IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #13

[katydid23]

That would make no sense at all in my mind, as it's neither heavy nor cumbersome. :dunno:

It would be like the perp saying, lets go on a boat, take your earrings out and leave them here?

:moo:

If you are going on a crowded boat with three people, why take a purse onboard? It is easily dropped in the water or gets wet and it is something that has to be carried, when the people might need to use their focus on other things, like paddling.

Obviously, the REAL reason is that the perp does not want the cell anywhere near them. But he wouldn't tell the girls that, imo, he's just say ' leave it here, we will get it later.'

eta: earrings do not need to be carried and are not cumbersome.

 

[Jules71]

If the phone is deactivated you no longer have your phone number but you can call 911 for sure. I am going to go see if I can also call customer service.

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I just tried calling someone from a non activated cell phone. I heard it ringing and then a recorded message from customer service from Verizon came on and said to call customer service.

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[SapphireSteel]

If you are going on a crowded boat with three people, why take a purse onboard? It is easily dropped in the water or gets wet and it is something that has to be carried, when the people might need to use their focus on other things, like paddling.

Obviously, the REAL reason is that the perp does not want the cell anywhere near them. But he wouldn't tell the girls that, imo, he's just say ' leave it here, we will get it later.'

eta: earrings do not need to be carried and are not cumbersome.

The boat theory does not fit in with the dogs following the scent to the wooded area.

:moo:

 

[Jules71]

I just tried calling someone from a non activated cell phone. I heard it ringing and then a recorded message from customer service from Verizon came on and said to call customer service.

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I have another deactivated cell phone and when I try to call someone with it, it rings then a recording answers and says please hold for a customer service Rep. (This phone was a pre-paid phone. The other one I tried was not.)

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[SapphireSteel]

I just tried calling someone from a non activated cell phone. I heard it ringing and then a recorded message from customer service from Verizon came on and said to call customer service.

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Are you going to try 911?

 

[CHERIE.T]

The boat theory does not fit in with the dogs following the scent to the wooded area.

:moo:

That's where I'm stumped.
The dogs hitting in or tward the woods means something. But what?
Did the perp lure the girls there?:waitasec:
Did the girls maybe sit there and take a break? :waitasec:
:moo:

Edited to add, I still (for some gut reason) am leaning
to the girls meeting with someone. Im thinking that this meeting
was arranged in advanced. Just moo.

 

[cindersoot]

I agree that the perp said, "just leave your purse, we will be back".

 

[CHERIE.T]

We are in much need of an update from the media.

Whenever I get a break I check here hoping to
read anything new from LE or the media. |
Hearing nothing is so sad. :moo:

 

[cindersoot]

That's where I'm stumped.
The dogs hitting in or tward the woods means something. But what?
Did the perp lure the girls there?:waitasec:
Did the girls maybe sit there and take a break? :waitasec:
:moo:

If the perps grabbed the girls, carried them off, well there goes the scent.

 

[Jules71]

Are you going to try 911?

Haha. No, but I wanted to demonstrate that it will still dial and customer service picks up on the other end. I have so many old phones and they can be used to call 911 and most will also call the cell phone carrier. It has to be getting a signal in order to do that. A lot of people here donate their old phones for seniors or women's shelters to use to call 911.

Also if you listen to scanners in general it does seem they can pinpoint almost the exact location of a cell phone. I have heard LE refer to it as "plotting". Saying the phone is plotting to the Nw corner of main and 2nd as an example.
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[CHERIE.T]

If the perps grabbed the girls, carried them off, well there goes the scent.

Yes I understand that. But the scent according to LE (I think)
said the girls scent went towards the woods or into the woods..so
why did the scent end there? :moo:

 

[Wishbone]

Its not the phone that can call 911, its your service...eg, your PHONE NUMBER

If you have no service it cant call anything. Down here anyway.

So you can have a working phone, not pay your bill, but you still have your phone number etc, eg, the service....and can call emergency only.

Deactivated to me is when you have taken your number across to a new phone. The old phone can be used for games only...I've got drawers full of em...no good for anything except storing numbers and the games because the service has moved to your new phone.

The service is attached to the PHONE NUMBER, not the phone.

:moo:

Here in the USA we have the ability to dial 911 from a cell phone regardless of having current service or a phone number for many years. Here is an old article from 2000 talking about it and you can also access the FCC website for more info.

Any old, decommissioned cell phone can be used to make 911 calls, as long as the battery is good.

The Federal Communications Commission requires all cell phone service providers, like Sprint, AT&T and Bell Atlantic, to accept 911 calls from any wireless phone -- even one that no longer has a phone number or service contract.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/16/technology/old-cell-phones-can-still-call-911.html

 

[Beyond Belief]

Is that maiden lane the type place folks might use a dumping ground, old furniture, appliances or just plain trash?

 

[tlcya]

Lyric left her phone at home, Elizabeth was carrying her phone in her purse. The phone could be used to call 911 but was otherwise only used for gaming.

