amazed that Casey did go so far as to have AH think she should or could fill out a change of address form.

I am going to post the section of Cindy's FBI statement that contains the subject of this thread. For what I think is "full context" we go back to where Cindy speaks of ZGR: because the thread title statement is a part of that whole train of thought by Cindy.

CA: Um, Casey has stated now for a while there, Zanny has referred to as Zaneida. Um, I never knew Zaneida's full name ZFR until not too long ago. Maybe a month or so ago. The babysitter's name was always Zanny for short just like I am Cindy short for Cynthia. My friends don't call my Cynthia they call Cindy. So, Zanny has been someone she's spoken with pretty much just before or right around Caylee's birth. So almost three years she's been in conversation. You know that she had met this person through a friend she had met at Universal Studios. And this person um, was a um, young man who was a single dad and he has a son that's a year older than Caylee so Zachery's gonna be four and Caylee's gonna be three. And they're about a month apart you know a year and a month apart. And so you know this is one compelling thing I don't think my granddaughter's...my granddaughter's birth is plotting this murder for my grandchild so this person's not been made up in the last month or two okay?

I still do not know what I think she means by this last line. I may listen to the audio and see if that is exactly what is said. How accurate to the transcribed docs for the public have to be?
In context it seems she is establishing:

Two people: Zanny and a single dad with a son who knew Caylee from her birth and that,
Who ever is or isn't, was or wasn't plotting murder since Caylee's birth
Has "not been made up in the last month or two okay?"

...jmo...

 

[justsaying]

Hello WS

You guys are way ahead of me in here. I just posted re: ZFR in the "zanny, xanax, other made up names forum. You have already covered that. It seems you all were left with the same feeling as I after reading this interview with Cindy. I was writing some down to come back and vent to WS and I had to stop the more and more it got to placing the blame for Caylee's "kidnapping" on anyone other than Casey and more specifically: AH, TL, RM, JG. I really had to stop reading it.
You brought up AH change of address card: I will post the statement under AH or whatever thread so as to look at it and have it with the thread...I am amazed that Casey did go so far as to have AH think she should or could fill out a change of address form.

I am going to post the section of Cindy's FBI statement that contains the subject of this thread. For what I think is "full context" we go back to where Cindy speaks of ZGR: because the thread title statement is a part of that whole train of thought by Cindy.

CA: Um, Casey has stated now for a while there, Zanny has referred to as Zaneida. Um, I never knew Zaneida's full name ZFR until not too long ago. Maybe a month or so ago. The babysitter's name was always Zanny for short just like I am Cindy short for Cynthia. My friends don't call my Cynthia they call Cindy. So, Zanny has been someone she's spoken with pretty much just before or right around Caylee's birth. So almost three years she's been in conversation. You know that she had met this person through a friend she had met at Universal Studios. And this person um, was a um, young man who was a single dad and he has a son that's a year older than Caylee so Zachery's gonna be four and Caylee's gonna be three. And they're about a month apart you know a year and a month apart. And so you know this is one compelling thing I don't think my granddaughter's...my granddaughter's birth is plotting this murder for my grandchild so this person's not been made up in the last month or two okay?

I still do not know what I think she means by this last line. I may listen to the audio and see if that is exactly what is said. How accurate to the transcribed docs for the public have to be?
In context it seems she is establishing:

Two people: Zanny and a single dad with a son who knew Caylee from her birth and that,
Who ever is or isn't, was or wasn't plotting murder since Caylee's birth
Has "not been made up in the last month or two okay?"

...jmo...

Just a guess, but, I think in CA disjointed thinking and speaking, she may be saying that KC had known this ZG person from around Caylee's birth, and being someone who had known Caylee from birth would not have been plotting her murder, and that this person was real and hadn't been made up in the last two months.
I think I just reposted exactly what Chiquita said. Is this scary that we may be making sense of Cindyspeak>

 

[MaedchenX]

How about the change of address card for Amy...?

Cindy for sure was going to die IMO. She was supposedly the one getting the apartment, right?

OMG. This girl was about to kick off a rampage. Seeing what really happens when someone dies must have stopped her-seeing the results of her handiwork with Caylee.

I mean what kind of person leaves the car where her mother could see it on her way to work? This was QUITE a message Casey was delivering to her parents. Or at least her mother...

I don't think George would have been allowed to walk away from Casey's plans either. Wasn't she going around saying that he had a stroke at this time?

 

[MysticOne]

Hello WS

You guys are way ahead of me in here. I just posted re: ZFR in the "zanny, xanax, other made up names forum. You have already covered that. It seems you all were left with the same feeling as I after reading this interview with Cindy. I was writing some down to come back and vent to WS and I had to stop the more and more it got to placing the blame for Caylee's "kidnapping" on anyone other than Casey and more specifically: AH, TL, RM, JG. I really had to stop reading it.
You brought up AH change of address card: I will post the statement under AH or whatever thread so as to look at it and have it with the thread...I am amazed that Casey did go so far as to have AH think she should or could fill out a change of address form.

