IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

[GrainneDhu]

Four weeks ago today---Lizzie and Lyric, where are you?

I have had a creepy feeling about the alley behind the stores, and a hidden, but known-to-some-area near the lake, (that we now know as Maiden Lane), since the girls disappeared. Why am I feeling this? Can there be a connection?

I'm not being snarky here, I'm honestly confused.

There is no alley per se behind the stores where the video was shot. The street that the girls were caught on video bicycling down is the street Elizabeth lives on. The area with the sheds, etc, seen in the video is in full view of the houses on Brovan.

The house Elizabeth lives in was just barely outside the frame of the video.

The stores are more or less a strip mall set in the middle of the block. The area in front of the stores is used for parking; the area in back of the stores is used for deliveries and storage.

Anything that happens in back of the stores is more or less in full view of several houses.

So are you saying you feel there is something about Elizabeth's neighbourhood that is sketchy? Or is it something about that particular day?

 

[hollyblue]

I think it was MNDad that posted the picture a couple of days ago and said that it was from July 14, which was before the lake was drained. Here's a picture of the police with a dog ... also on the lakeside of the fence:

:what: Hey Otto, I have a pair of magnifier glasses if you want to borrow them. That's just the shadows among the shoreline. :floorlaugh:

 

[Sailorsgirl]

I've never been a little girl, so I don't know. And it seems like a thousand centuries since I was 10 years old. Anyone have a guess, if the girls were trapped, would the leech infested water been an option for escape? From the before and after pictures, it doesn't look the bottom of the lake drops off drastically. Would wading into the water be an option?

I'm not suggesting that's what happened. But since it probably didn't happen, that might eliminate some scenarios, if the girls were willing to go into the water.

I WAS a little girl once. I am pretty certain that even if a perp had a knife or gun, I would have screamed, peed my pants and started crying. However, I don't think I would have tried to escape. I would have been too scared even if there was only one perp and even if I was there with my cousin.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Very interesting ... seems they used the dogs on that side of the lake. I wonder if they tracked anything. The only thing I've ever read/seen was that the dogs tracked from the location of the bikes down the trail to where the fence ends.

The dogs that specifically tracked Elizabeth and Lyric's scents were Bloodhounds.

The dog in the photo looks like it's probably a solid black or bicolour German Shepherd.

I do know that they deployed cadaver dogs during the initial search before the FBI dogs arrived.

 

[JaimeInLA]

:what: Hey Otto, I have a pair of magnifier glasses if you want to borrow them. That's just the shadows among the shoreline. :floorlaugh:

Thank you! I didn't want to be the only one to say, "um, that's not a dog." I think it's a log. (They rhyme, but don't look that similar. LOL!)

 

[SouthernMom]

Wow, they sure did. I found the link on twitter.

KCRG ‏@KCRG
Authorities continue to ask for tips in #evansdalesearch: http://bit.ly/QmmkLX (says 3 hours ago)

The article has since been updated, 5 hours later.

Story Created: Aug 10, 2012 at 12:18 PM CDT

Story Updated: Aug 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM CDT

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/The-Search-for-Elizabeth--Lyric-Four-Weeks-Later-165745756.html

eta, it did say what I posted. That's why I posted it.

I read the link earlier and saw that sentence also. I thought it was interesting. Strange that it is gone now.

 

[hollyblue]

I think those are gloves ... in case the dog finds something and he needs to pick it up.

:floorlaugh: Your killlin' me.

 

[Dr. Know?]

hmm, I just posted. Where did it go?

Vigil held for missing cousins

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“We also encourage anyone who may have had a minor or perhaps unintentional part at the time in the disappearance of the girls to contact investigators through the local tip lines or their local police department,” Smock stated. “We encourage anyone who may have knowledge of the girl's whereabouts, regardless of their involvement, to contact investigators through the tip lines, so we may talk with them.”

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_55aa40a6-e35c-11e1-84f6-001a4bcf887a.html

don't worry I have a copy of it...it changed a little it appears even from my poofed post.

 

[nursebeeme]

The dogs that specifically tracked Elizabeth and Lyric's scents were Bloodhounds.

The dog in the photo looks like it's probably a solid black or bicolour German Shepherd.

I do know that they deployed cadaver dogs during the initial search before the FBI dogs arrived.

are you referring to the fbi dogs? I have never seen their exact types described before.. only what the family was saying.. although the fbi spokesperson said that any info about the dogs and what they found could not be put out in the media

 

[otto]

:what: Hey Otto, I have a pair of magnifier glasses if you want to borrow them. That's just the shadows among the shoreline. :floorlaugh:

I thought that was a German Shepherd dog ... but perhaps I'm seeing things.