Thank you for clarifying and correcting both me and cinder, otto

 

[threecrazykids]

Yes I understand that. But the scent according to LE (I think)
said the girls scent went towards the woods or into the woods..so
why did the scent end there? :moo:

Not so sure LE ever stated anything official about the dogs. I believe everything regarding what the dogs did or didn't do came from the family accounts...which they know NOTHING about reading the dogs and whether them going into the wooded area meant anything or not. Only a professional handler would be able to tell if they were even actively following a scent trail or maybe even trying to search for a scent? I don't know...

IF the dogs DID go into the wooded area and the scent stopped immediately one could assume that is where the girls were taken (possibly into a vehicle) where the dogs could no longer track the scent.

I can tell you one thing I don't like (which I know they can't) is that LE has really given the public ZERO confirmation of anything other than the video of the girls and 3:58 bikes found. That is just not enough for any of us to go off of...which also may be the reason they are still grasping for answers. I think for people to have the slightest incling to help they are going to have to have a reason to call. At this point I think the only people they would ever get to help are those who have already helped...sadly

 

[tlcya]

Did I understand some previous conversation that the girls have been going to this area for some time? I am wondering what attracted them to it if that is so. Surely they shared their secrets if there were any with a friend or playmate. Maybe LE should be talking to other children.

a bit behind so sorry if you've already been answered. We have no knowledge that the girls had been going to the area. Family claims they knew better than to stray that far. We have speculated that, as many of us did in childhood, the girls may have been exploring beyond their proscribed boundaries without the adults being aware. As far as I know there have been no reports that the girls were regular visitors at the lake.

 

[Reverie]

I agree that the perp said, "just leave your purse, we will be back".

This ^^^ would especially make sense if a local perp had been grooming the girls in previous weeks with candy, boat rides, or other treats. They might have developed a lot of trust and then might follow the perp(s) almost anywhere??

The girls certainly seem to have gone to the lake often.....possibly often enough to attract a wayward thinking perp who could be working long hours anywhere along the girls' bike route.

Just very humble speculation.

 

[otto]

I can't contribute much at the moment either, my guesses are strictly against :tos: <modsnip>.

I still believe this one will be wrapped quickly...just because there's no arrest, doesn't mean LE have "no idea" which I've seen posted on here too many times.

:banghead:

You may want to check out the case of Daniel Morcombe down here in Australia...similar sudden disappearance...it took 8 years for an arrest even though LE had a very good suspect (unnamed, unmentioned even) for most of that time.

The trouble is not LE, it is often the DA's office, which is political, elected, in charge of the public pursestrings, and quite capable of refusing to prosecute without what they view as "rock solid" evidence.

There is a world of difference between "rock solid" and "no idea".

Keep the faith. They didn't just come out and say "we strongly believe they are alive" (paraphrased) based on NOTHING...they actually said they had "physical evidence". We still don't know what that is.

I hope they still believe this and the silence is just part of the rescue mission.

I would kill to be a fly on the wall but I have complete faith in LE in this one.

:moo:

Australia, as part of the British Commonwealth, would have crown prosecutors, not district attorneys. Also, from my brief research, it seems that Crown Prosecutors in Australia are not elected. Similarly, they are not elected in the UK or Canada ... prosecutors are elected only in the US, as far as I know. Crown Prosecutors are often Queen's Counsel, which is a special designation prosecutors sometimes acquire after several years of working as Crown's Counsel. As part of the Commonwealth, my understanding is that Prosecutors are hired for a job, just like any job, and they keep that job as long as they like. In many cases, they are promoted to Assistant Chief Crown Prosecutor, and then appointed as judges.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Australia, as part of the British Commonwealth, would have crown prosecutors, not district attorneys. Also, from my brief research, it seems that Crown Prosecutors in Australia are not elected. Similarly, they are not elected in the UK or Canada ... prosecutors are elected only in the US, as far as I know. Crown Prosecutors are often Queen's Counsel, which is a special designation prosecutors acquire after several years of working as Crown's Counsel. As part of the Commonwealth, my understanding is that Prosecutors are hired for a job, just like any job, and they keep that job as long as they like. In many cases, they are promoted to Assistant Chief Crown Prosecutor, and then appointed as judges.

Precisely. You have politicians running your justice system. We do not.

But as we are speaking of an American crime, I'm talking about the American system and using the American language. :dunno:

Imagine how confusing it would be if I started burbling on about Crown Prosecutors as well as all my other theories?

:lol:

 

[nikb]

Its not the phone that can call 911, its your service...eg, your PHONE NUMBER

If you have no service it cant call anything. Down here anyway.

So you can have a working phone, not pay your bill, but you still have your phone number etc, eg, the service....and can call emergency only.

Deactivated to me is when you have taken your number across to a new phone. The old phone can be used for games only...I've got drawers full of em...no good for anything except storing numbers and the games because the service has moved to your new phone.

The service is attached to the PHONE NUMBER, not the phone.

:moo:

I am trying to find a good link for this but if you Google it there are tons of "Yahoo Answers" and blogs that talk about it. It's stated in numerous places that US Federal law says any phone has to be able to call 911 for emergencies. I need to find a good source besides "Google it" though.

There is a local group for battered women that has cell phone drives every year asking specifically for old cell phones so they can give them to women in potentially dangerous situations. I've donated several old phones that definitely didn't have numbers attached to them anymore.