I no longer believe that...

[eileenhawkeye]

Considering that Deborah hasn't been arrested, claims of KCPD framing her have no merit.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Considering that Deborah hasn't been arrested, claims of KCPD framing her have no merit.

I'm not sure anyone tried to frame her, but I think KCMO would like to try and force a confession out of her. MOO there is a difference. :moo:

 

[Little Ol Me]

I remember her saying something similar, but I thought she said she read or seen enough crimes to know they would look at the parents first, but yes she did say she used to follow some true crime stories to some extent. I can't remember the exact wording either, it was in the very early stages of the case.

I believe this discussion is in reference to something Dan Abrams said, that Deborah relayed to him.

Dan Abrams..."Youy know it is interesting because Debroah was saying she's been involved--watched a lot of these cases on television, for example, and always assumed that it was the parents. She says this has totally changed her perspective on cases like this."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisas-parents-microscope-14752251

 

[Jacie Estes]

I reiterate why is deborah not cooperating with LE, if she is innocent nothing can incriminate her at all, are kansas police famous for framing people???


The woman is guilty for getting drunk that is all

Deborah and Jeremy both spoke with KCMO-PD several times after Lisa went missing.

Having lived in KCMO and remembering the Porter children case and the Summer Shipp case, it isn't unusual for a long time to elapse after someone has gone missing. In both the Porter and Shipp cases it was confessions that led LE to the bodies.

 

[Little Ol Me]

Lisa probably weighed 18-20 lbs, she would easily fit into a 5 gallon bucket.

I'm sure that DB said that Lisa's weight was 26 to 30 lbs.
Her poster says 30 lbs.

 

[KsStormy]

I'm sure that DB said that Lisa's weight was 26 to 30 lbs.
Her poster says 30 lbs.

I don't believe a single thing she says.

 

[cityslick]

So, because LE has never SAID that anyone saw her on Monday, there is still the possibility that she wasn't seen on Monday. She could have died Monday just as well as Tuesday. I believe she is no longer with us and believe she COULD have died on Sunday night or Monday. My opinion.

Is there any sort of link or quote that indicates that LE has changed when they believe BL went missing?

 

[norest4thewicked]

I'm sure that DB said that Lisa's weight was 26 to 30 lbs.
Her poster says 30 lbs.

I don't agree with this just from appearance. Lisa looks like an average little girl...certainly not huge...which she would look at 30 # and 10 months. My little granddaughter, for example, is 16 months and just Friday my daughter took her to the doctors for a checkup and she is 21#. I think that DB just guessed at her weight and was way off. Of course, I can't prove this, but it is just my guesstimate because of the way that Lisa looked.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'm sure that DB said that Lisa's weight was 26 to 30 lbs.
Her poster says 30 lbs.

What was said and what is fact are clearly not the same. Lisa would have set some records if she was 10 months old and weighed 30 lbs. 22-24 lbs would put her in the 99th percentile. Logic does not conclude that Lisa weighed 30 lbs.

18-20 is a far better estimate since the parents couldn't be bothered to look at her stats from her 9 month WCC

I could say I weigh 30 lbs and I don't mind you believing it. But it's most likely not true.

 

[iamnotagolem]

If it takes 18.5 lbs of kibbles to fill one, I don't see how one would stuff a child of that size into one, IMHO

Well she was a child, not kibbles. 1 gallon of water = 8.33 lbs, 5 gallons of water =41.65 lbs

A 18 lb dead toddler would be easy to put in a 5 gal bucket.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

What was said and what is fact are clearly not the same. Lisa would have set some records if she was 10 months old and weighed 30 lbs. 22-24 lbs would put her in the 99th percentile. Logic does not conclude that Lisa weighed 30 lbs.

18-20 is a far better estimate since the parents couldn't be bothered to look at her stats from her 9 month WCC

I am guessing the FBI couldn't be bothered either since on their fliers it says the same, 30 lbs. I would think LE would have checked her doctors' records.

 

[4Jacy]

Because she said it in one of the interviews back in the early days. I remember it. She said (and I'm paraphrasing) that she "used to watch crime stories of this type all the time and never thought it would happen to her".

I'm not interested in going back to search for the exact wording, but I'm sure that those who have read the threads from the beginning will remember. There was much discussion at one time about it.

I remember that also, norest. It was very early in the case. I'm sure she is following this case here on WS's and participating also.

 

[Little Ol Me]

What was said and what is fact are clearly not the same. Lisa would have set some records if she was 10 months old and weighed 30 lbs. 22-24 lbs would put her in the 99th percentile. Logic does not conclude that Lisa weighed 30 lbs.

18-20 is a far better estimate since the parents couldn't be bothered to look at her stats from her 9 month WCC

I could say I weigh 30 lbs and I don't mind you believing it. But it's most likely not true.

Perhaps Lisa was over the 99th percentile. I doubt that is something that would have been announced.
I believe that Debroah did say that Lisa was big for her age.
From some of her pictures, I think that she does look bigger than the average 10-11 month old.
My 7 month old granddaughter weighs 22#, & is 27 in. She doesn't look huge, but rather more like a 12 month old.

 

[cityslick]

I'm not really sure how anyone assumes things like weight when the only people that would know how much she weighs is her parents. Despite all that though, carrying 25 lbs of dead weight in a 5 gallon container isn't a easy thing. Especially if you are doing it without a car, in the middle of the night, over uneven terrain toward the river.

 

[tlcya]

I find it interesting which statements of Lisa's mother some choose to believe and cite here as evidence of her wrongdoing (such as following crime and needing an alibi) and which they choose to discount because it doesn't fit their theory (such as Lisa's size/weight).

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I find it interesting which statements of Lisa's mother some choose to believe and cite here as evidence of her wrongdoing (such as following crime and needing an alibi) and which they choose to discount because it doesn't fit their theory (such as Lisa's size/weight).

I've wondered the same thing and the response that I get is that they can tell when DB is lying and when she is telling the truth. The way I see it is if some one feels strongly about DB's guilt they pick and choose what to believe based on their preconceived notions. If something doesn't fit their beliefs then it is a lie. If it fits its the truth. MOO

 

[cityslick]

Where it gets more complicated is when you add in the 'JI did it' theories, because there you are doing some serious mind bending to fit his actions into that night.

 

[Whisperer]

Baby Lisa was not that big. I doubt she was 30 lbs. She could be wrapped and concealed very easily. She could fit in a small duffel bag or even a small backpack.

I also think she was disappeared long before the morning reported. JI arranged to be gone during the crucial hours. He wanted and needed an alibi.

 

[KsStormy]

Baby Lisa was not that big. I doubt she was 30 lbs. She could be wrapped and concealed very easily. She could fit in a small duffel bag or even a small backpack.

I also think she was disappeared long before the morning reported. JI arranged to be gone during the crucial hours. He wanted and needed an alibi.

How long before do you think she may have been gone?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Baby Lisa was not that big. I doubt she was 30 lbs. She could be wrapped and concealed very easily. She could fit in a small duffel bag or even a small backpack.

I also think she was disappeared long before the morning reported. JI arranged to be gone during the crucial hours. He wanted and needed an alibi.

Now you are thinking what I have believed all along. The entire day (or most of it) on Monday was staging....