IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #10

[Thinkzerz]

Cook said Lyric knew she had to return home shortly because Lyric and Cook planned to leave for the home they shared in nearby Waterloo with Lyric's mother, Misty Morrissey, by 1:30 p.m.

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Cook said she got nervous when they weren't back by 12:30 p.m. and started driving around town looking for them. After an hour of searching, she returned to the home. Cook said that Misty Morrissey stopped by after getting off work.
"Misty said, `Mom, you go home and I'll just wait for Lyric and bring her home," Cook recalled.

Cook said she drove to her home but was soon told by Elizabeth's father the girls hadn't surfaced. A firefighter found the bikes two hours later, and the manhunt began.


Ahh...but that is not what they actually said. Misty said her mother called her at work at 2:00 to tell her she couldn't find Lyric. It is in one of the very first interviews and then she came home..meanwhile WC was in Waterloo with Tammy...MOO Of course, that story has considerably morphed..MOO

Gma got nervous? Nervous as in how? Nervous her and Tammy would be late for their appointment or nervous that they kids were not back? Didn't gma say find your own darn kids or something like that? So my guess would be she was not so nervous that they were not back that something was wrong. JMO

 

[winterrose]

Morrissey is expected to appear Friday in Black Hawk County court in Waterloo for a pretrial conference covering four separate cases, including one in which he is charged with assaulting his estranged wife, Misty Morrissey, Lyric's mother. Three other cases charge him with possessing, dealing and making methamphetamines and a range of other drug charges that could lock up him up for decades if he's convicted.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...faces-possible-trial-amid-search-for-cousins/

Did anyone find out if Lyric is a witness?

 

[Jules71]

MC said her mother (WC) called her at 2:00 to say the girls were missing.
WC said Misty stopped by after getting off work.

Both of those things could be true.

 

[Ollipop]

LOL clear as mud.

I think Tammy Breault said it all in a nutshell when asked who exactly from the family was NOT cooperating -

"All of them".

I have linked it before, but here you go

Hindering the investigation, Breault said, was a lack of cooperation from “all” of the two missing girls’ family and friends. She wouldn’t release details on who that person or persons may be.
“It’s a roadblock,” she said.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_507d9bca-d2b1-11e1-8f0b-0019bb2963f4.html

In your first quote, you say that Breault is saying that the entire family is uncooperative. In the next, the only part that is quoted as being said by Breault (quoted by the reporter for a different article, not her exact words as spoken in a PC), was the word "all." In fact, in the next sentence, the reporter clears it up just a bit, by saying Breault had not mentioned which of the family members weren't cooperating. So even the reporter understood that Breault was not saying, nor implying, that the entire family was not cooperating.

All of us who've read every post, who've followed this all along (and I realize you've been here all along as well), understood who Breault meant, because the family came out and told us. DM stormed out of an interview when he was tired of being screamed and accused for hours. He has since cooperated. MCM and DM were advised not to speak to LE or MSM, advice that they clarified the next day, to MSM of all things, lol. They clearly stated the reasons why they felt they needed to act in a way that LE depicted as "uncooperative." Shortly after, as confirmed by both them AND LE, they worked out the issues between them and have been 100% cooperative since.

You are drawing conclusions, connecting your own dots, then presenting them as fact. Even to say that your theory "is the most likely," shows that you discount all other theories, which I say cannot be done at this time.

Respectfully, without snark, just my opinion. ***Not an accusation.**

 

[SapphireSteel]

So true! I just think if a sighting cannot be 100% confirmed by LE then they are not going to use that witness in their timeline. The biker (TG) saw bikes lying down. Did he identify them as the same LE found against the fence? I don't think a perp (RSO) would not have taken the time to stage the bikes.

I've seen this repeated but no link.

Can you please provide?

tia.

 

[cindersoot]

Misty said she and the girls have been doing a lot of swimming at lakes. I'm wondering if the girls met some perp at one of these events at a lake elsewhere or campground and was friendly with them giving the perp too much info on where they live, etc.

 

[Mjskit]

The butler or the maid.

Scarlet O'Hara

 

[SapphireSteel]

Thank you for the link. What I am seeing at the link is a reporter's interpretation of statements made by Ms. Breault. I do not see a specific question posed nor do I see her specific answer to the question. Merely someone's paraphrasing of a statement or statements made by Ms. Breault.

I was hoping for a direct quote, not a journalists interpretation.

I do very much appreciate you finding the link however. I know that took effort and I did not ask lightly. MY apologies if you have linked this before but I have been absent since last Wednesday and therefore, may have missed it if this was discussed at that time.

