I think I love this - a new approach to the question of gay marriage

[PaperDoll]

Hi Jean, I couldn't agree with you more. You rock, PD. :dance:

oh my, thank you :blushing: :blushing: :blushing: :blushing: hehe I'll have to rub this in hubby's face that someone out there thinks I ROCK!!!! hehe

 

[scandi]

I came to quickly erase that post from last night, as I realized I am totally off the wall in thinking that way and need to change. All of your posts made sense to me. It boils down to the fact I don't think the government should be involved in peoples sex lives and dictate who can or can not be married. If people love each other and want to be married, marriage is marriage, and they shouldn't be denied priviledges other married people enjoy.

That's how I really feel. I might have a personal problem with how my brother has handled his being gay in never discussing this and he is 44.
But now I realize that is a seperate issue and shouldn't influence how I feel about gay marriage.

Thanks for all of your coments. Scandi

 

[Melisinde]

I came to quickly erase that post from last night, as I realized I am totally off the wall in thinking that way and need to change. All of your posts made sense to me. It boils down to the fact I don't think the government should be involved in peoples sex lives and dictate who can or can not be married. If people love each other and want to be married, marriage is marriage, and they shouldn't be denied priviledges other married people enjoy.

That's how I really feel. I might have a personal problem with how my brother has handled his being gay in never discussing this and he is 44.
But now I realize that is a seperate issue and shouldn't influence how I feel about gay marriage.

Thanks for all of your coments. Scandi

Much respect and :blowkiss: to you, Scandi.

 

[Karole28]

The fundies just need to remember: The quickest cure for gay sex, is gay marriage.

 

[southcitymom]

I came to quickly erase that post from last night, as I realized I am totally off the wall in thinking that way and need to change. All of your posts made sense to me. It boils down to the fact I don't think the government should be involved in peoples sex lives and dictate who can or can not be married. If people love each other and want to be married, marriage is marriage, and they shouldn't be denied priviledges other married people enjoy.

That's how I really feel. I might have a personal problem with how my brother has handled his being gay in never discussing this and he is 44.
But now I realize that is a seperate issue and shouldn't influence how I feel about gay marriage.

Thanks for all of your coments. Scandi

Scandi, you're an amazing person. It's so cool to have you here. SCM

 

[scandi]

Hi Southcitymom, Your comments cut right to the quick of it and what you said made perfect sense. Sometimes when you break something down to the basics it is easier to understand the issue.

Scandi

 

[Maral]

Scandi, you're an amazing person. It's so cool to have you here. SCM

I'll second that!!

 

[scandi]

Thanks guys, Thank goodness we live and learn every day of our lives! Now I feel like writing to Sen McCain! LOL

Scandi

 

[southcitymom]

Hi Southcitymom, Your comments cut right to the quick of it and what you said made perfect sense. Sometimes when you break something down to the basics it is easier to understand the issue.

Scandi

These topics are deeply charged for all of us. I just love that we can discuss them openly and honestly and that the discussion doesn't denigrate into something terrible. That's one of my favorite things about Websleuths.

 

[Nova]

I came to quickly erase that post from last night, as I realized I am totally off the wall in thinking that way and need to change. All of your posts made sense to me. It boils down to the fact I don't think the government should be involved in peoples sex lives and dictate who can or can not be married. If people love each other and want to be married, marriage is marriage, and they shouldn't be denied priviledges other married people enjoy.

That's how I really feel. I might have a personal problem with how my brother has handled his being gay in never discussing this and he is 44.
But now I realize that is a seperate issue and shouldn't influence how I feel about gay marriage.

Thanks for all of your coments. Scandi

Scandi, as one of the gay WSers, I hope you won't mind me saying that although I disagreed with your previous post, I found nothing offensive about it at all. No need to delete anything, IMHO.

And I am SO impressed that you are willing to publicly reconsider your opinion. Very rare that.

In her original post, Details speaks to the fact that the word "marriage" seems to be a problem for many, many people.

Maybe the solution is for the government to grant "civil commitments" to everyone, gay or straight, and nothing more. Then let the churches "marry" whom they choose.

 

[Maral]

Scandi, as one of the gay WSers, I hope you won't mind me saying that although I disagreed with your previous post, I found nothing offensive about it at all. No need to delete anything, IMHO.

And I am SO impressed that you are willing to publicly reconsider your opinion. Very rare that.

In her original post, Details speaks to the fact that the word "marriage" seems to be a problem for many, many people.

Maybe the solution is for the government to grant "civil commitments" to everyone, gay or straight, and nothing more. Then let the churches "marry" whom they choose.

