IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #17

[tlcya]

Marked sheriff’s office squad cars pulled up with two nondescript passenger cars in tow. Uniformed deputies took up positions around the house. Plainclothes detectives and FBI agents knocked at the door.

They talked with the resident and checked in an old camping trailer in the backyard.

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Police questioned a man driving a white Chevy Astro van in Evansdale the day the girls vanished, but there was no connection.

“We’re looking at everything. There’s nothing concrete,” Smock said.

Anyone recently arrested for sexual abuse or enticement of a minor is also being looked at, Smock said. All family members were investigated as well.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_d5ff400c-ec59-11e1-a2bd-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[threecrazykids]

I cannot imagine contemplating suicide if there was a chance my child was alive and could come home. No way!

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I can't imagine it either, but I am not her. That's why I said I hope she hasn't either come to her own self conclusion they aren't coming home...or has possibly given up all hope of a good outcome with this.

 

[Jules71]

Marked sheriff’s office squad cars pulled up with two nondescript passenger cars in tow. Uniformed deputies took up positions around the house. Plainclothes detectives and FBI agents knocked at the door.

They talked with the resident and checked in an old camping trailer in the backyard.

snip

Police questioned a man driving a white Chevy Astro van in Evansdale the day the girls vanished, but there was no connection.

“We’re looking at everything. There’s nothing concrete,” Smock said.

Anyone recently arrested for sexual abuse or enticement of a minor is also being looked at, Smock said. All family members were investigated as well.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_d5ff400c-ec59-11e1-a2bd-0019bb2963f4.html

Well we know someone was recently arrested for enticement of a 12 year old minor. Good to know they are looking at it in connection with the missing girls. I really wonder what led them to that creep? Was it a result of digging in to Lyric's possible online activity?

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[gregjrichards]

I'm very sorry to hear Lyric's mom was hospitalised I cannot imagine the agony she and the families of both children are feeling. I hope the family are able to get the psychological help they may need to help them cope with the trauma they are experiencing. Here is an article it may have already been posted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...irl-Lyric-Cook-hospitalised-unresponsive.html

I'm praying, checking on here and online everyday for news I hope there is a break in the case soon.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Probably. She has to want it first. jmo

Only the person can want to be better. Family & society can direct her to the correct route, it happens sometimes. jmo

This is very true. I am married to an alcoholic, 19 years sober, who went to rehab once and never relapsed.

When I asked him why he thought he was able to get sober with, according to him, less effort than he imagined it would take, he said "Because I was sick of being sick and I wasn't doing it because someone said I had to."

He said that waking up each morning and not vomiting was most of the motivation he needed to never take another drink.

I know it's different with everyone, but for him, the time was right and the decision was his.

 

[foxbluff]

Wondering if anyone was seriously concerned about this smell, something to keep in mind in some cases..
http://www.cbs2iowa.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.ia/3648ca30-www.kgan.com.shtml

"The Des Moines Register says (http://dmreg.co/NEVTq4 ) the stench was traced to an animal rendering plant less than a mile southeast of the downtown. City officials say they received 14 calls Monday night, enough to trigger the city's first odor inspection in 10 years.

Bruce Gerleman, who owns a downtown seafood restaurant, describes the odor as a "putrid, dead animal smell."

Yeah...another new article! This one is dated today. Looks like things are starting to pick up on this brd.

If I understood your comment correctly, then I want to add that it's been my understanding over the years that cadaver dogs can tell the difference between "animal" and human remains. (I am not saying that cadaver dogs have been brought into the search for our two little girls.)

 

[Confusion]

ETA: I wish they gave a date rather than saying a recent Wednesday or whatever....

SBM
It does, more or less. It says on Wednesday entering into the 3rd week. That sounds like August 1, but I could be wrong.

 

[Jax49]

Well we know someone was recently arrested for enticement of a 12 year old minor. Good to know they are looking at it in connection with the missing girls. I really wonder what led them to that creep? Was it a result of digging in to Lyric's possible online activity?

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According to this article the contact was with a 12 year old.

http://www.cbs2iowa.com/shared/news...ged-soliciting-minor-online-12315.shtml?wap=0


WATERLOO (CBS 2/FOX 28) - 24 year old Justin Lloyd Bunker of Central City man was arrested Wednesday for soliciting a minor to have sex with him via the internet.
Waterloo polic says they received a tip from the Internet Crimes Against Children Cybertipline, which said inappropriate content had been found on a social media site

 

[LaylaD]

Thanks for this article, HeavenLeigh! Lots of info here that's new to me.
BBFox -


as to the UBM portion of your post I took that to mean accompanied by two passenger cars not that two nondescript passenger cars were towed there and delivered but rather that two unmarked/nondescript vehicles which may or may not have been unmarked LE cars accompanied the squad cars on this visit to the location.

That is how I took it anyhow, I could be very wrong but I do not thing the cars were being returned to the occupant as speculated in your post.

I also took it to mean that two additional (unmarked LE) vehicles were driven there. Poor word choice on the part of the reporter.