ETA I did find a somewhat more direct quote and I find it can be interpreted in several ways.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault told ABC News: 'Law enforcement has not received total cooperation from all family and close friends. We feel there's someone out there that has pertinent information about the girls' whereabouts.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...zabeth-Collins-cooperating.html#ixzz228naqztG

To me, the above reads as if they have not received total cooperation from each and every family member and friend (implying some or at least one are/is less cooperative than others). I do not read this as her saying not one single family member or friend has given total cooperation. Follow my hair splitting?

To be frank, no. "all of them" means, ALL OF THEM.

There are other links about but as you and Ollipop are challenging all of my statements I just grabbed the first one....I have more links to provide (even though I have already provided them).

I don't see how a reporter can mistake the meaning of "all of them"...plus there are more direct quotes about. It was a news conference after all...a room FULL of reporters. There could well even be footage. I'm not digging it out because I don't need to prove anything.

It is no misquote.

 

[winterrose]

The day before both girls vanished, court records show Morrissey appeared in court for a hearing in which he was scheduled to change his pleas in all four cases, suggesting a deal covering all of them had been reached with prosecutors. But he decided not to plead guilty, records show, and the cases were scheduled for trial. The five most serious charges carry possible sentences of 45 years in prison apiece.

The girls' aunt, Tammy Brousseau, said Morrissey backed out of a plea agreement in the cases earlier this month because he did not want to be jailed immediately, which it required. She said she believed he would ultimately accept a plea bargain rather than take his chances at trials to reduce the potential prison term he faces.

"If I was in Dan's position, I couldn't imagine being put behind bars during a time like this," she said. "My heart just sinks."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...faces-possible-trial-amid-search-for-cousins/

Soooooo, this is her sister Misty who he's being charged with abusing, breaking fingers, etc, etc. Really? The last thing I'd feel is sorry for him, that's odd.

 

[tlcya]

Cook said "it's possible" her son-in-law made an enemy through his cooperation with police, and she said investigators are scrutinizing Morrissey's associates as they search for the girls. He recently met with them to allow them to go through all the contacts in his phone, Cook said.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/judge...her-of-missing-iowa-girl/article/feed/2016565

:banghead:

does the above quote by WC have to do with your earlier claim that DM had refused to allow LE access to his cell phone? I am a bit confused about how what you posted relates to what it was in response to from another poster?

If it is in regards to your earlier post on that matter I can only say that recently is a pretty vague word and she (WC) could just as easily been referring to the same exact time period that all the other phones and electronics were given over to LE.

 

[Sere-nity]

Could somebody in the family or close to the family be working with the FBI or Iowa DCI to bring down all the meth dealers in the area?

Could this be a ruse to get the information from DM in a way that the other players won't be suspicious that DM is talking to the Feds/Cops whomever?

Could it be that some of the family isn't aware of the plan because they might have information or not be able to keep a secret?

ALL THE ABOVE ARE JUST RANDOM THOUGHTS FORMED ONLY BY MY HEAD.

 

[Bootsctr]

Cook said Lyric knew she had to return home shortly because Lyric and Cook planned to leave for the home they shared in nearby Waterloo with Lyric's mother, Misty Morrissey, by 1:30 p.m.

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Cook said she got nervous when they weren't back by 12:30 p.m. and started driving around town looking for them. After an hour of searching, she returned to the home. Cook said that Misty Morrissey stopped by after getting off work.
"Misty said, `Mom, you go home and I'll just wait for Lyric and bring her home," Cook recalled.

Cook said she drove to her home but was soon told by Elizabeth's father the girls hadn't surfaced. A firefighter found the bikes two hours later, and the manhunt began.


Ahh...but that is not what they actually said. Misty said her mother called her at work at 2:00 to tell her she couldn't find Lyric. It is in one of the very first interviews and then she came home..meanwhile WC was in Waterloo with Tammy...MOO Of course, that story has considerably morphed..MOO

I don't understand how Misty could tell her mother to go home when Cook is saying that Misty stopped by after getting off work? I"m assuming Misty stopped by Cook's house.

 

[TxLady2]

I remember there being some comment made by LE in regards to tests on Caine, Desiree, and Tony after poly's were administered during the first few days of the Kyron Horman investigation. Has there been any discussion or comments from LE about the polys taken by friends and family of Lyric and Elizabeth ? Can an arrest be made solely based on the results of a poly ?

