IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #23

[Mjskit]

I'm so sorry to hear that re your mum, how awful for a little girl.

As a totally irrelevant aside, I have always been mistaken for younger. I am nearly 50 and a new acquaintance told me she genuinely thought I was in my 20s.

:what:

My own mother, nearly 80, often gets callers on the phone who ask to speak to her mother because they assume she's a little girl.

:lol:

Age can be deceptive, by my point is, a pedo after a tiny 8 year old is not going to be excited by a 145lb 10 year old, in my opinion. Certainly not tempted enough to drag her kicking and screaming, into a vehicle in a public park, then going back a second time to get the one he really wants.

:moo:

I agree. However, if the SO wanted Lyric it would have been easy to take Elizabeth because of her size?

Thank you for the comment about my childhood. I have learned many things the hard way. I thank God every day for my children and foster children. I know where they are, who they are with , etc. And they all hear the words 'I love you' at least once a day (usually more). I will never treat anyone the way I was treated. All of them know they are loved unconditionally.

No sympathy is needed for me. Life has made me strong.

 

[BunnyHop]

http://www.kwwl.com/category/130142...d=8060551&topVideoCatNo=132414&autoStart=true

Here's the video.

Thanks a million!
I've been lurking............
Just watched the whole video.
For now, I have one question:

Sister in Minnesota?

MOO :moo:

:lurk::takeabow::lurk:

 

[chelsea6]

I'm so sorry to hear that re your mum, how awful for a little girl.

As a totally irrelevant aside, I have always been mistaken for younger. I am nearly 50 and a new acquaintance told me she genuinely thought I was in my 20s.

:what:

My own mother, nearly 80, often gets callers on the phone who ask to speak to her mother because they assume she's a little girl.

:lol:

Age can be deceptive, by my point is, a pedo after a tiny 8 year old is not going to be excited by a 145lb 10 year old, in my opinion. Certainly not tempted enough to drag her kicking and screaming, into a vehicle in a public park, then going back a second time to get the one he really wants.

:moo:

I've been that 145lb. 10year old girl getting molested by someone also after a tinier girl. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[nikb]

Ehh... some people see Lyric as a child.
Others see her as more of a young woman.

Her life was cut too soon as well as Lizzie's... I think everyone agrees with that!

I see Lyric as kinda in between, which scares me as she could even be "desirable" to a number of different types of pedos.

And YES both of their lives were cut too short. Way too short.

 

[gngr~snap]

I've been that 145lb. 10year old girl getting molested by someone also after a tinier girl. You don't know what you are talking about.

:what: Oh My! I am so sorry! :truce:

Bless you!

 

[iamnotagolem]

Predators almost always take one child, which fits their fantasy. They have no use for a child that gets "too old" or adult sized.

I know Americans tend to be larger than say, Europeans, but 145lb is about what I weigh, and I'm no lightweight...in fact I need to lose 20lb and I'm 5'5.

RSBM


thank you for clarifying your point, I just wasn't sure what you were getting at with the size discussion.

I agree 100% with you, that a pedophile wouldn't target both of these girls, based on their size discrepency alone. It just doesn't fit.

I could be wrong, but I remember pictures of Lyric and it looked like she was starting to develop breasts. This would not fit with a pedophile, IMO. Eta : to clarify, I would think if Elizabeth was the pedos target, then a developing child wouldn't be in his preferred victim profile. IMO, JMO

 

[Marilynilpa]

Thanks button so wasn't enough. THANK YOU!!!

(whoever makes Kleenex thanks you too... )

Did you lose it completely when Drew was asked if he would ever go back into Lizzie's room? Because that just tore me apart.

 

[threecrazykids]

Know one knows, there's been no arrest.

What there is, however, is a lynch mob on FB who have identified some RSO and pinned it all on him, simply because he happens to have lived in Evansdale, as far as I can see.

Completely ignoring the fact that as an RSO, he would have been one of the first investigated by LE.

Also ignoring the fact that by the mug shot, the man in question is drug addled and of borderline IQ, and probably struggles to tie his own shoelaces, so is highly unlikely to be the mastermind of such a seamless double abduction and murder.

As someone else on this thread said, it's the sex offenders who haven't been registered that we have to worry about in this case.

In my opinion, anyway.

We still do not know the autopsy results so the speculation it is a sex related crime is just that, speculation.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
You crack me up...your KISS theory is never far from my mind when you describe convicted criminals.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Thanks a million!
I've been lurking............
Just watched the whole video.
For now, I have one question:

Sister in Minnesota?

MOO :moo:

:lurk::takeabow::lurk:

Heather is one of seven children, she is next to the youngest and Misty is the youngest.

ETA: I was incorrect, there is one younger brother.

 

[threecrazykids]

I had missed this in the threads...in video linked below, Heather & Drew were shown Elizabeth's shoes and Lyric's flip-flops:

http://www.kwwl.com/category/130142...d=8060551&topVideoCatNo=132414&autoStart=true

Ok, I've only watched about 30 seconds of the interview but does anyone else find it kind of strange that Drew rec'd a call from his PASTOR to round up all of the family members and to report to city hall?

