IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #13

[Beyond Belief]

I was thinking more in the line of a dumping ground. Film footage of spectators might reveal a guilty party. on a local level I think perps are curious and have a habit of returning to the scenes of their crimes.

 

[MNDad]

This crystalized in my mind earlier this morning. The FBI said weeks ago they have reason to believe the girls are alive and that that passage of time would not discourage them. Plus, the investigation has been silent for so long.

What if the information the FBI has is intelligence from an ongoing investigation into a pedo ring? And the reason the FBI, local LE and the family aren't saying anyting is because the Feds don't want to compromise their investigation?

A pedo ring makes some sense to me. Some perps move into a town and shack up somewhere. They spend a few weeks or months in the area, grooming a number of targets for potential abduction. And then when the oppurtunity presents itself, they grab one of their targets and run.

If they knew they were alive in pedo ring, I don't think LE would leave two girls in that situation just for the sake of a sting.

 

[MNDad]

SBM -

1) can't answer for sure
2) GREAT question
3) Been open for a long time before that, and was still open then, according to verified local Ollipop
4) She said she had been at a different park nearer her own house in Waterloo (nobody came across her there, that was just what she told her mom/whomever when she returned just as they were calling LE), and because she lost track of time (according to Lyric, according to articles I don't have links to)

(ETA: my own answers to question 4 are screaming "HINKY GROOMING SCENARIO/ TEST RUN FOR ABDUCTION" to me)

By "open" do you mean unlock or do you mean swung to an open position?

 

[Fukiyama]

If they knew they were alive in pedo ring, I don't think LE would leave two girls in that situation just for the sake of a sting.

While I would agree with this to some extent, we have also had plenty of mentions in this thread of cases where LE has had info on people who held missing kids for years, but LE's hands were tied for lack of clear evidence. At this point, anything seems reasonable to me.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Geez, that bridge over the river on the road that leads to nothingness, I hope people are out there looking because that is all just too convenient for a perp.

 

[Sunlight]

My feeling is that LE's theory of this case is the same as it has always been from the beginning. I don't know if that is good or bad. There has been enough public disclosure to figure out what that theory is. At this point, they are looking for more evidence..they watch, listen, follow. JMHO

 

[Copper]

If they knew they were alive in pedo ring, I don't think LE would leave two girls in that situation just for the sake of a sting.

Just because the FBI knows a pedo ring has the girls wouldn't necessarily mean the FBI knows who has the girls, and where they are now. They just know from "chatter" that someone in the ring took the girls.

 

[MissouriGirl]

Still wondering what evidence could have possibly made the police say this (reminded of this by Copper's above post):

(CBS/AP) EVANSDALE, Iowa - Investigators say they have evidence that leads them to believe two Iowa cousins who vanished last week are still alive.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said Saturday that authorities strongly believe 10-year-old Lyric Cook-Morrissey and 8-year-old Elizabeth Collins have not been killed.

"We believe," Breault said, "these girls are alive and we are not discouraged by the passage of time since their disappearance."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...orities-believe-missing-iowa-girls-are-alive/

I wondered before if maybe they had just used a poor choice of words and meant to say that they are not going to lose hope they could be alive, but the parts I bolded seem to indicate they definitely are aware of some things we are not (which others have pointed out as well). Still wondering what it could be though that is solid enough for them to make these bold statements, but still not able to locate the girls, charge someone, or even name their person of interest.

 

[Sunlight]

Just because the FBI knows a pedo ring has the girls wouldn't necessarily mean the FBI knows who has the girls, and where they are now. They just know from "chatter" that someone in the ring took the girls.

Maybe not a pedo ring, but a ring of some sort.

 

[Sunlight]

Still wondering what evidence could have possibly made the police say this (reminded of this by Copper's above post):

(CBS/AP) EVANSDALE, Iowa - Investigators say they have evidence that leads them to believe two Iowa cousins who vanished last week are still alive.

FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said Saturday that authorities strongly believe 10-year-old Lyric Cook-Morrissey and 8-year-old Elizabeth Collins have not been killed.

"We believe," Breault said, "these girls are alive and we are not discouraged by the passage of time since their disappearance."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...orities-believe-missing-iowa-girls-are-alive/

I wondered before if maybe they had just used a poor choice of words and meant to say that they are not going to lose hope they could be alive, but the parts I bolded seem to indicate they definitely are aware of some things we are not (which others have pointed out as well). Still wondering what it could be though that is solid enough for them to make these bold statements, but still not able to locate the girls, charge someone, or even name their person of interest.

To me that says, we know who took the girls, and we believe that whoever took the girls will not be likely to harm them, we just don't know where they are.