I am going to post the section of Cindy's FBI statement that contains the subject of this thread. For what I think is "full context" we go back to where Cindy speaks of ZGR: because the thread title statement is a part of that whole train of thought by Cindy.

CA: Um, Casey has stated now for a while there, Zanny has referred to as Zaneida. Um, I never knew Zaneida's full name ZFR until not too long ago. Maybe a month or so ago. The babysitter's name was always Zanny for short just like I am Cindy short for Cynthia. My friends don't call my Cynthia they call Cindy. So, Zanny has been someone she's spoken with pretty much just before or right around Caylee's birth. So almost three years she's been in conversation. You know that she had met this person through a friend she had met at Universal Studios. And this person um, was a um, young man who was a single dad and he has a son that's a year older than Caylee so Zachery's gonna be four and Caylee's gonna be three. And they're about a month apart you know a year and a month apart. And so you know this is one compelling thing I don't think my granddaughter's...my granddaughter's birth is plotting this murder for my grandchild so this person's not been made up in the last month or two okay?

I still do not know what I think she means by this last line. I may listen to the audio and see if that is exactly what is said. How accurate to the transcribed docs for the public have to be?
In context it seems she is establishing:

Two people: Zanny and a single dad with a son who knew Caylee from her birth and that,
Who ever is or isn't, was or wasn't plotting murder since Caylee's birth
Has "not been made up in the last month or two okay?"

...jmo...

I think you are correct. Goes to show the importance of things being taken out of context. It appears that Cindy is trying to say (in a way only Cindy can), is that Zanny was not someone Casey just met (or made up) in connection to Caylee's disappearance, but someone Casey knew from since Caylee was born. Therefore, if you (LE) were to believe that Casey made up Zanny for the purpose of covering up Caylee's murder, it would have to have been a plot from the time Caylee was born, which of course would not make any sense.

Not that I or any of us believe the Zanny story, at this point Cindy is trying to convince the FBI to believe there was a Zanny and has been a Zanny from the time Caylee was born.

Just goes down in a long list of "Cindyisms". I actually feel very sorry for NS in having to listen to this craziness drone on for hours on end.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Thank God for all of you. Even in context my head was swimming. I couldn't even fathom having to sit there in person and listen to this, I'd need MANY stiff drinks and a xanax myself! LOL!

When these came out I listened to every word and couldn't make head nor tails of how much she actually went into her AH, RM theory. I (and I can't believe I'm admitting this) understand the way she was linking them to being Zanny because at that point that's what she wanted to/had to believe.

I do believe Casey was going to kill CA and GA, I've thought that since the beginning. They are really lucky to be alive IMO.

(still not believing I understood Cindy's train of thought.)

 

[Tuffy]

Hello WS

You guys are way ahead of me in here. I just posted re: ZR in the "zanny, xanax, other made up names forum. You have already covered that. It seems you all were left with the same feeling as I after reading this interview with Cindy. I was writing some down to come back and vent to WS and I had to stop the more and more it got to placing the blame for Caylee's "kidnapping" on anyone other than Casey and more specifically: AH, TL, RM, JG. I really had to stop reading it.
You brought up AH change of address card: I will post the statement under AH or whatever thread so as to look at it and have it with the thread...I am amazed that Casey did go so far as to have AH think she should or could fill out a change of address form.

I am going to post the section of Cindy's FBI statement that contains the subject of this thread. For what I think is "full context" we go back to where Cindy speaks of ZGR: because the thread title statement is a part of that whole train of thought by Cindy.

CA: Um, Casey has stated now for a while there, Zanny has referred to as Zaneida. Um, I never knew Zaneida's full name ZFR until not too long ago. Maybe a month or so ago. The babysitter's name was always Zanny for short just like I am Cindy short for Cynthia. My friends don't call my Cynthia they call Cindy. So, Zanny has been someone she's spoken with pretty much just before or right around Caylee's birth. So almost three years she's been in conversation. You know that she had met this person through a friend she had met at Universal Studios. And this person um, was a um, young man who was a single dad and he has a son that's a year older than Caylee so Zachery's gonna be four and Caylee's gonna be three. And they're about a month apart you know a year and a month apart. And so you know this is one compelling thing I don't think my granddaughter's...my granddaughter's birth is plotting this murder for my grandchild so this person's not been made up in the last month or two okay?

I still do not know what I think she means by this last line. I may listen to the audio and see if that is exactly what is said. How accurate to the transcribed docs for the public have to be?
In context it seems she is establishing:

Two people: Zanny and a single dad with a son who knew Caylee from her birth and that,
Who ever is or isn't, was or wasn't plotting murder since Caylee's birth
Has "not been made up in the last month or two okay?"

...jmo...

An interesting thing about CA getting ZFG's name wrong, calling her ZR, is that the nanny has supposedly been in their lives since Caylee's birth.

In all this time, CA has only know her as, Zanny. She is so unfamiliar with her "real" name that in an important interview she gives the wrong last name? ZG is not even close to ZG, only that they are both Hispanic in origin.