 

[JaimeInLA]

:floorlaugh: Your killlin' me.

Those gloves are for picking up log poop. :floorlaugh:

 

[MNDad]

How about this for a theory ... two girls leave home and want to ride to the lake, but they're not allowed. Therefore, they ride their bikes west from the house (that keeps grandma happy), turn left and head for the lake using the backroads, thinking that they can make the loop and be back before grandma notices. They get to the trail near the gate, someone steps through the gate and stops them. They're forced through the gate, Elizabeth's purse is put on the ground, they're forced into the Maiden Lane area (100 feet along the shore) and they're gone.

There are no teenagers, no boats ... just two girls, two bikes, a purse, a trail, a gate and that's it.

Same exact theory I have posted several times, so I am right with you on this. Simplest explanation is probably the right one.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Just wondering, are they the front yards, or back yards, of the homes that face that street-alley-loading zone? I wonder if there is an area along that street that security cameras do not cover? Could the girls have been grabbed along that street and not been on camera?

Front yards, I believe.

According to Ollipop, there is only one camera on the back of the Lederman's and Cornbelt Auctions stores. He didn't say anything about other cameras but I tend to think there probably are not any other cameras because otherwise, I think the footage would have been aired as well.

Or maybe not. Maybe LE just released the best footage they had and the other footage was even worse (grainier, even less in focus, etc).

I think it's possible that the girls could have been grabbed on that street. Abductions that involve just grabbing humans can be incredibly fast.

However, an abduction that included taking both bicycles would take longer. And to me, it doesn't make any sense to stage the bikes by the lake; I think if the abductor wanted to cover their own tracks, they would have dropped the bicycles into the lake.

 

[Sailorsgirl]

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However, an abduction that included taking both bicycles would take longer. And to me, it doesn't make any sense to stage the bikes by the lake; I think if the abductor wanted to cover their own tracks, they would have dropped the bicycles into the lake.

I think they would have just left them where they abducted the girls since that would be the easiest thing to do ... or dump them on the side of the road miles from the area.

 

[MNDad]

That's pretty much what I think happened ... but I don't think they were brought to the shoreline. I think they followed the path to where the fence ends.

I'm with Otto on this. I suspect that perp could have grabbed Lizzy by the wrist while pulling her along and she dropped the purse and perp didn't even notice which is why it is on lake side of fence in weeds.

 

[Sailorsgirl]

I'm with Otto on this. I suspect that perp could have grabbed Lizzy by the wrist while pulling her along and she dropped the purse and perp didn't even notice which is why it is on lake side of fence in weeds.

After seeing the photo of how low the lake is, I can see this happening. I had assumed the shore was rocky and overgrown and there wasn't really an area on which to walk. Seeing that photo was very helpful.

 

[GrainneDhu]

are you referring to the fbi dogs? I have never seen their exact types described before.. only what the family was saying.. although the fbi spokesperson said that any info about the dogs and what they found could not be put out in the media

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_9b33f71a-dd95-11e1-86a6-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[otto]

I'm with Otto on this. I suspect that perp could have grabbed Lizzy by the wrist while pulling her along and she dropped the purse and perp didn't even notice which is why it is on lake side of fence in weeds.

Same exact theory I have posted several times, so I am right with you on this. Simplest explanation is probably the right one.

This background image is from the planning maps that you linked the other day ... it's the clearest image I've found of the shoreline of Meyers Lake.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I thought that was a German Shepherd dog ... but perhaps I'm seeing things.

Looks like one to me; I thought I saw an upstanding triangular ear to the left of the black shape.

And I happen to know that as of a couple years ago, Black Hawk Sheriff's Department had a bicolour GSD.

 

[MNDad]

Otto, I can't remember if you're from the area or not, but from what Ollipop said it appears the shoreline is very rocky and might be hard to navigate with two girls. Please correct me if I'm wrong though. Also, I'm still trying to figure out the deal with the scent dogs.

Not trying to be snarky in any way, but I have heard this a few times and I just want to point out that the criteria that we use to determine the path to take and whether it makes sense for us to walk around so we dont get our nice shoes dirty, may not be the same criteria the perp would use. Or kids playing for that matter. I walk around puddles in the driveway, my kids don't always.