I guess that in the absence of a statement by by LE to the contrary, we are to assume that no deception was indicated in the results of polygraph exams administered during the course of this investigation.

Something struck me about the picture of the guy riding his bike and stopping to speak with LE. I am not sure where they are on the trail in this pic, but the gentleman riding it looks like he literally just jumped out of the shower. His clothing is unwrinkled, he isn't sweating (that I could see), and for riding through what is reportedly a not so nice, landscaped area, he and his bike look to be very clean.

This may have already been answered, I'm catching up, but NO, they cannot make an arrest based solely on the results of a polygraph. They are not admissible in court anyway, and LE has to have probable cause to arrest someone, and sufficient evidence to charge someone. A poly is not considered evidence, and you won't ever hear much about the results of a poly in any trial, from either side. It's an investigative tool used by LE... nothing more. Also, LE rarely comments to the public about results of polys, even though the media always asks.

 

[Ollipop]

Cook said "it's possible" her son-in-law made an enemy through his cooperation with police, and she said investigators are scrutinizing Morrissey's associates as they search for the girls. He recently met with them to allow them to go through all the contacts in his phone, Cook said.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/judge...her-of-missing-iowa-girl/article/feed/2016565

:banghead:

And you don't see how that's not "DM refused to turn his phone over to LE"?

:banghead:

 

[southern_comfort]

To be frank, no. "all of them" means, ALL OF THEM.

There are other links about but as you and Ollipop are challenging all of my statements I just grabbed the first one....I have more links to provide (even though I have already provided them).

I don't see how a reporter can mistake the meaning of "all of them"...plus there are more direct quotes about. It was a news conference after all...a room FULL of reporters. There could well even be footage. I'm not digging it out because I don't need to prove anything.

It is no misquote.

I take that to mean what it says, which is that not all of the family was cooperating... meaning, some of them (number and name(s) unidentified) were not cooperating, while others were. This was back when DM got upset at feeling accused, no? That's probably who was meant and that's been ironed out, I think.

 

[Simp]

You know how many times my husband would be talking to someone and I interrupt with my 2 cents and i always get a look as if to say shut up you have no idea what we are talking about. Seems to me that it was Mr C that saw the girls that day and the wife should have not said a word about 3 because was she even there? Did she see the kids?

So funny you said that!! When I watched the video I could definately see my husband talking and me butting in with the "correct" info!!! Haha
*Note to self* do not attempt to correct my husband on camera if ever interviewed concerning ANYTHING!!!

 

[tlcya]

To be frank, no. "all of them" means, ALL OF THEM.

There are other links about but as you and Ollipop are challenging all of my statements I just grabbed the first one....I have more links to provide (even though I have already provided them).

I don't see how a reporter can mistake the meaning of "all of them"...plus there are more direct quotes about. It was a news conference after all...a room FULL of reporters. There could well even be footage. I'm not digging it out because I don't need to prove anything.

It is no misquote.

I provided you with the exact quote in the post you have quoted. We will not be agreeing on this. Our interpretations are just too different. I am sorry you find my posts asking for links to be me "challenging" you. I do not mean to challenge you (ie be argumentative or combative). I see you have a specific viewpoint that does not align with mine. you are posting some pretty strong things as fact. Again, I have been absent for four days and if I ask for a link, it is not meant to challenge you but to figure out what the heck I have missed while gone.

'Law enforcement has not received total cooperation from all family and close friends. We feel there's someone out there that has pertinent information about the girls' whereabouts.'

To me means there is varying levels of cooperation from family and friends, some more than others, we feel strongly that someone within or associated with the family knows more than they are saying.

To me that does not mean not a single family member or friend is cooperating.

If it means that to you so be it, but we will obviously have to agree to disagree on this and probably many matters involved in this case.

 

[Jules71]

I don't understand how Misty could tell her mother to go home when Cook is saying that Misty stopped by after getting off work? I"m assuming Misty stopped by Cook's house.

Misty stopped by Heather's house - I believe. Because there was a transcript somewhere that Grandma and Misty were standing in the front yard talking as Heather drove up.

So what I was saying in another post is Grandma could have called Misty at 2 and told her the girls were not back - AND - Misty could have then stopped by (the Collins home) after work - and that is when Misty told Grandma to go ahead and go home (to meet Tammy for their plans).

 

[cindersoot]

I just would really like an update on anything from LE or MSM.

 

[Athena12]

I'm catching up on today's posts, so not sure if this has already been mentioned - but tomorrow is Elizabeth's 9th birthday. So sad for Drew & Heather...