IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #11

[cindersoot]

Good morning. Anything new?

 

[Jax49]

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/With...-Parents-Amid-Recent-Incidents-164834036.html

Within Arm's Length: Closer Contact for Parents Amid Recent Incidents?

Thanks for posting this. I can't believe parents are still allowing their young kids to bike unsupervised.

 

[Jax49]

Good morning. Anything new?

no -- nada - zip

 

[cindersoot]

I do that all the time, pretend that I am texting but take photos. My phone makes a sound though when it takes a pic so I have to cough at the right time. LOL.

That van looks more like a 2011/2012 Dodge Grand Caravan or Chrysler Town and Country. I could have sworn in a different thread you called it an Oldsmobile? Or am I seeing things?

It IS an Oldsmobile, I checked when I got the plate numbers.

 

[BunnyHop]

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/With...-Parents-Amid-Recent-Incidents-164834036.html

Within Arm's Length: Closer Contact for Parents Amid Recent Incidents?

Yes it's very different now. Growing up in the 60's when I think back things were very different. As kids we went everywhere. We were also "street smart".

I was taught never to go with a stranger. We took public transportation everywhere. It was common place. I was taught to sit next to a "nice lady" and go to a cop immediately if I felt scared. Sadly, those days are gone.

Things are very different now. Iphones and texting. Someone was killed 2 days ago in head on collision for veering across yellow line at 4PM on a country road. We live in a different world.

The internet plays a big part, IMO. It's just too easy. I'm hearing lately about "the deep web". Scares the bejeebus out of me. lease:

 

[cindersoot]

Hopefully something moves this case ahead today.

 

[FrayedKnot]

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/With...-Parents-Amid-Recent-Incidents-164834036.html

Within Arm's Length: Closer Contact for Parents Amid Recent Incidents?

Thanks for posting this. I have stated before that as much as it pains me to keep my child on close watch and not allow her the same freedom I enjoyed as a child, it would pain me more if the wolves got her.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Thanks Heavenleigh, for the quote from the article. My Quote button is not working for quoting other's posts in my reply. I'm going to restart and see if that fixes it. I think my computer is protesting being on WS 24/7!

 

[whittymom4]

I am in Texas, so I'm not familiar with Evansdale except for what I've read here at WS. I am frustrated that there seems to be such an epidemic of perverts trying to lure or snatch children in Iowa the past few months. I wish that sex offenders were not ever allowed to plead down or remain free even when they violate probation. They get away with so much of what they do!

Unfortunately until our judicial system catches up with the real world and these judges start keeping the sex offenders locked up things will not change.

Even the sex offenders know they most likely will get a slap on the wrist and off they go to reoffend. They cannot be rehabilitated, lock them all up and throw away the key!

 

[SuperTmo]

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/With...-Parents-Amid-Recent-Incidents-164834036.html

Within Arm's Length: Closer Contact for Parents Amid Recent Incidents?

It blows my mind when I see very young kids out unattended. My daughter is four, and I would NEVER let her play outside alone. She doesn't even play outside in our own yard unless my eyes are on her at all times. My community hasn't had any attempted abductions in quite some time, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let her ride her bike a far distance from me. I don't let her out of my sight for even a minute outside of our house. My friends think I'm overprotective because I won't leave her in the car to run into a store for a quick item, or even to return the cart (I park next to the cart corral or just take her with me). I'm OK with them thinking that, and just make a note to not let them babysit her!!

I just don't get why it takes "recent incidents" for people to supervise their kids. I guess people get a false sense of security when nothing has happened in their community, but why take the chance and have their kid to be the first abducted child?

I'd rather be overprotective than never see my precious daughter again.

 

[Jax49]

http://altoonaherald.desmoinesregis...blic-keep-tips-coming-case-missing-Iowa-girls

snipped:

A convenience store clerk alerted law enforcement authorities Thursday that a girl who resembled one of the missing Iowa cousins had been at the store.
A Jasper County sheriff’s deputy located the vehicle the girl was in and quizzed the driver, who said he was the girl’s father. After a little more investigation, authorities let the two leave.
The tip was one of hundreds authorities have followed up on since July 13, when Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, and her cousin Elizabeth Collins, 9, went missing from Evansdale.
FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault declined to say how many tips officials have received or how many of the tips involved actual sightings of the girls. She said doing so would hinder the investigation.

 

[whittymom4]

Thanks for posting this. I have stated before that as much as it pains me to keep my child on close watch and not allow her the same freedom I enjoyed as a child, it would pain me more if the wolves got her.

I know how you feel, it is awful. But we have to keep our children close! I would literally die if I lost one of mine. I couldn't imagine. How do parents even carry on with their lives, I wouldn't be able to breathe!

 

[whittymom4]

It blows my mind when I see very young kids out unattended. My daughter is four, and I would NEVER let her play outside alone. She doesn't even play outside in our own yard unless my eyes are on her at all times. My community hasn't had any attempted abductions in quite some time, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let her ride her bike a far distance from me. I don't let her out of my sight for even a minute outside of our house. My friends think I'm overprotective because I won't leave her in the car to run into a store for a quick item, or even to return the cart (I park next to the cart corral or just take her with me). I'm OK with them thinking that, and just make a note to not let them babysit her!!

I just don't get why it takes "recent incidents" for people to supervise their kids. I guess people get a false sense of security when nothing has happened in their community, but why take the chance and have their kid to be the first abducted child?

I'd rather be overprotective than never see my precious daughter again.