 

[MissouriGirl]

To me that says, we know who took the girls, and we believe that whoever took the girls will not be likely to harm them, we just don't know where they are.

I wonder what motive someone might have to want to take them for an entire month at this point, but also not want to harm them if that's the case.

I strongly feel that the purse left on the ground indicates the girls didn't leave voluntarily. So the girls didn't want to go, the abductors don't want to hurt them (in this scenario)... so then what could possibly be going on I wonder.

 

[sreshowtime]

Could a distant, unspoken about family member/acquaintance have them? Like someone who has some vendetta/hate against the maternal side for some reason or some ah, mental issue going on? I say maternal, as that is the commonality.

Like , umm, you took my ___, well now I will take your___,see how you like that.

 

[cindersoot]

Well, they have picked up a guy they have been chasing in Evansdale according to their news.
http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/ne...cle_33db6a9e-e0bf-11e1-a74c-0019bb2963f4.html

He is 18 yrs old and ran away from a bad environment, not someone of interest here.

 

[MotherOcean]

I have been following the case of missing Indiana student Lauren Spierer because she grew up not far from me. What has amazed and scared me the most is that they have found a dozen skeletal remains within 100 miles of her disappearance! Who are all of these people? How did they end up as skeletal remains in the woods? If there are that many there, how many other areas of the country are littered with pieces of beautiful people whose families lost them?

My father in law is very good friends with the head of our sheriff's department. He has told my FIL, on many occassions, that there are groups who meet in the deep woods for different immoral reasons and that it is known among LE that people are sometimes murdered at these meetings and dumped in different wooded places in our county. There is NOTHING about these strange get-togethers on the local news but I believe the sheriff. He is a good man who sees a lot more crime than the typical person in the community ever knows anything about.

I haven't seen anyone here say anything about the fact that the girls were taken on Friday the 13th. I haven't brought it up because the last time I brought up (on another case) that Satanism is a religion I was highly scolded and basically told I have a mental illness. Satanism is real whether we want to believe it or not. Lots more I could say about this but ... in short, Friday the 13th is one of the "holiest" days on the Satanic calendar. Abduction is the main way that Satanists get their victims. We may not want to even entertain the horrible thought but I guarantee you that the FBI knows some of the wicked things that occur on that day.

 

[Beyond Belief]

He is 18 yrs old and ran away from a bad environment, not someone of interest here.

Please explain your bad environment information, the article says he failed to return to a correction facility and was captured.
The news was not shared to insert him into the current case. BB

 

[Gracelin]

He is 18 yrs old and ran away from a bad environment, not someone of interest here.

Everyone is a person of interest..MOO

 

[brighidin]

To me that says, we know who took the girls, and we believe that whoever took the girls will not be likely to harm them, we just don't know where they are.

I interpret it as: We haven't found any evidence that they are dead. We don't want reporters calling us every 20 minutes so we are going to tell you that the passage of time won't change our mind. I guess the media around there got the hint, because I haven't seen any evidence of LE being pressed for more info. I would love it if someone proved me wrong though!

I wonder what motive someone might have to want to take them for an entire month at this point, but also not want to harm them if that's the case.

I strongly feel that the purse left on the ground indicates the girls didn't leave voluntarily. So the girls didn't want to go, the abductors don't want to hurt them (in this scenario)... so then what could possibly be going on I wonder.

I can't think of any reason why someone(s) would disappear two girls other than to rape and/or murder them. I don't want to be harsh and I hope I am wrong. I'm sure there are instances of other scenarios, but I can't think of any.

Good people who want to help or don't approve of a situation don't just steal other people's children. They just don't.

 

[MissouriGirl]

I can't think of any reason why someone(s) would disappear two girls other than to rape and/or murder them. I don't want to be harsh and I hope I am wrong. I'm sure there are instances of other scenarios, but I can't think of any.

Good people who want to help or don't approve of a situation don't just steal other people's children. They just don't.

It does seem unlikely that it was a person who wanted to help the girls or had good intentions.

 

[brighidin]

It does seem unlikely that it was a person who wanted to help the girls or had good intentions.

I was agreeing with you... I just kind of went off on a tangent. Sorry.:blushing:

 

[MissouriGirl]

I wonder what motive someone might have to want to take them for an entire month at this point, but also not want to harm them if that's the case.

I strongly feel that the purse left on the ground indicates the girls didn't leave voluntarily. So the girls didn't want to go, the abductors don't want to hurt them (in this scenario)... so then what could possibly be going on I wonder.

Sorry to quote myself on this, this might be far fetched, but I guess if we're following the logic that someone might want to take them but not harm them, could a possible motive in that scenario be the eventual reward money?