Why wouldn't that call have been made from LE directly to the parents? I understand their faith and all, but I'm not sure that a call from LE to the pastor to notify the parents to come in is really a common police procedure.

Nothing more than IMO a bit strange...back to watching the rest of the interview.:waitasec:

 

[24Roses]

Heather is one of seven children, she is next to the youngest and Misty is the youngest.

I think Heather said in the interview, she is the 6th child & Misty is the 7th. I think there is a brother that is the youngest. He may have been mentioned before.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I know that it will be very tempting to tear apart and analyze every word of Heather and Drew's interview. But, believe it or not, for once I am not going to take part in that in-depth, armchair analysis.

Seeing Heather and Drew in this interview really made me realize, more than ever, what they have been through and continue to go through. They spoke from their hearts, and I just don't feel like trying to read between the lines over every comment they made.

Regarding negative comments about Heather's relationship with Misty - I think they are very out of line, who can put themselves in her shoes and say how she should act?

And yes, she has very strong religious beliefs, and maybe they seem extreme to some, but if those beliefs enable her to deal with a parent's worst nightmare, I say more power to her. JMO

 

[GrainneDhu]

That is sad, isn't it. Wonder if deep down she blames her sister for all of this. I just don't get it how she can forgive the killer but not her own sister - when her sister is hurting just as much

I think it is more likely that they are two sisters who grew up together and have a history of stomping on each other's buttons, probably inadvertently. They are such different people and I can understand reasons for being annoyed on both sides.

Right now, the killer is more of a theoretical person. A person who did something horrible but who doesn't have a face or a name or a history of making you look like a jerk in front of the whole school when you were in elementary school.

I don't know if I'm explaining this clearly.

Forgiveness is a process rather than an instantaneous thing. I strongly suspect that when this killer has a name and a face, the Collinses will have to work all over again on forgiving him.

The problem with forgiving one's sister is that she (usually) doesn't see that she's wrong and she keeps doing or saying the wrong thing. And, most infuriating, she thinks the same of her own sister!

So at this point, it's easier to be angry with MCM and not forgive her.

Sibling relationships are often complicated, with long histories that no one else remembers. At least not in the same living detail the siblings remember.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I think Heather said in the interview, she is the 6th child & Misty is the 7th. I think there is a brother that is the youngest. He may have been mentioned before.

You may be right, I think I did misinterpret that.

 

[otto]

"Elizabeth passed away on Friday, July 13, 2012; she was 8 years old."

http://wcfcourier.com/lifestyles/an...cle_2d8c30ea-4471-11e2-92d2-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[TeenyTaurus]

I think it is more likely that they are two sisters who grew up together and have a history of stomping on each other's buttons, probably inadvertently. They are such different people and I can understand reasons for being annoyed on both sides.

Right now, the killer is more of a theoretical person. A person who did something horrible but who doesn't have a face or a name or a history of making you look like a jerk in front of the whole school when you were in elementary school.

I don't know if I'm explaining this clearly.

Forgiveness is a process rather than an instantaneous thing. I strongly suspect that when this killer has a name and a face, the Collinses will have to work all over again on forgiving him.

The problem with forgiving one's sister is that she (usually) doesn't see that she's wrong and she keeps doing or saying the wrong thing. And, most infuriating, she thinks the same of her own sister!

So at this point, it's easier to be angry with MCM and not forgive her.

Sibling relationships are often complicated, with long histories that no one else remembers. At least not in the same living detail the siblings remember.

I could not agree with you more here! And yes, at least to me, you made it quite clear and understandable.
Not only is forgiveness a process, so is grief, overall. "Closure" is often an overused word, as well.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I could not agree with you more here! And yes, at least to me, you made it quite clear and understandable.
Not only is forgiveness a process, so is grief, overall. "Closure" is often an overused word, as well.

BBM

Closure is very overused, IMO. In my experience there is no closure. You just begin on a road to rebuilding your life, and hope that you succeed.

I have never felt "closure", just gradual acceptance.

 

[GrainneDhu]

To put his statement in context, the interviewer described the area at Meyers Lake where the bikes were found, the fence, etc. I can't recall the exact question he asked, but it was something along the lines of "given the location and the fact that there were two girls, do you think the girls knew their abductor?" That's when Drew said it was likely, but that he didn't know.

And also, please keep in mind that I didn't write anything down, word for word, that was said. So before getting too excited about this, maybe we should wait for a transcript and read everything in context. JMO

I'm watching the interview and reading WS in the buffering phases (I don't have broadband). I just watched that part and you're basically correct. Drew said "it would seem likely they knew the person" but that was after a whole scenario had been specified. The interviewer included the fact that the parking area was on the other side of the lake and something about how it would seem it was someone the girls knew to get them to go all the way around the lake.

Drew was clearly not saying that he knows the girls knew the perp. He was very clear about saying he does not know at this time.

 

[Sere-nity]

The obit states that she passed away on July 13. Is it usual in abduction/body found scenarios that they state the date that the person went missing as the date of passing... or is this a tell?

 

[peeples]

FWIW...

The funeral home has Elizabeths date of Death as July 15th... don't know if it means anything or not...

http://www.overtonservice.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1867384&fh_id=14409