 

[foxbluff]

Thanks for this article, HeavenLeigh! Lots of info here that's new to me.
BBFox -


as to the UBM portion of your post I took that to mean accompanied by two passenger cars not that two nondescript passenger cars were towed there and delivered but rather that two unmarked/nondescript vehicles which may or may not have been unmarked LE cars accompanied the squad cars on this visit to the location.

That is how I took it anyhow, I could be very wrong but I do not thing the cars were being returned to the occupant as speculated in your post.

OMG, I really am an idiot! I'm sure you're right about the kind of "tow" that was meant. And, let's admit, if/when IA PD have to return cars to their owners, they'll almost certainly returned via tow truck. <where's that icon for a blushing fox when I need it>

 

[palaminodee]

Slightly OT:
MS man meets 16yr old girl from England and meets up w/ her on FL family vacation..met online! Omegle &#8211; a site that brandishes the words &#8220;Talk to strangers!&#8221; on its homepage BBM encourages talking to strangers!
http://www.theledger.com/article/20120822/NEWS/120829826?p=1&tc=pg

 

[MotherOcean]

What evidence is there going to be? It's not like it's a crime scene where someone was shot or stabbed right there... a perp is not going to leave much, if any trace evidence by snatching two girls off their bikes. He may not have even touched the bikes, for that matter.
As for not naming a POI, that doesn't mean they don't have one, or even several. They are usually pretty careful about not making that public until they're pretty sure they know who it is, for liability issues. Sometimes we never know until an arrest makes the news. Not naming anyone means nothing, IMO.

I've never followed the case of a missing person when a suspect was named before an arrest. I've been thinking about that and wondering if that ever happens.

 

[LaylaD]

your link was no longer a good one so I tracked down your referenced story to provide a usable one. http://www.kwwl.com/story/19127066/update-uncle-of-missing-girls-hospitalized I think when they updated the story it changed the URL)

The entire article contains no direct quotes so could be reporter's viewpoint or impression based on comments by Wylma or, more likely, as with several family members I can think of, Wylma is regretting how very forthcoming she and others have been with the press and is now back pedaling on some of her statements regarding this incident.

Hindsight.

This article was updated just yesterday, 8/21/20, almost a full month from when the original article was posted on 7/26/12. It's interesting that KWWL just updated an original article as opposed to publishing a correction.

Totally unrelated, J Jarvis, the author of the article update, wrote this about herself in her bio on the KWWL website: "The world wide web is just another way for me to share what I find.... the only limit online is my imagination." I doubt that is what she really meant to say.

 

[cindersoot]

Wondering if anyone was seriously concerned about this smell, something to keep in mind in some cases..
http://www.cbs2iowa.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.ia/3648ca30-www.kgan.com.shtml

"The Des Moines Register says (http://dmreg.co/NEVTq4 ) the stench was traced to an animal rendering plant less than a mile southeast of the downtown. City officials say they received 14 calls Monday night, enough to trigger the city's first odor inspection in 10 years.

Bruce Gerleman, who owns a downtown seafood restaurant, describes the odor as a "putrid, dead animal smell."

The article CLEARLY says its from an animal rendering plant.

 

[cindersoot]

I'm going to ask this once again. Would the dogs detect the girls scent if the girls weren't at the lake but the perp (who has the smell of the girls on him from grabbing,or carrying them) be detected by the dogs? If the perp did stage the bikes.

 

[ShyViolet]

This is very true. I am married to an alcoholic, 19 years sober, who went to rehab once and never relapsed.

When I asked him why he thought he was able to get sober with, according to him, less effort than he imagined it would take, he said "Because I was sick of being sick and I wasn't doing it because someone said I had to."

He said that waking up each morning and not vomiting was most of the motivation he needed to never take another drink.

I know it's different with everyone, but for him, the time was right and the decision was his.

The beauty part of addiction is that it is one disease where the person can choose to recover. Or stay sick. But we do make the choice.
ETA Congrats to your husband!

 

[dotr]

http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Elk-Run-Heights-Iowa.html
Registered sex offenders in Elk Run Heights, Iowa

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Elk-Run-Heights-Iowa.html#ixzz24Io6DTXu

 

[palaminodee]

very helpful video from local Edale person
Evansdale bike trail - YouTube

 

[GrainneDhu]

Here is Evansdale Police Chief Smock's clarification:

'He also clarified FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault’s July 21 statement that “We believe the girls are alive.” Smock said investigators have no information to prove or disprove they are alive.'

Does anyone get the feeling that the FBI and local LE might not be seeing eye-to-eye on this investigation? I find it odd that local LE is clarifying a statement made by FBI. JMO.

There's a reason why other police agency sometimes refers to the FBI as "the Feebs."

What the FBI really excels at is taking a piece of forensic evidence and investigating the heck out of it. In a case with precious little or no forensic evidence, they are not playing to their strengths.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Also from the new article:

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_d5ff400c-ec59-11e1-a2bd-0019bb2963f4.html

Cook said the disappearance is hard on the entire family, including hurtful misinformation being spread about some members. On Tuesday, Cook said reports that her son, Jeremiah, attempted suicide or overdosed in late July weren’t true. He was hospitalized for a heart problem, a blocked artery that required a stent, she said.

My heart aches for this family and for Wylma Cook in particular. With Heather's history of nearly dying from cardiac problems, this must have been terrifying for them.