I agree! Like I stated in another post, I wouldn't be able to go on if my child was missing, no way.

 

[whittymom4]

Good morning. Anything new?

Good morning Cindersoot....And all my fellow websleuthers!

 

[BunnyHop]

Unfortunately until our judicial system catches up with the real world and these judges start keeping the sex offenders locked up things will not change.

Even the sex offenders know they most likely will get a slap on the wrist and off they go to reoffend. They cannot be rehabilitated, lock them all up and throw away the key!

Talking yesterday with co-worker. When driving, iphone app needs to shut off.
No talking while driving. Just too many accidents.

 

[Morethenrubies]

I know this is kinda OT but yes, my husband is part Italian and part Irish and I agree the "personal space" boundaries are way different than my background (basically "American mutt"). I know I commented on the cheek-touching thing earlier but in his family it wouldn't surprise me OR be "hinky." Thanks for the reminder.

Yes true they are expressive. I am from a large Italian family also. I am fine with them touching my kids. Still not ok, with a stranger touching my kid in anyway even if they are Italian. I am sorry, my kids protection comes before any other "feelings" someone might have. Part of stranger danger is teaching my kids to be polite and walk away from a stranger. I am sorry if a strangers feelings where hurt when they or I walk away, but I would be even more sorry if they where taken. In this day and age~ I would fault noone for not wanting someone staring at their kid. I myself try to "keep" my hubby in check. He is like the pied piper with children. If he is at the park he plays with our kids and that attracts all the other children. I just don't want him blamed for anything. I hate thinking this way, I do, but this crap happens.

JMO- sorry for typos, very small keyboard, too early in morning!

 

[SuperTmo]

I agree! Like I stated in another post, I wouldn't be able to go on if my child was missing, no way.

I don't know how to breathe on this earth without my little girl. It is just her and I, and I would die of a broken heart. I'm sure of it. I couldn't find her for about two minutes in my house after I took a shower one morning, and the thoughts that went through my head were of course, worse case. I worried she wandered away or something! I was on the verge of panic when I heard her little laugh coming from an empty moving box that I hadn't broken down yet.

I don't know how Misty and Heather are managing. I know that if I was crying and freaking out over that, there is no way you'd see me do anything but be hysterical on the news and banging down people's doors looking for her, or be sedated into a coma for my own safety. I know that I wouldn't be holding it together at three weeks. I hope and pray today is the day Elizabeth and Lyric are found safely.

 

[webaddict]

i understand where all the parents here are coming from when they say they wouldn't let their kids out of their sight, but our family just spent last summer back in iowa, less than an hour from evansdale. we were hanging out at parks a lot for exercise as well as for grilling / picnics, just enjoying summer in iowa. i can tell you, there were lots and lots of children playing at the splash pads, pools and playgrounds with far more bicycles to be seen than parents. it's iowa; it's safe i don't know what's up with the weirdos in white vans that seem to be coming out of the woodwork in the last few weeks, but this is not typical for iowa. kids play outside; they ride their bikes to the park and on bike trails. you could go past any number of neighborhood parks and only see children (and their bikes!) there. if this abduction was a random incident (or even if it wasn't random), it sure seems like it has ignited a frenzy that is out of character for iowa and summer in iowa. it is so hard for me to understand how things have changed so radically in one year. just thinking.....

 

[BunnyHop]

Talking yesterday with co-worker. When driving, iphone app needs to shut off.
No talking while driving. Just too many accidents.

I'm bumping myself here, sorry.

2 days ago big accident on country road. Sirens blasting at 4PM. SUV spotted upright. My co-worker called me last night to tell me 40+ year old friend she went to school with was dead. Rant here, sorry. Shut off the phones and texts while driving. Sorry, I'm upset.

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[whittymom4]

Yes true they are expressive. I am from a large Italian family also. I am fine with them touching my kids. Still not ok, with a stranger touching my kid in anyway even if they are Italian. I am sorry, my kids protection comes before any other "feelings" someone might have. Part of stranger danger is teaching my kids to be polite and walk away from a stranger. I am sorry if a strangers feelings where hurt when they or I walk away, but I would be even more sorry if they where taken. In this day and age~ I would fault noone for not wanting someone staring at their kid. I myself try to "keep" my hubby in check. He is like the pied piper with children. If he is at the park he plays with our kids and that attracts all the other children. I just don't want him blamed for anything. I hate thinking this way, I do, but this crap happens.

JMO- sorry for typos, very small keyboard, too early in morning!

Anyone remember being told about "Stanger Danger" when you were in school?
I really don't, I remember my mom and dad telling us, but it always seemed the stranger would be someone creepy or shady. Never anyone "normal".

The other day my girls and I were talking about this guy who is new in our neighborhood (they just built 15 new condo's right next door to us) and some of the others who have moved into the new units. Because we have been in this house since before they were born, they are 8 & 10, we know everyone who lives in this area. Anyway, my 8 yr. old said this guy we were talking about had given her, her sister and a few friends a pack of stickers.

I asked her why her and her friends would take something from someone they don't know? I said, what if he is a pedophile, my 8 yr. old says, "don't worry mom, he is not a pedophile, he's a dentist!

My heart just sank because we have had all these talks about stranger danger and pedophiles, missing children, etc. then it occurred to me, they are thinking just like I did when I was little, the bad man/stranger has to be scarey looking and mean, it couldn't be a nice, well dressed man handing out Hello Kitty stickers.
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