Nova, I just wrote a long post saying basically the same thing, but you said it much more concisely, so I didn't submit it. I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Nova]

Nova, I just wrote a long post saying basically the same thing, but you said it much more concisely, so I didn't submit it. I agree wholeheartedly.

I think there would be benefits to everyone to that approach. It would enable people to protect their homes and it would get the government out of the business of religious sacrament.

As far as I'm concerned, why shouldn't any two people make a "domestic partnership" and receive the benefits?

 

[CyberLaw]

Remember when Canada "passed" legislation giving gay couple the right to marry and all of the benefits of marriage. Well "many" church groups came to Canada to protest, many gave money to "the anti-gay" religious movement.

They were attemtping to "influence" foreign politics in another country to further their "narrow" minded agenda. As if.....

Even our own Baby Bush did not even go to the 2006 International AIDS Conference in Toronto. As far as "Baby Bush" is concerned, AIDS is still a "gay" disease. Showed his "true" colours, and still is showing his true colours.

 

[Nova]

Remember when Canada "passed" legislation giving gay couple the right to marry and all of the benefits of marriage. Well "many" church groups came to Canada to protest, many gave money to "the anti-gay" religious movement.

They were attemtping to "influence" foreign politics in another country to further their "narrow" minded agenda. As if.....

Even our own Baby Bush did not even go to the 2006 International AIDS Conference in Toronto. As far as "Baby Bush" is concerned, AIDS is still a "gay" disease. Showed his "true" colours, and still is showing his true colours.

This is so discouraging, Cyber. Don't Canadians know they have to set an example for the more backward parts of North America?

 

[newtv]

It really surprises me that any gay person would not be offended or find offensive what scandi said..it reminds me of the way we eat our own..
I am a gay woman too-and what scandi said violates me - I am from Canada so thank god it doesnt apply..but it would be the same as saying any group of people deserve to marry but they dont deserve the rights that the christians do for example..
Its great that scandi has done an about face, but for gay w/sl. to then say nothing offensive was said bewilders me.
The very idea that any group of citizens deserves less than another from the same citizenship is offenseive.
The world is in a lot of trouble because people allow such statements and then say they are not offensive..
I have all my rights-I still stand up for those who do not.

 

[newtv]

This is so discouraging, Cyber. Don't Canadians know they have to set an example for the more backward parts of North America?

canadians do know
Harper is an a$$-hole..canadians are not the Harpers of the world anymore than the US population are Bush fans..Harpers time is coming..

 

[Nova]

canadians do know
Harper is an a$$-hole..canadians are not the Harpers of the world anymore than the US population are Bush fans..Harpers time is coming..

I was just kidding, newtv.

 

[Nova]

It really surprises me that any gay person would not be offended or find offensive what scandi said..it reminds me of the way we eat our own..
I am a gay woman too-and what scandi said violates me - I am from Canada so thank god it doesnt apply..but it would be the same as saying any group of people deserve to marry but they dont deserve the rights that the christians do for example..
Its great that scandi has done an about face, but for gay w/sl. to then say nothing offensive was said bewilders me.
The very idea that any group of citizens deserves less than another from the same citizenship is offenseive.
The world is in a lot of trouble because people allow such statements and then say they are not offensive..
I have all my rights-I still stand up for those who do not.

Actually, what offends me is your "eat our own" remark. I'm not going to list my revolutionary credentials in detail here, but I've been out and open and politically involved for well over 3 decades.

It was clear Scandi wasn't trying to be malicious to you or me. She wasn't calling us names. I'd rather she express her opinion where others can respond to it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

IMO Gay people deserve to be just as miserable as the rest of us...let them marry

 

[Details]

It really surprises me that any gay person would not be offended or find offensive what scandi said..it reminds me of the way we eat our own..
I am a gay woman too-and what scandi said violates me - I am from Canada so thank god it doesnt apply..but it would be the same as saying any group of people deserve to marry but they dont deserve the rights that the christians do for example..
Its great that scandi has done an about face, but for gay w/sl. to then say nothing offensive was said bewilders me.
The very idea that any group of citizens deserves less than another from the same citizenship is offenseive.
The world is in a lot of trouble because people allow such statements and then say they are not offensive..
I have all my rights-I still stand up for those who do not.

I disagree with what she said - but how that makes it offensive, I don't know. She didn't say there was anything wrong with gay people - she just said she didn't think gay marriage was the same as traditional marriage - which is an opinion many hold. To me, offensive means saying something ugly, insulting.