 

[Chiquita71]

Just a guess, but, I think in CA disjointed thinking and speaking, she may be saying that KC had known this ZG person from around Caylee's birth, and being someone who had known Caylee from birth would not have been plotting her murder, and that this person was real and hadn't been made up in the last two months.
I think I just reposted exactly what Chiquita said. Is this scary that we may be making sense of Cindyspeak>

Yes.

I think you are correct. Goes to show the importance of things being taken out of context. It appears that Cindy is trying to say (in a way only Cindy can), is that Zanny was not someone Casey just met (or made up) in connection to Caylee's disappearance, but someone Casey knew from since Caylee was born. Therefore, if you (LE) were to believe that Casey made up Zanny for the purpose of covering up Caylee's murder, it would have to have been a plot from the time Caylee was born, which of course would not make any sense.

Not that I or any of us believe the Zanny story, at this point Cindy is trying to convince the FBI to believe there was a Zanny and has been a Zanny from the time Caylee was born.

Yes. ITA with both of you. Now.

Why, if you "were to believe that Casey made up Zanny for the purpose of covering Caylee's murder" would it have had to have been a plot from the time Caylee was born? Is it because it was Zanny that took her and because she(zanny)had known Caylee since she was born that it had to have been a plot since birth? It could still be Zanny that did it but came up with murder for Caylee much later. No one else has brought up this being a plot from birth. Even though Cindy knows LE thinks Casey killed Caylee who says it was a plot from birth?
Only Cindy.

My next question is: with this statement being in July of 2008, and Caylee's remains having not been found until December(please correct if wrong)why would Cindy use the word murder? Maybe only because she is "fighting" LE's conclusion that Casey murdered Caylee.

(Posted by MysticOne)Just goes down in a long list of "Cindyisms". I actually feel very sorry for NS in having to listen to this craziness drone on for hours on end.

Yes. Me too. It is hard to read/listen to her.

...jmo...

 

[angeleleven]

Cindy's entire interview with the FBI flabbergasted me!! It seemed like she kept switching between wanting to prove there was a ZFG and (in case they didn't believe that) that Casey was using the ZFG character to try to give clues as to who "really" took Caylee. It seemed like the only thing Cindy was sure of was that Casey didn't do anything wrong.

But the most upsetting portion was the questionnaire that must be a standard for the FBI to use in their interviews. Cindy was supposed to give them answers about what she knew about Casey ~ how she thought, acted, reacted to situations and a general history. I noticed that throughout this entire portion Cindy seemed to talk more about herself than Casey. I found myself saying, "He's talking about Casey, Cindy, not you." It's like she loses sense of who this is really all about ~ I ended up in a horrible mood for the rest of the day! Obviously, MOO.

Probably because she is just like KC in the sense everything is about me, me, me, I, I, I.............KC and CA are just alike...everything is about them.

 

[MysticOne]

Yes.





My next question is: with this statement being in July of 2008, and Caylee's remains having not been found until December(please correct if wrong)why would Cindy use the word murder? Maybe only because she is "fighting" LE's conclusion that Casey murdered Caylee.

...

Yes, I think that is exactly what Cindy is doing here, trying to head off the FBI in their line of thought that Casey murdered Caylee. Even though at this point, it was still technically a missing child only, Cindy knew what the FBI (all LE actually) were thinking and trying (unsuccessfully) to show them the errors in their line of thinking. Again, only Cindy could do this is such a disastrous way.

I can't read Cindy's statements anymore, it just twists my mind like a pretzel!

 

[MissJames]

Just a guess, but, I think in CA disjointed thinking and speaking, she may be saying that KC had known this ZG person from around Caylee's birth, and being someone who had known Caylee from birth would not have been plotting her murder, and that this person was real and hadn't been made up in the last two months.
I think I just reposted exactly what Chiquita said. Is this scary that we may be making sense of Cindyspeak>

I'm going to take a stab at it.......Casey would not have made up the nanny as far back as Caylee's birth in order to implicate her in Caylee's murder 3 years later.
CA knew LE believed Zanny was made up in order to cover Caylee's disappearance. Since Casey had been talking about her since around Caylee's birth she was not made up to cover a murder.

Well Cindy,she was actually made up to cover the fact Casey didn't have a job and didn't need a nanny.The imaginanny just came in handy after the murder.

 

[akashana]

I think that Zanny the Nanny was invented originally to makethe As and the Grunds believe KC had someone safe and responsible to watch over Caylee while KC did whatever she did when she was supposed to be working. I think that over time she evolved into a catch-all convenience for KC, then finally morphed into the one who literally would "catch all," i.e., a kidnapping/murder charge.

 

[Tuffy]

I think that Zanny the Nanny was invented originally to makethe As and the Grunds believe KC had someone safe and responsible to watch over Caylee while KC did whatever she did when she was supposed to be working. I think that over time she evolved into a catch-all convenience for KC, then finally morphed into the one who literally would "catch all," i.e., a kidnapping/murder charge.

I think KC made up friends, boyfriends, coworkers, bosses, and various other people going way back. I think they were convenient to have around to cover for lies. She may have had an imaginary Zanny around for a long time, just like she had "Jeff" the boyfriend.

All of these "people" came in real handy when she started telling the kidnapping stories.